Trade Deadline Thread: Rumors and News

[Who]

Per Woj:

ESPN Sources: Minnesota orchestrating three-team trade talks with Houston and Atlanta -- with hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State G D'Angelo Russell to Timberwolves.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks possess the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

Covington and Capela to GSW would be a pretty good return for Russell. Probably about as good a return for role player level talent as GSW could hope to achieve for a quasi-star like Russell.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Rob Covington
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Clint Capela

That is a solid starting five. Well balanced. Covington's shooting is a great fit. Capela just a better version of what they have had the last couple of years at center. Not ideal (since he cannot pass or shoot) but better than what they had.

Plus Capela's plantar fascitis is no issue since GSW are not competing for anything this year anyway. They'll be happy to sit him out and collect a better draft pick.

Minnesota should try for that instead of trying to send Capela to Atlanta.

That's not the trade. The Rockets would be getting Covington in that framework. Otherwise, the Rockets aren't trading away Capela.

They'd have to change the trade. Sends picks to Houston for Capela that Houston can send to another team for veteran players who fit their system. Then Minny sends newly acquired Capela + Covington who they already have to GSW for D-Russell.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Per Woj:

ESPN Sources: Minnesota orchestrating three-team trade talks with Houston and Atlanta -- with hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State G D'Angelo Russell to Timberwolves.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks possess the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

Covington and Capela to GSW would be a pretty good return for Russell. Probably about as good a return for role player level talent as GSW could hope to achieve for a quasi-star like Russell.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Rob Covington
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Clint Capela

That is a solid starting five. Well balanced. Covington's shooting is a great fit. Capela just a better version of what they have had the last couple of years at center. Not ideal (since he cannot pass or shoot) but better than what they had.

Plus Capela's plantar fascitis is no issue since GSW are not competing for anything this year anyway. They'll be happy to sit him out and collect a better draft pick.

Minnesota should try for that instead of trying to send Capela to Atlanta.

That's not the trade. The Rockets would be getting Covington in that framework. Otherwise, the Rockets aren't trading away Capela.

They'd have to change the trade. Sends picks to Houston for Capela that Houston can send to another team for veteran players who fit their system. Then Minny sends newly acquired Capela + Covington who they already have to GSW for D-Russell.

But that's what I'm saying. There aren't many wings like Covington out there. Iggy is not at his level. If the Rockets are giving up Capela, they will get a player at Covington's level back.

The Warriors won't be able to get Capela and Covington for Russell.

I think many people evaluate trade value based on PPG. Russell's and Covington's trade value is roughly the same.

[Who]

Per Woj:

ESPN Sources: Minnesota orchestrating three-team trade talks with Houston and Atlanta -- with hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State G D'Angelo Russell to Timberwolves.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks possess the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

Covington and Capela to GSW would be a pretty good return for Russell. Probably about as good a return for role player level talent as GSW could hope to achieve for a quasi-star like Russell.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Rob Covington
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Clint Capela

That is a solid starting five. Well balanced. Covington's shooting is a great fit. Capela just a better version of what they have had the last couple of years at center. Not ideal (since he cannot pass or shoot) but better than what they had.

Plus Capela's plantar fascitis is no issue since GSW are not competing for anything this year anyway. They'll be happy to sit him out and collect a better draft pick.

Minnesota should try for that instead of trying to send Capela to Atlanta.

That's not the trade. The Rockets would be getting Covington in that framework. Otherwise, the Rockets aren't trading away Capela.

They'd have to change the trade. Sends picks to Houston for Capela that Houston can send to another team for veteran players who fit their system. Then Minny sends newly acquired Capela + Covington who they already have to GSW for D-Russell.

But that's what I'm saying. There aren't many wings like Covington out there. Iggy is not at his level. If the Rockets are giving up Capela, they will get a player at Covington's level back.

The Warriors won't be able to get Capela and Covington for Russel.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Is it that you don't think D-Russell has enough trade value to get a Capela and Covington?

I'd agree that Russell shouldn't have enough value to net two such players but I expect he does have enough trade value to do so.

If I were GSW, I'd be reluctant to trade Russell for those two players. Instead trying to hold onto him and package him in a larger trade for whatever disgruntled star player becomes available down the line. A young proven All-Star guard (didn't deserve to be an All-Star but he was) plus a boat load of picks like HOU / LAC gave up for their stars is an attractive package.

If I was to trade Russell for role player talent, this is the type of return I would be looking to get. Two quality starters who are ideal 4th best (maybe 5th best) type players on contenders.

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Or is it that Minnesota cannot get Capela from Houston?

Minny has some really valuable draft picks given how inept they have been / how incapable they are at making the playoffs. Their pick this year is mid lottery. That is more valuable than a Capela or Covington.

