Not really to the point he was making. He was basically saying Lebron couldn't hack it and had to go form a team to win, but that is very similar to how a lot of title teams have come together. Not necessarily through free agency, but coming together to win. And someone like Kareem had won previously (though not until Oscar joined the Bucks), but he still didn't want to toil in Milwaukee. And Lebron tried to get Bosh to Cleveland. The Cavs and Raptors had already agreed on a trade to make it happen, but Bosh wouldn't go to Cleveland so he and Lebron went to Miami. I mean even Jordan had to retire so the Bulls could retool. I mean seriously the only 2 people on both the 3rd and 4th Bulls titles were Jordan and Pippen. Teams come together in different ways all of the time, but to dock Lebron because he used free agency to get out of a dumpster fire of an organization to go to a better one and not recognize the countless other players that did the exact same thing and not dock them is just hypocrisy at its finest.
Those examples you listed are entirely different to the formation of Miami’s Big 3, and you know it.
The Celtics were a manufactured team. No one on that team could win by themselves it took trades for them to do it. And unlike the 3 C's stars, Lebron had actually taken a craptastic team to the Finals. Pierce is just a giant a hypocrite with his reasoning. I mean his point was Lebron had to manufacture teams, yet several of the players on his list did that exact same thing. I mean Kareem asked out of Milwaukee, Magic only stayed in the draft when the Lakers won the coin toss, Kobe refused to play in Charlotte (and basically forced his way to go play with Shaq in LA), etc. I just find his hypocrisy to be a real problem and he just comes off as petty as a result.
his reasoning was pretty bad, basically Lebron created a team in Miami and then again in Cleveland. Just sounds like a huge hypocrite since you know Pierce's title team was manufactured the prior off season as well (I suspect he wouldn't have the same criticisms of Garnett as he did with Lebron). The other analysts on the show didn't even really bother with his nonsense as they all just took it as nonsense. Heck Magic would have gone back to school if the Lakers didn't win the coin toss for the 1st pick. He has said this several times over the years. In other words, he wanted to play with Kareem. Kareem won his title in Milwaukee in Oscar's 1st season (i.e. he joined the team and wasn't on it) and didn't win any others without Magic. Kobe demanded to go to LA after he was drafted by Charlotte. He joined a team with Shaq. His 2nd two, the Lakers were a mid-level team until they acquired Pau at the trade deadline. They then went on a 3 season tear. The analysis is just nonsense and that is the problem with it.
And here's Paul Pierce's top 5 (not starting 5):Pierce looks like a fool listing Kobe & Magic ahead of Bron. Makes him come off as having been beaten by LeBron in more ways than one, lol.
People hate on PP for not including LeBron. Personally speaking, I got Bron in the same tier as MJ, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Oscar and Duncan. I'm fine with opting for MJ/Kareem/Russell/Magic over Bron. My only objection to his list would be Kobe.
He’s such a bad analyst it’s not even funny.
The thing is, I think you could at least argue with a straight face that Lebron is outside the top 5, but Pierce just had this nonsensical argument. And just to be clear, I don't think it would really be that difficult to argue that MJ, Bill, Wilt, and Kareem were all better for different reasons. That 5th person is more difficult, but I can see at least reasonable arguments for Oscar, Magic, or Bird. That said, I think most people have Lebron in the top 3 all time and more and more think he is the best player ever so it is getting harder to make the argument.
How is getting kg and ray due to trades made and planned by your gm the same as talking among yourselves and planning to go to a same team?! Thanks for the laugh as always.
Rofl. Ironic beyond belief
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