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Re: Way too early offseason predictions/suggestion.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2020, 10:54:39 PM »

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I’m fully off the Hayward train but I unfortunately think we’ll keep him. Best move would be Hayward opts in and we try and make a trade involving Myles Turner and salary (maybe Doug McDermott).

Gordon Hayward, Carsten Edwards, pick 26 and pick 30 for Myles Turner, Doug McD and TJ mcConnel.

Use the BAE on a 3 and D Iguodala or Crowder esque bench player. Use the MLE  for combo guard off the bench ala Jordan Clarkson

Walker/McConnell
Smart/Clarkson-esque/Langford
Brown/Iggy-type
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Turner/Theis/RWill

Re: Way too early offseason predictions/suggestion.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2020, 10:55:25 PM »

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Hayward for Ingles and Bogdanovic, lol
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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2020, 10:55:29 PM »

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We need an upgrade on Theis in the middle, not because he lost us the game tonight (he was only one of many contributors to losing) but because he gets in foul trouble too much. Playing against someone as physical as Bam who has decided to drive the ball is hard enough at the best of times, without having 4 fouls as well. Bam attacked him off the dribble because he knew Theis was on 4 fouls and 2 min later he had fouled out. I know he gets a bad whistle but he puts himself in a position where the refs call him for stupid stuff like reaching in, or fouling a jump shooter, or bumping someone. Otherwise I like the prototype of what he does, in terms of the type of 5 that we need that complements our team. Ideally someone bigger or someone who has more bulk but still good lateral movement who can switch multiple positions on D. I don't think we need an Embiid type 5 the way we play. Though if D'Antoni ends up with the Philly job, Embiid might be on the market  :angel:

Of our existing talent, the 2 Williamses are probably the ones that we should look to. Timelord needs to improve his pick and roll defense and getting switched onto wings and guards on the perimeter, that has to be his No1 focus this offseason as that's what's restricting his minutes. He's a solid rim protector as long as he doesn't overhelp on pick and rolls and doesn't jump on ball fakes. While Gwill can be a great piece for a small ball lineup, he can stay in front of guards and switch 1-5 as long as he's not defending an Embiid. If he can develop a reliable 3 point shot (reliable throughout the season not just for 5 games) he could be a great pick and pop threat.

I'm ok with all the other pieces we have. I'd like Gordon to ideally restructure his deal into a longer one for less money per year, say a $70m - $45m 3 year deal. I think he was far from his best these playoffs due to injury but played because even at 70% he was still better than Semi...but at his best I think he makes the Jays, and Kemba, and Smart, better. But Semi's not getting paid a max contract...and I think Gordon will opt in. I just hope we can restructure his deal. As for Kemba I'm ok with his contribution. He's playing within himself to let the Jays flourish and it's rare to find All Star caliber players like that. In an ideal world we wouldn't be paying All Stars max money to be support players, but that's the market rate for players like that...

We also need upgrades to the bench, Smart going back there will add 10-15 points to the bench but it would be nice to have a shooter to come off the bench who can shoot cold, as opposed to Carsen who as the year went on it became clear he needs time to play himself in, he can't just come in and shoot 3s off screens like Robinson or Herro. I'm hoping Langford develops into a decent shooter but it should be worth looking for a veteran shooter. Danny should be more amenable to making a move since we made the ECF a year after the team was broken up with Kyrie, Al, Rozier and Mook leaving. Maybe at the start of the year he was in more of a wait-and-see mode.
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Re: Way too early offseason predictions/suggestion.
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2020, 10:56:18 PM »

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We need front court players and outside shooters. Right now we have a bunch of guys who think they are shooters because their Dad (CBS) told them they’re allowed to shoot. But they aren’t. Everyone whose first name doesn’t start with a J is tradeable.

So glad we’re keeping Javonte Green  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2020, 10:57:34 PM »

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We need front court players and outside shooters. Right now we have a bunch of guys who think they are shooters because their Dad (CBS) told them they’re allowed to shoot. But they aren’t. Everyone whose first name doesn’t start with a J is tradeable.

So glad we’re keeping Javonte Green  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2020, 10:57:52 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.


He's a big salary and he'll be expiring.

Honestly as much as I like hayward I don't think his skillet is different enough from what Jayson and jaylen do. The Celtics need to add some guys who will force it inside and play with an edge late in a game.
I think his skillset is very different from what Jaylen and Tatum provide - Hayward is a wing who can create for himself and others on-ball with considerable off-ball value via extra passing and shooting while Jaylen and Tatum aren't great passers (Jaylen's more of a finisher while Tatum is purely a self-creator).
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2020, 10:58:27 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.

Maybe because he's an enticing asset as an expiring contract, and also still is a good player. Let's not forget, before he got injured, he was looking like the Gordon Hayward of old.

With Jayson Tatum's emerging playmaking game, I think we can finally say that Hayward won't be a huge loss. Certainly would have no issues having him, but if we're talking about improving the team, if need be, we shouldn't hesitate in including him in any trade talks.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2020, 11:00:33 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.