Houston could take that pick and re-route it elsewhere for a good veteran.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I'm saying that Russell and Covington's trade value are roughly the same.

Russell cannot be a lead shot-creator on a contending team. I'm not sure he can be the second option, and I know he will get his shots up, which means he won't let himself be the third option.

Semi-efficient shot-creator guards who average 20 PPG on losing teams just aren't that valuable. There's always someone like that. Russell's role on a winning team might be best as a sixth man. Plus, he is awful on defense.

Covington, on the other hand, has a specific role on a championship team. Every contender needs a big wing who can defend Doncic, James, George, Leonard, Siakim, Giannis, etc. Covington is one of the best at it. On top of that, he stretches the opposing defense with deep threes and a quick trigger. That helps the offense he plays for a ton.

[makaveli]

Per Woj:

ESPN Sources: Minnesota orchestrating three-team trade talks with Houston and Atlanta -- with hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State G D'Angelo Russell to Timberwolves.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks possess the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

Covington and Capela to GSW would be a pretty good return for Russell. Probably about as good a return for role player level talent as GSW could hope to achieve for a quasi-star like Russell.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Rob Covington
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Clint Capela

That is a solid starting five. Well balanced. Covington's shooting is a great fit. Capela just a better version of what they have had the last couple of years at center. Not ideal (since he cannot pass or shoot) but better than what they had.

Plus Capela's plantar fascitis is no issue since GSW are not competing for anything this year anyway. They'll be happy to sit him out and collect a better draft pick.

Minnesota should try for that instead of trying to send Capela to Atlanta.

That's not the trade. The Rockets would be getting Covington in that framework. Otherwise, the Rockets aren't trading away Capela.

They'd have to change the trade. Sends picks to Houston for Capela that Houston can send to another team for veteran players who fit their system. Then Minny sends newly acquired Capela + Covington who they already have to GSW for D-Russell.

But that's what I'm saying. There aren't many wings like Covington out there. Iggy is not at his level. If the Rockets are giving up Capela, they will get a player at Covington's level back.

The Warriors won't be able to get Capela and Covington for Russel.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Is it that you don't think D-Russell has enough trade value to get a Capela and Covington?

I'd agree that Russell shouldn't have enough value to net two such players but I expect he does have enough trade value to do so.

If I were GSW, I'd be reluctant to trade Russell for those two players. Instead trying to hold onto him and package him in a larger trade for whatever disgruntled star player becomes available down the line. A young proven All-Star guard (didn't deserve to be an All-Star but he was) plus a boat load of picks like HOU / LAC gave up for their stars is an attractive package.

If I was to trade Russell for role player talent, this is the type of return I would be looking to get. Two quality starters who are ideal 4th best (maybe 5th best) type players on contenders.

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Or is it that Minnesota cannot get Capela from Houston?

Minny has some really valuable draft picks given how inept they have been / how incapable they are at making the playoffs. Their pick this year is mid lottery. That is more valuable than a Capela or Covington.

Houston could take that pick and re-route it elsewhere for a good veteran.

as i understand it:

ATL gets Capela

HOU gets Covingotn

MINNY gets picks and expiring and then puts up a package for D Russ

right?

it is confusing that some posters claim that GSW gets RoCo and Capela

[Birdman]

Cavs trade Love to Phoenix for Ty Johnson and M. Bridges?? If Love wants out, Cavs has a expiring contract in Johnson

Suns lineup:
Ayton
Love
Oubre
Booker
Rubio

[Who]

I'm saying that Russell and Covington's trade value are roughly the same.

Russell cannot be a lead shot-creator on a contending team. I'm not sure he can be the second option, and I know he will get his shots up, which means he won't let himself be the third option.

Semi-efficient shot-creator guards who average 20 PPG on losing teams just aren't that valuable. There's always someone like that. Russell's role on a winning team might be best as a sixth man. Plus, he is awful on defense.

Covington, on the other hand, has a specific role on a championship team. Every contender needs a big wing who can defend Doncic, James, George, Leonard, Siakim, Giannis, etc. Covington is one of the best at it. On top of that, he stretches the opposing defense with deep threes and a quick trigger. That helps the offense he plays for a ton.

I understand and I agree completely. I just do not think everyone else around the league agrees with us about D-Russell. Otherwise he would not have been an All-Star. I think he has more value than he deserves to have -- also shown by the huge contract he got vs what guys like Covington can command.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I'm saying that Russell and Covington's trade value are roughly the same.

Russell cannot be a lead shot-creator on a contending team. I'm not sure he can be the second option, and I know he will get his shots up, which means he won't let himself be the third option.

