Who You Got with the 14th Pick? (Poll added)

[gouki88]

I'm seeing a bunch of mock drafts with The Celtics taking Cole Anthony with the 14th pick. Can someone talk me into liking that? I'm just not high on Cole Anthony. I'd rather have Mannion, Winston, Dotson, Flynn, or Pritchard over Anthony. I'm just not seeing it.

Yeah, I hate the idea of us picking Cole Anthony. Dennis Smith Jr all over again, except Anthony is actually a worse college player.

I think that a worse Dennis Smith Jr. is a very surface level comparison for Cole Anthony. Anthony has a far more complex offensive game than Smith ever had in college, that's far less dependent on simply being more athletic than everyone else.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Part of his shot concern issues were due to a weak UNC team, but that doesn't excuse shooting sub-40% from the field in college. Nothing does.

Like DSJ, he also has a bad wingspan for his height, as well as already having injury concerns. All the same issues as DSJ

[RPGenerate]

I'm seeing a bunch of mock drafts with The Celtics taking Cole Anthony with the 14th pick. Can someone talk me into liking that? I'm just not high on Cole Anthony. I'd rather have Mannion, Winston, Dotson, Flynn, or Pritchard over Anthony. I'm just not seeing it.

Yeah, I hate the idea of us picking Cole Anthony. Dennis Smith Jr all over again, except Anthony is actually a worse college player.

I think that a worse Dennis Smith Jr. is a very surface level comparison for Cole Anthony. Anthony has a far more complex offensive game than Smith ever had in college, that's far less dependent on simply being more athletic than everyone else.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Part of his shot concern issues were due to a weak UNC team, but that doesn't excuse shooting sub-40% from the field in college. Nothing does.

Like DSJ, he also has a bad wingspan for his height, as well as already having injury concerns. All the same issues as DSJ

DSJ is 6'3" with a 6'5" wingspan. Not great, but certainly not crippling. Neither injury nor wingspan was the reason Smith Jr. flamed out in the NBA, so I don't see why that's being used to condemn Cole Anthony.

His sub-40% shooting is definitely an issue, but I'm more concerned with the context. College stats by themselves are pretty useless to me. Anthony was asked to should a tremendous load as a perimeter scorer on a team with very little talent. He was forced to iso and take some really tough shots, something he obviously wasn't ready for. Combined with his already "eh" shot selection, that's not a recipe for success.

[wiley]

I'm seeing a bunch of mock drafts with The Celtics taking Cole Anthony with the 14th pick. Can someone talk me into liking that? I'm just not high on Cole Anthony. I'd rather have Mannion, Winston, Dotson, Flynn, or Pritchard over Anthony. I'm just not seeing it.

Yeah, I hate the idea of us picking Cole Anthony. Dennis Smith Jr all over again, except Anthony is actually a worse college player.

I think that a worse Dennis Smith Jr. is a very surface level comparison for Cole Anthony. Anthony has a far more complex offensive game than Smith ever had in college, that's far less dependent on simply being more athletic than everyone else.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Part of his shot concern issues were due to a weak UNC team, but that doesn't excuse shooting sub-40% from the field in college. Nothing does.

Like DSJ, he also has a bad wingspan for his height, as well as already having injury concerns. All the same issues as DSJ

DSJ is 6'3" with a 6'5" wingspan. Not great, but certainly not crippling. Neither injury nor wingspan was the reason Smith Jr. flamed out in the NBA, so I don't see why that's being used to condemn Cole Anthony.

His sub-40% shooting is definitely an issue, but I'm more concerned with the context. College stats by themselves are pretty useless to me. Anthony was asked to should a tremendous load as a perimeter scorer on a team with very little talent. He was forced to iso and take some really tough shots, something he obviously wasn't ready for. Combined with his already "eh" shot selection, that's not a recipe for success.

Forgive me if my memory is poor, but physically speaking to me DSJ is a tank (with hops) and Cole Anthony is a water bug.  Much easier to picture the water bug darting around doing PG like things than the more straight line driving tank that is DSJ.

[liam]

I'm seeing a bunch of mock drafts with The Celtics taking Cole Anthony with the 14th pick. Can someone talk me into liking that? I'm just not high on Cole Anthony. I'd rather have Mannion, Winston, Dotson, Flynn, or Pritchard over Anthony. I'm just not seeing it.

Yeah, I hate the idea of us picking Cole Anthony. Dennis Smith Jr all over again, except Anthony is actually a worse college player.

I think that a worse Dennis Smith Jr. is a very surface level comparison for Cole Anthony. Anthony has a far more complex offensive game than Smith ever had in college, that's far less dependent on simply being more athletic than everyone else.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Part of his shot concern issues were due to a weak UNC team, but that doesn't excuse shooting sub-40% from the field in college. Nothing does.