Maybe because he's an enticing asset as an expiring contract, and also still is a good player. Let's not forget, before he got injured, he was looking like the Gordon Hayward of old.

With Jayson Tatum's emerging playmaking game, I think we can finally say that Hayward won't be a huge loss. Certainly would have no issues having him, but if we're talking about improving the team, if need be, we shouldn't hesitate in including him in any trade talks.
Think Tatum can't add value to an already good offence, but I do agree with the opinion that we shouldn't be hesitant in including him in trade talks - just not talks where we're paying assets + Hayward for someone like Myles Turner, Steven Adams or Nikola Vucevic.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2020, 11:01:48 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.


How did Hayward’s skill set look tonight? You can’t pay a nice complimentary passive player like Hayward max money. If he was 10 million a year? Sure but you need to get more out of a max slot than what he has given the Celtics. He is so overrated and soft it’s ridiculous.

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2020, 11:01:52 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.


He's a big salary and he'll be expiring.

Honestly as much as I like hayward I don't think his skillet is different enough from what Jayson and jaylen do. The Celtics need to add some guys who will force it inside and play with an edge late in a game.
I think his skillset is very different from what Jaylen and Tatum provide - Hayward is a wing who can create for himself and others on-ball with considerable off-ball value via extra passing and shooting while Jaylen and Tatum aren't great passers (Jaylen's more of a finisher while Tatum is purely a self-creator).

Well Tatum has kind of blown by him passing wise. And I don't really care that he's better than Jaylen Brown at passing right now, given that Jaylen brown is a flat out better scorer. I'd rather trade Hayward, and lets see if those guys can grow into bigger roles. We don't need to be paying hayward 34.6 million next year to take the ball out of our young guys hands, that money can be better spent.

Its also kind of a logical choice. If you are building around Tatum/Brown there are only so many guys you can move who will allow you to actually make substantial changes to the team. Smart is the heart and soul, Kemba was just signed, Gordon the only other guy making over  5 million and he doesn't really fit our timeline moving forward.

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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2020, 11:02:56 PM »

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Hayward for Ingles and Bogdanovic, lol

If you've read my posts through the years, I've often used Ingles as my example of somebody who would fill the Hayward role beautifully for a fraction of the price.

With Gobert and Mitchell reportedly not feeling each other, I wonder if there is any way to expand the deal to Gobert and Ingles for Hayward and ? ? ?

I imagine Theis would be a must. Could throwing all of our picks this year possibly get it done or would they demand Smart? Maybe the picks and Langford? If I sound like I am criminally underrating what it would take to get Gobert, then I apologize. He is so easy to acquire in GM mode in NBA2K  ;)

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2020, 11:03:02 PM »

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Not sure why people are gung ho on the idea of trading Hayward. His skillset is perfect next to the Jays and Kemba - his ability to shoot, pass and create without dominating the ball allows him to add value to our offence without taking away from the on-ball value of Kemba and the Jays. I'd keep our core 5 and try to use the MLE/Kanter/flotsam/picks to acquire 2-3 quality rotation players.


How did Hayward’s skill set look tonight? You can’t pay a nice complimentary passive player like Hayward max money. If he was 10 million a year? Sure but you need to get more out of a max slot than what he has given the Celtics. He is so overrated and soft it’s ridiculous.
Looked like he was injured off a grade 3 ankle sprain :laugh:, these small sample playoff takes are hilarious lol.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2020, 11:04:17 PM »

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Hayward for Ingles and Bogdanovic, lol

If you've read my posts through the years, I've often used Ingles as my example of somebody who would fill the Hayward role beautifully for a fraction of the price.

With Gobert and Mitchell reportedly not feeling each other, I wonder if there is any way to expand the deal to Gobert and Ingles for Hayward and ????

I imagine Theis would be a must. Could throwing all of our picks this year possibly get it done or would they demand Smart? Maybe the picks and Langford? If I sound like I am criminally underrating what it would take to get Gobert, then I apologize. He is so easy to acquire in GM mode in NBA2K  ;)


I fear that gobert is a guy who gets played off the floor against certain teams in the playoffs.

If your center can't shoot they really need to be able to take guys off the dribble the way bam does.
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2020, 11:04:25 PM »

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Hayward for Ingles and Bogdanovic, lol

If you've read my posts through the years, I've often used Ingles as my example of somebody who would fill the Hayward role beautifully for a fraction of the price.

With Gobert and Mitchell reportedly not feeling each other, I wonder if there is any way to expand the deal to Gobert and Ingles for Hayward and ????

I imagine Theis would be a must. Could throwing all of our picks this year possibly get it done or would they demand Smart? Maybe the picks and Langford? If I sound like I am criminally underrating what it would take to get Gobert, then I apologize. He is so easy to acquire in GM mode in NBA2K  ;)
Now this is what I'm talking about :laugh:. Gobert should be really hard to acquire with how valuable he is (he'd be the best player on our squad today), but Utah doesn't seem to recognise that.
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2020, 11:05:12 PM »

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I saw the title and knew I would not be disappointed. Love the over reactions post loss.

Cs will win it back. They will add a vet shooter/big. They’ll be fine.