Way too early offseason predictions/suggestion.

[mr. dee]

- Hire Thibs as our defensive coordinator
- Bring experienced veterans who will guide and bark on the team if they are on a wrong track.
- Dump useless bench players like Semi for another vet.
- Consolidate draft picks to acquire an actual fill for a need.

[Banner18now!]

Biggest reason I'd like to see Hayward gone...He's mentally fragile.....if he's not feeling 100%, he's mediocre at best.

Exactly. I have never seen so many people defend a payer like Hayward it’s getting ridiculous. Always an excuse for his mediocre play. He has a good game every now and then but most of the time he plays passive and soft. Sorry I expect more from a max player I don’t get why some keep making excuses.

[Jvalin]

My plan A would be a blockbuster with Philly around Kemba and Simmons. I'd consider 3 different trade packages.

package #1

Kemba + pick(s) + non-core player(s)* for Simmons + filler (if necessary)

* non-core players = Theis, Kanter, Langford, G-Will, Timelord, Semi, Edwards

For instance


https://tradenba.com/trades/QYhiedMUW

C's lineup after the trade:

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

package #2

Kemba + Hayward for Simmons + Horford


https://tradenba.com/trades/VO5e6Kz1I

Obviously, Horford's contract sucks big time. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger.

C's lineup after the trade:

Smart - Brown - Tatum - Simmons - Horford


package #3

Kemba + Hayward for Simmons + Tobias


https://tradenba.com/trades/dCI3YfPZj

Likewise, Tobi's contract sucks big time. Not sure whether I'd pull the trigger.

C's lineup after the trade:

Smart - Brown - Tobi - Tatum - Simmons

[jambr380]

Yeah, you've posted that Kemba/Hayward for Simmons/Horford deal before. Your 1st deal is probably the best since a healthy Hayward is better than Horford, but I can understand balancing our line-up w/ Horford as the Center. No way we should bite on the Harris contract (although I don't hate him as a player).

Looking at the main components of the trade - if Philly is ready to commit to Embiid over Simmons - then Kemba would be enticing for them. They may also be interested in a player like Beal so maybe we would have to fight with WAS. People may not like Simmons, but being able to sign Kemba outright and then trade him for a young stud like Simmons would be crazy. Moving forward w/ our three 2-way All-Star wings as our core would be super-scary for other teams.

If this was any team other than Philly and if we hadn't just signed Kemba, then I would say it is at least a remote possibility. Maybe if both teams remain stagnant through next year it becomes a possibility.

[Jvalin]

Yeah, you've posted that Kemba/Hayward for Simmons/Horford deal before. Your 1st deal is probably the best since a healthy Hayward is better than Horford, but I can understand balancing our line-up w/ Horford as the Center. No way we should bite on the Harris contract (although I don't hate him as a player).

Looking at the main components of the trade - if Philly is ready to commit to Embiid over Simmons - then Kemba would be enticing for them. They may also be interested in a player like Beal so maybe we would have to fight with WAS. People may not like Simmons, but being able to sign Kemba outright and then trade him for a young stud like Simmons would be crazy. Moving forward w/ our three 2-way All-Star wings as our core would be super-scary for other teams.

If this was any team other than Philly and if we hadn't just signed Kemba, then I would say it is at least a remote possibility. Maybe if both teams remain stagnant through next year it becomes a possibility.

Yeah, I wouldn't do the Tobi deal either. It was a stupid idea on my part. The tax bill would explode through the roof in 2022.

I'm on the fence about the Horford deal. I came across this idea here on CelticsStrong. Gun to my head, I wouldn't do it either.

I'd definitely do the first deal.

Smart - Brown - Hayward - Tatum - Simmons

The C's are already one of the best defensive teams around the league. Imagine swapping Kemba with Smart and Theis with Simmons. Both Smart and Simmons were selected in the All-Defensive 1st team this season. Given that Smart operates as a wing on D, we'd have 5 switchable wings in our starting lineup. The C's would be hands down the best defensive team in the NBA.

[Uncle_Stingfinger]

kemba is not getting you simmons.

[droopdog7]

Not sure if there is any way to make the numbers work but a trade for the fences trade is brown for Beal. 

[Somebody]

Not sure if there is any way to make the numbers work but a trade for the fences trade is brown for Beal.

Those fences are ones that bar us from the treadmill of mediocrity so I'll pass on that trade

[keevsnick]

Not sure if there is any way to make the numbers work but a trade for the fences trade is brown for Beal.

I'd rather just have Brown given age, contract, and ability to guard almost anyone defensively. Beal doesn't make sense on a team with Kemba at all so we'd have to find a secondary move for him as well only 1 year after signing him.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Not sure if there is any way to make the numbers work but a trade for the fences trade is brown for Beal.

We should be fine with Jaylen Brown. Scoring is not our issue.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

A question to everyone.

Would we be better or worse with, say, Kevin Love?

[Jvalin]

A question to everyone.

Would we be better or worse with, say, Kevin Love?

Wouldn't want him on the C's. His contract sucks, plus he's a defensive liability.

The most realistic trade salary-wise would be around Hayward. I'd much rather have Hayward.

If we trade with the Cavs, I'd be interested in Osman. He's a poor man's Hayward on a team-friendly contract till 2024.

[Atzar]

A question to everyone.

Would we be better or worse with, say, Kevin Love?

Who are we giving up for him?  Hayward?  If so, worse... possibly much worse.

Kevin Love was a mediocre defender at best in his prime.  Now he's 32.  He can't guard anybody.  And on offense, he's quickly reaching the twilight years where he's mostly just a jumpshooter (career high in threes attempted this year, career low in free throws per game). 

Let the Cavs keep him.  I agree with the idea that we need an upgrade at C, but Love isn't the solution to our problems there.

[jambr380]

Not sure if there is any way to make the numbers work but a trade for the fences trade is brown for Beal.

We should be fine with Jaylen Brown. Scoring is not our issue.

Yeah, I have no interest in trading Brown. Other than his game 4 stinker in the TOR series, he was about as consistent as they come in the playoffs. Plays with great energy, can stick the 3, and just seems to have a really good head on his shoulders. Brown came out in the 4th last night ready to take the game over - unfortunately, the rest of the team was already packing their bags.

I'd only consider trading Jaylen if we were getting back like Giannis, Luka, maybe Bam, a re-signed AD, maybe KAT. He just brings too much to the table and can be a feature of our offense, but is also okay taking a back seat. He is also signed long-term for a reasonable amount. Teams just don't trade guys like Jaylen, and for good reason.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Run it back.  Stanley Cup or bust.