2020 Historical Draft Thread: Draft over. Playoffs coming soon!

[RPGenerate]

Some very strange selections in the first round.

Such as?

Guess he doesn't feel like expounding on what he said... at all.

[Roy H.]

Some very strange selections in the first round.

Such as?

Guess he doesn't feel like expounding on what he said... at all.

The only guy I consider a reach is Pierce, and even then, how much of a reach is he?  I’ve got to think he’d be picked by the mid-second.

[gouki88]

Some very strange selections in the first round.

Such as?

Guess he doesn't feel like expounding on what he said... at all.

The only guy I consider a reach is Pierce, and even then, how much of a reach is he?  I’ve got to think he’d be picked by the mid-second.

I'm in the same boat. Pierce was at lowest (in my book) going to be taken 20th or so. Not like he was picked 3 rounds above where he could have been had

[GreenFaith1819]

To accomplish what Paul Pierce did was incredible....and I'm talking PRE-KG and Ray....

Dude was oftentimes the focal point of our offense back then...and was rather efficient for it.

He got the best of EVERY opponent's defenses and still was able to compete.

How about the year he almost lost his life - only to come back and play all 82 games the next season, IIRC??

The tears he cried in June 2008 were REAL....and EARNED.

Not many get nicknames from The Diesel...only Paul and D Wade earned this honor.

Dude started bringing this franchise out of its funk in the late 90s....brought some swag with him, too.

All of this and he's earned a place on The King's short list of Best Defenders.

[RockinRyA]

I think this is underselling Duncan a bit. I believe Duncan has done well against PnRs even later in his career.

I don't think so, he struggled mightily against the SSOL Suns spamming the high PnR during the mid-00s. Again you could make it work with the drop zone, but that would be taken advantage of against 5-out offences.

I wouldn't say Duncan struggled that mightily against those very good Suns teams considering SAS knocked them out of the playoffs in 3 of the 4 years between 05-08.  (The other year they both lost to DAL).  It wasn't until 2010 that Phoenix ever beat SAS in the playoffs, when Duncan was 33.

That was because he went ham on the Suns' frontcourt on offence, and it helped that he had a couple of All-NBA guards playing with him. He did struggle a lot when he tried to defend the high PnR Nash ran, it just doesn't necessarily translate to the W/L column. And the pick and roll has never been as deadly as it has been recently, just because Duncan handled with it well during his era doesn't mean he would still be as good today against 5-out lineups that never really existed during his time.

If Al did well against modern offense, I think TD is just gonna do just fine.

[Somebody]

I think this is underselling Duncan a bit. I believe Duncan has done well against PnRs even later in his career.

I don't think so, he struggled mightily against the SSOL Suns spamming the high PnR during the mid-00s. Again you could make it work with the drop zone, but that would be taken advantage of against 5-out offences.

I wouldn't say Duncan struggled that mightily against those very good Suns teams considering SAS knocked them out of the playoffs in 3 of the 4 years between 05-08.  (The other year they both lost to DAL).  It wasn't until 2010 that Phoenix ever beat SAS in the playoffs, when Duncan was 33.

That was because he went ham on the Suns' frontcourt on offence, and it helped that he had a couple of All-NBA guards playing with him. He did struggle a lot when he tried to defend the high PnR Nash ran, it just doesn't necessarily translate to the W/L column. And the pick and roll has never been as deadly as it has been recently, just because Duncan handled with it well during his era doesn't mean he would still be as good today against 5-out lineups that never really existed during his time.

If Al did well against modern offense, I think TD is just gonna do just fine.

Al had considerably better lateral movement and footwork (in terms of defensive slides outside the perimeter) though.

[RockinRyA]

I think this is underselling Duncan a bit. I believe Duncan has done well against PnRs even later in his career.

I don't think so, he struggled mightily against the SSOL Suns spamming the high PnR during the mid-00s. Again you could make it work with the drop zone, but that would be taken advantage of against 5-out offences.

I wouldn't say Duncan struggled that mightily against those very good Suns teams considering SAS knocked them out of the playoffs in 3 of the 4 years between 05-08.  (The other year they both lost to DAL).  It wasn't until 2010 that Phoenix ever beat SAS in the playoffs, when Duncan was 33.