Semi-efficient shot-creator guards who average 20 PPG on losing teams just aren't that valuable. There's always someone like that. Russell's role on a winning team might be best as a sixth man. Plus, he is awful on defense.

Covington, on the other hand, has a specific role on a championship team. Every contender needs a big wing who can defend Doncic, James, George, Leonard, Siakim, Giannis, etc. Covington is one of the best at it. On top of that, he stretches the opposing defense with deep threes and a quick trigger. That helps the offense he plays for a ton.

I understand and I agree completely. I just do not think everyone else around the league agrees with us about D-Russell. Otherwise he would not have been an All-Star. I think he has more value than he deserves to have -- also shown by the huge contract he got vs what guys like Covington can command.

Gotchya. I do think he only got that contract because the Warriors needed some value back for Durant.

I also think he only got the all-star because the Nets were a surprisingly good team and he was the leading scorer. He routinely got benched at the end of games last year in favor of Dinwiddie.

Maybe some dumb team values him more highly. Maybe that is the Wolves, but I don't think it's the Rockets. I don't think the Rockets think he is enough to give up Capela and Covington for.

[CelticsElite]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28634277/sources-timberwolves-talks-multiteam-deal-land-dangelo-russell


The Timberwolves are orchestrating multiteam trade discussions with Houston and Atlanta in hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State guard D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota, league sources told ESPN.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks have the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

[Donoghus]

Stickied this thru Thursday.

[Who]

The Timberwolves have been engaged in talks with Golden State in recent weeks about a package that includes Russell, league sources said.

A gulf has remained between the Warriors and Timberwolves on a possible agreement.

Golden State has an interest in shedding salary in a potential Russell trade, and Minnesota could need to give the Warriors flexibility on which year or years they'd prefer draft picks, league sources said.

Golden State is already headed toward a high lottery pick in the 2020 NBA draft, which isn't considered strong. Minnesota's Andrew Wiggins would have to be included in almost any Russell trade package.

Same ESPN article linked to just above.

I hadn't seen the Wiggins part mentioned before. Wiggins would replace that Harrison Barnes type role at SF from earlier Championship years. Maybe GSW could try and use their lottery pick this summer to net a new center in a trade. That could net them a promising team.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Andrew Wiggins
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Wendell Carter Jr ?? Lauri Markkanen?

If they got a top 3 pick, they could themselves a really good young big man to slot in at center. If top 5/6, still pretty good.

Hmm ... maybe Myles Turner. That would be nice.

[fairweatherfan]

This is the deadest trade deadline I can remember in terms of rumors or (so far) actual moves. That's probably a good thing for the game to be honest but kinda tedious!

[Sketch5]

Per Woj:

ESPN Sources: Minnesota orchestrating three-team trade talks with Houston and Atlanta -- with hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State G D'Angelo Russell to Timberwolves.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks possess the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.

Covington and Capela to GSW would be a pretty good return for Russell. Probably about as good a return for role player level talent as GSW could hope to achieve for a quasi-star like Russell.

PG: Steph Curry
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Rob Covington
PF: Draymond Green
 C: Clint Capela

That is a solid starting five. Well balanced. Covington's shooting is a great fit. Capela just a better version of what they have had the last couple of years at center. Not ideal (since he cannot pass or shoot) but better than what they had.

Plus Capela's plantar fascitis is no issue since GSW are not competing for anything this year anyway. They'll be happy to sit him out and collect a better draft pick.

Minnesota should try for that instead of trying to send Capela to Atlanta.

That's not the trade. The Rockets would be getting Covington in that framework. Otherwise, the Rockets aren't trading away Capela.

I saw some wheres that Houston wanted to move Capela east. It be nice if DA swooped in and took Atlanta's spot. I think we have the pics and young guys GSW would want to keep from winning too much. And guys and pics for GSW to use this summer in a trade for an Steven Adams type player.

[saltlover]

This is the deadest trade deadline I can remember in terms of rumors or (so far) actual moves. That's probably a good thing for the game to be honest but kinda tedious!

There are so many teams bunched together at both ends of the spectrum.  You’ve got really anyone who’s 1-7 in the West and 1-6 in the East that’s capable of a deep playoff run.  (And one might even argue Portland still has a chance to get its act together and be dangerous in the playoffs).  And then the rest of the teams should all be sellers, even tho a couple ultimately will make the playoffs.

So I think it will go one of two ways — either one deal happens sometime tomorrow or Thursday morning that starts a domino effect with all the other teams scrambling to react, or everyone just sits pat aside from some moves for tax/cap purposes.

If I had to bet I think it will get really busy and remind us of the 2015 deadline.

[nickagneta]

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Just what the Knicks need...another PF.