Like DSJ, he also has a bad wingspan for his height, as well as already having injury concerns. All the same issues as DSJ

Maybe it was injuries but he just didn't pop for me. He doesn't look like he has an edge. I hope Danny picks guys with fire in the belly.

[CFAN38]

In another post on this forum the Hollinger article for the athletic was posted highlighting the luxury cap gymnastics that DA is likely going to have to play for the foreseeable future. That post has become a place to debate how the Cs will handle the Lux tax.

I thought it brought up a really good point about the cap and trade asset value of moving the #14 for a future pick.

As the draft process has been dragged out ridiculously long because of Covid draft fans (myself included) have really built up the value of their favorite prospects. The truth is this draft class is lottery/high end starter(maybe allstar) weak but really strong 20-40. This range is full of solid role players, Every mock I see I feel missed on someone who should be a 1st round pick. Meaning solid role players are going to be available on the 31-40 range.

Unless DA thinks the player he has available at #14 has a role player floor and all-star ceiling he may be best served to try to trade #14 + Porier for a future protected 1st and a 2nd in the top 40. This will be a major let down to Cs draft fans including myself who seeing the silver lining and potential fit of a handful of the guys likely available at #14. Being realistic if the Cs where to trade #14+Porier+ Semi (he may bring value to a playoff push) to the Wizards for a lotto protected 1st and #37 it could be mutually beneficial to both teams.

The Cs would clear a roster spot in moving Porier, save around 2mill in cap from 14 to 37 and still come out of the draft with a solid prospect.  Looking at the players available at 26/30/37/47 in a couple of mocks.

tankathon

26 Bane
30 Tillman
37  Riller
47  Quickley (2-way?)

ESPN

26 Pokusevski (not a fan but this late worth the D&S gamble)
30 Tillman
37 Riller
47 Stanley

Both mock would land the Cs lower ceiling but NBA ready prospects.


 

[gouki88]

in another post on here the Hollinger article for the athletic was posted highlighting the luxury cap gymnastics that DA is likely going to have to play for the foreseeable future. That post has become a place to debate how the Cs will handle the Lux tax.

I thought it brought up a really good point about the cap and trade asset value of moving the #14 for a future pick.

As the draft process has been dragged out ridiculously long because of Covid draft fans (myself included) have really built up the value of their favorite prospects. The truth is this draft class is lottery/high end start(maybe allstar) weak but really strong 20-40. Every mock I see I feel missed on someone who should be a 1st round pick. Meaning solid role players are going to be available on the 31-40 range.

Unless DA thinks the player he has available at #14 has a role player floor and all-star ceiling he may be best served to try to trade #14 + Porier for a future protected 1st and a 2nd in the top 40. This will be a major let down to Cs draft fans including myself who seeing the silver lining and potential fit of a handful of the guys likely available at #14. Being realistic if the Cs where to trade #14+Porier+ Semi (he may bring value to a playoff push) to the Wizards for a lotto protected 1st and #37 it could be mutually beneficial to both teams.

The Cs would clear a roster spot in moving Porier, save around 2mill in cap from 14 to 37 and still come out of the draft with a solid prospect. Looking at the players available at 26/30/37/47 in a couple of mocks.

tankathon

26 Bane
30 Tillman
37  Riller
47  Quickley (2-way?)

ESPN

26 Pokusevski (not a fan but this late worth the D&S gamble)
30 Tillman
37 Riller
47 Stanley

Both mock would land the Cs lower ceiling but NBA ready prospects.

That's pretty interesting. I don't mind that idea at all.

I'd go with:
26. Desmond Bane
30. Xavier Tillman
37. Paul Reed / Reggie Perry
47. Sam Merrill

4 of those guys provide immediate NBA-level skills, whether it be shooting, defence, rebounding or passing, and Perry is a really interesting high potential guy IMO

[footey]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

[liam]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

If we traded up I would be very happy with Vassell.

[Vermont Green]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

If we traded up I would be very happy with Vassell.

According to several pick value charts that I have referred to, the value of Pick 8 is about equal to the value of pick 14 + 30.  Feels about right.  Not sure the Knicks do this as they have pick 27 (leaving them 14, 27, 30).  This would be good for the Celtics it seems.  We would still have 8 and 26. 