That was because he went ham on the Suns' frontcourt on offence, and it helped that he had a couple of All-NBA guards playing with him. He did struggle a lot when he tried to defend the high PnR Nash ran, it just doesn't necessarily translate to the W/L column. And the pick and roll has never been as deadly as it has been recently, just because Duncan handled with it well during his era doesn't mean he would still be as good today against 5-out lineups that never really existed during his time.

If Al did well against modern offense, I think TD is just gonna do just fine.

Al had considerably better lateral movement and footwork (in terms of defensive slides outside the perimeter) though.

No I disagree.

[Somebody]

I think this is underselling Duncan a bit. I believe Duncan has done well against PnRs even later in his career.

I don't think so, he struggled mightily against the SSOL Suns spamming the high PnR during the mid-00s. Again you could make it work with the drop zone, but that would be taken advantage of against 5-out offences.

I wouldn't say Duncan struggled that mightily against those very good Suns teams considering SAS knocked them out of the playoffs in 3 of the 4 years between 05-08.  (The other year they both lost to DAL).  It wasn't until 2010 that Phoenix ever beat SAS in the playoffs, when Duncan was 33.

That was because he went ham on the Suns' frontcourt on offence, and it helped that he had a couple of All-NBA guards playing with him. He did struggle a lot when he tried to defend the high PnR Nash ran, it just doesn't necessarily translate to the W/L column. And the pick and roll has never been as deadly as it has been recently, just because Duncan handled with it well during his era doesn't mean he would still be as good today against 5-out lineups that never really existed during his time.

If Al did well against modern offense, I think TD is just gonna do just fine.

Al had considerably better lateral movement and footwork (in terms of defensive slides outside the perimeter) though.

No I disagree.

Sure, agree to disagree.

[tazzmaniac]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit). 

[gouki88]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit).

To further this point, I can definitely see 1, maybe 2 not being picked in the second round

[Somebody]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit).

To further this point, I can definitely see 1, maybe 2 not being picked in the second round

I see three not getting picked in the second round - they're low portability players who don't give you MVP value even if you build around them.

[tazzmaniac]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit).

To further this point, I can definitely see 1, maybe 2 not being picked in the second round

I see three not getting picked in the second round - they're low portability players who don't give you transcendent value even if you build around them.

Wouldn't be surprised.  Only one has an argument for being a 1st round pick. 

[gouki88]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit).

To further this point, I can definitely see 1, maybe 2 not being picked in the second round

I see three not getting picked in the second round - they're low portability players who don't give you MVP value even if you build around them.

Oh yeah, missed one who I definitelyyyyy don’t see being picked up

[Who]

If I counted correctly, 5 of the 13 individuals who won MVPs over this time frame are yet to be selected.  Not surprised by any of them but it will be interesting to see how they will be drafted (i.e. talent vs. fit).

To further this point, I can definitely see 1, maybe 2 not being picked in the second round

I see three not getting picked in the second round - they're low portability players who don't give you MVP value even if you build around them.

Oh yeah, missed one who I definitelyyyyy don’t see being picked up

I had trouble figuring out who the 5 MVPs were.

I only had 2 in mind to begin with. Took me a good 30 minutes of doing other things but with this in the back of my head to remember who the heck the other 3 guys were!

[Moranis]

Some very strange selections in the first round.

Such as?

KG at 2 is  too high.  I mean the rationale was basically he would be even better today, yet someone like Durant, who I think the thought is what KG would be today goes 7 (too low).  Remember if KG is a perimeter player today he isn't anywhere near the rebounder, he won't be the same level of interior defender, etc.  You can't just assume he adds the great perimeter skills while not losing the interior ones.  He probably looks like either Giannis or Durant in the modern game, not a combination of all the best skills of those guys.  Leonard was too high.  A poor passer that can't stay healthy and doesn't dominate the way someone like Shaq did (so you can get away with missing a bunch of games).  Pierce isn't a top 14 player in the 20 year period and neither are Chris Paul or McGrady (though they are more defendable than Pierce).  Curry in the top 5 is way too high.  We've seen what physical defenders do to him in the Finals (sans Durant to bail him out).  Incredible shooter, but small and a poor defender.  He is a 1st round pick sure, but no where near as high as he went in this thing (Durant is a way better all around player for example).  People seem to be overthinking this a lot.  Just take the best player and worry about team building later on.