Celticsstrong 2021 Historical Draft - VOTES ARE IN

[Darth_Yoda]

I didn't have Jokic this high and thought he would be a perfect 5 alongside Giannis as a possible drop down the draft type player. Like maybe high 3rd round but I most likely would have taken him late in the 2nd round as I wouldn't have trusted Who not to grab him.

Judging by Yoda's reaction, he wouldn't have made it past #11. I had him as a surefire first rounder. Would have been perfectly happy with either Jokic or Stockton at #8. Both elite playmakers. Jokic is a more unique talent. If it were up to me, I would have probably opted for Stockton, mainly because it is easier to build a team around him. He simply had zero weaknesses. Can't say the same thing about any other player drafted in the 1st round.

I probably would have taken him at 11 if Jokic was still on the board honestly.

Pairing joker with floor spacing defenders could be a deadly offense.

I expected him to be there for me, had to completely redo my plans on a team.

[Darth_Yoda]

Put together a list finally.  Some really great players still around.  Everyone should have 3 very good players at least and then some nice quality depth after that.  Very difficult to really gauge what I want do around Malone and even more difficult to anticipate how this draft will go.  Just so many unique skill sets out there with the more flawed players at the top than we usually see in these.

I dont think I will end up with 3 "very good players" I need to try and round out the roster with the good players.

I have to wait 19 picks after my next one, I dont belive there will be very good players left at 30, but I have a plan, so will see I guess. Gonna be a really hard wait.

Smart thing is just to keep the thread closed after my pick tomorrow until about 30 mins before my 3rd pick on Wednesday so I dont go crazy.

I think you will end up pleasantly surprised.  There are plenty of HOFers left and plenty more that had HOF peaks (though didn't last long enough for various reasons to make the HOF).  There are definitely different tiers in that group, but still will be plenty of talent on the board at 30.

Yeah I got All-Stars on the board until rounds 9 or 10.

Even then there will be some still left around. It will just be a choice between them or a guy just below that level who may be more well rounded or a better fit.

It is basically an All-Star squad.

Yeah there are allstars the entirety of the draft. I guess I was thinking more franchise cornerstone type of guys like went in the first round.

Kobe, Malone(s) etc are Franchise guys. I see a few in the second round as well, but that is it.

[gouki88]

Maybe with just ten GMs we should have gone 2 rounds from the start. This went awfully fast

Yeah, I didn’t realise how quickly it would go with a) 10 GMs and b) all those GMs being so excited to get things underway.

I probably only kept it at 1 round to see how I’d handle it time wise, but we can bump it to two I spose, if need be

[Jvalin]

Maybe with just ten GMs we should have gone 2 rounds from the start. This went awfully fast

Yeah, I didn’t realise how quickly it would go with a) 10 GMs and b) all those GMs being so excited to get things underway.

I probably only kept it at 1 round to see how I’d handle it time wise, but we can bump it to two I spose, if need be

I like it this way too. We got more time for trades in between rounds.

No trades yet. I sent plenty of trade offers the last couple of days. Unfortunately, they were all rejected. Seems like most GMs have made up their mind and are happy to stay put.

[Moranis]

Maybe with just ten GMs we should have gone 2 rounds from the start. This went awfully fast

Yeah, I didn’t realise how quickly it would go with a) 10 GMs and b) all those GMs being so excited to get things underway.

I probably only kept it at 1 round to see how I’d handle it time wise, but we can bump it to two I spose, if need be

I like it this way too. There's more time for trades in between rounds this way.

No trades yet. I sent plenty of trade offers. Unfortunately, they were all rejected. Seems like most GMs have made up their mind and are happy to stay put.

Plus, it will take longer for picks the deeper you go.  First round, everyone has an idea of what they want to do and where players will go.  Even starting in round 2 a lot of that will be out the door as there are going to be more and more players that start making sense from a value standpoint.  You see this in a fantasy sports draft.  First round usually goes pretty quickly and then it progressively slows down as you get deeper until the last round or 2 when everyone takes their binkies (or kicker in the case of a fantasy football draft).

[RPGenerate]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

[Somebody]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

[gouki88]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

Yeah, so many different guys I’m looking at. Really interested in seeing who Darth Yoda pairs with Clyde, after ~24 hours to sit on it

[Somebody]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

Yeah, so many different guys I’m looking at. Really interested in seeing who Darth Yoda pairs with Clyde, after ~24 hours to sit on it

I might just go for fit tbh. I understand that some would prefer to stack a ton of on-ball talent together and claim that they have the "most talented" team, but on-ball skills don't scale well and defence matters in historical drafts like these.

[gouki88]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

Yeah, so many different guys I’m looking at. Really interested in seeing who Darth Yoda pairs with Clyde, after ~24 hours to sit on it

I might just go for fit tbh. I understand that some would prefer to stack a ton of on-ball talent together and claim that they have the "most talented" team, but on-ball skills don't scale well and defence matters in historical drafts like these.

Preaching to the Kobe Bryant-led choir!

[Somebody]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

Yeah, so many different guys I’m looking at. Really interested in seeing who Darth Yoda pairs with Clyde, after ~24 hours to sit on it

I might just go for fit tbh. I understand that some would prefer to stack a ton of on-ball talent together and claim that they have the "most talented" team, but on-ball skills don't scale well and defence matters in historical drafts like these.

Preaching to the Kobe Bryant-led choir!

Kobe actually had some pretty good off-ball skills , ntm his on-ball offence is good enough to carry most supporting casts to reasonably good offensive results overall.

[Somebody]

Btw what do you guys make of skilled players who can obviously shoot and developed a three point shot later on during their careers? Will you credit their earlier years as capable three point shooting campaigns or will you stick to what their slash line says? Would also want to know if you guys will make an adjustment for good pre-three point line shooters (eg. players who shoot well at the line and have a smooth jumpshot on tape from distance).

[gouki88]

Btw what do you guys make of skilled players who can obviously shoot and developed a three point shot later on during their careers? Will you credit their earlier years as capable three point shooting campaigns or will you stick to what their slash line says? Would also want to know if you guys will make an adjustment for good pre-three point line shooters (eg. players who shoot well at the line and have a smooth jumpshot on tape from distance).

I tend to be pretty lenient with my judgement of a player’s ability to shoot. The way they shot in a certain season definitely influences which season I choose, but if they’re obviously talented shooters I’m not going to penalise them for a wonky 3PT season. Say someone had Paul Pierce and for some reason had to choose 02-03 or 03-04. For whatever reason PP couldn’t hit the side of a barn from 3 in those seasons - we still know he could shoot it, as he shot 39% from 3 prior to those 2 years and 38% afterwards.

However, if it’s a streaky inconsistent shooter like a Shawn Marion (lights out one year, bricklayer the next), I think I’d weigh it more importantly.

I also trust an old-school player who could shoot to be able to shoot now. It’s why I had so much faith in Jerry Lucas when I had him on an old historic draft.

There’s my rambling 2 cents

[Darth_Yoda]

Looking forward to the next round tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are). Have no idea how guys are gonna be valued, so I hope my choice is still on the board by the time I pick.

I have no idea on who to pick - everyone left is at best an All-NBA level player imo unless you go with the players with really short or ancient peaks, and those lads have an air of uncertainty about them that makes me wary of selecting one of them with my second round pick.

Yeah, so many different guys I’m looking at. Really interested in seeing who Darth Yoda pairs with Clyde, after ~24 hours to sit on it

I have my guy, but whenever I think about it I doubt myself. Lol

[Darth_Yoda]

2 rounds today???