For what it is worth, if we then flipped 8 + 26, the value is about equal to pick 4.  Not sure these are actual trades anyone would make but the summary of equal value would be these 3 options of first round picks:

     14, 26, 30  (Where we stand now)
     8, 26         (after 14+30 for Knicks' 8 )
     4               (after 8+26 for Chicago's 4 )

I wonder if it is worth a poll to see which of these options people like the best.  Again, this is based on some general pick value data that I found so probably not exact but in the ball park I think.  It would probably take a little more to entice either the Knicks or Chicago do this but still interesting.

Chicago has pick 4 along with 44.

[RodyTur10]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

If we traded up I would be very happy with Vassell.

Me too. I wouldn't be surprised if Vassell goes even higher than 8 though.
Feels like Vassell (or Okoro) with 6 would be a typical Atlanta type of pick.
From all the guys projected in the lottery Vassell probably has the least bust potential.

Haliburton is an interesting player with high potential as well, but more question marks about his shot and role in the NBA.

New York hoping to get LaMelo Ball seems like such a stereotype Knicks disaster waiting to unfold 

According to several pick value charts that I have referred to, the value of Pick 8 is about equal to the value of pick 14 + 30. Feels about right. Not sure the Knicks do this as they have pick 27 (leaving them 14, 27, 30).  This would be good for the Celtics it seems. We would still have 8 and 26. 

For what it is worth, if we then flipped 8 + 26, the value is about equal to pick 4.  Not sure these are actual trades anyone would make but the summary of equal value would be these 3 options of first round picks:

     14, 26, 30  (Where we stand now)
     8, 26         (after 14+30 for Knicks' 8 )
     4               (after 8+26 for Chicago's 4 )

I think even in a weak considered draft neither New York or Chicago would do that.
On paper it could be good trades for us, but this draft is so unpredictable that I've no idea if a better prospect will be available at #8 than at #14.

Even at #4 I'd still pick Vassell, but maybe 3 first rounders for a guy who currently has no special skill set besides being a good defender and 3 point shooter might be too much for most people.

[liam]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

If we traded up I would be very happy with Vassell.

Me too. I wouldn't be surprised if Vassell goes even higher than 8 though.
Feels like Vassell (or Okoro) with 6 would be a typical Atlanta type of pick.
From all the guys projected in the lottery Vassell probably has the least bust potential.

Haliburton is an interesting player with high potential as well, but more question marks about his shot and role in the NBA.

New York hoping to get LaMelo Ball seems like such a stereotype Knicks disaster waiting to unfold 

I agree Vassell is going to be at least a 3-D player. I would give all 3 first round picks for him. If I was the Warriors I would grab him with that second pick.

[RodyTur10]

Knicks reportedly interested in trading down from 8 if neither Ball or Wiseman available. 

They like Maxey, who likely will be available at 14.

Could be a potential partner with Celtics?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/12/knicks-seriously-considering-trading-down-in-2020-nba-draft/

If we traded up I would be very happy with Vassell.

Me too. I wouldn't be surprised if Vassell goes even higher than 8 though.
Feels like Vassell (or Okoro) with 6 would be a typical Atlanta type of pick.
From all the guys projected in the lottery Vassell probably has the least bust potential.

Haliburton is an interesting player with high potential as well, but more question marks about his shot and role in the NBA.

New York hoping to get LaMelo Ball seems like such a stereotype Knicks disaster waiting to unfold 

I agree Vassell is going to be at least a 3-D player. I would give all 3 first round picks for him. If I was the Warriors I would grab him with that second pick.

Okay lets get Vassell .

This draft is unpredictable as it is and then you also have the Golden State Warriors sitting there with #2. Are they going for BPA (shortterm or longterm?), draft for fit (and what position/type is that?) or trade down?

Maybe a four-team-trade: GSW 2=>8, Bulls 4=>2, Knicks 8=>14 and Celtics 14=>4

1. Edwards (Timberwolves)
2. Avdija (Bulls)
3. Wiseman (Hornets)
4. Vassell (Celtics)
5. Ball (Cavaliers)
6. Okoro (Hawks)
7. Hayes (Pistons)
8. Okongwu (Warriors)
..
14 Maxey (Knicks)

[footey]

Vassel is okay but redundant positionally. Would not give up 3 first round picks for him. I’d be more intrigued to trade up to 7 or 8 to grab Hayes.

[CFAN38]

Vassel is okay but redundant positionally. Would not give up 3 first round picks for him. I’d be more intrigued to trade up to 7 or 8 to grab Hayes.

I agree that I would take the creation the Hayes potential brings over Vassell. If Hayes is off the board and a trade up for Vassel or Okoro is possible I would do it despite the positional redundancy. Either player could be the future Hayward replacement in the starting lineup.

[GreenWarrior]

We seriously want this team to draft players this year? Imo if we do actually draft players this yr. Danny has seriously let this team down.