Trade for Myles Turner(merged threads)

[gouki88]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

God no. Not a fan of Turner’s hustle, or lack thereof. He has the rebounding %’s of a good rebounding wing, not a big man

[RockinRyA]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

It's a deal that help both teams.

It might even help the Pacers more.

But if the Celts are going to give up Smart, might as well go after Drummond.

Drummond is better than Myles Turner.

If the Celtics had Drummond in the Sixers game we wouldve still lost. With Smart we win that game. The reason you'd want a big is to play against guys like Giannis and Embiid. Drummond does not help against Giannis and constantly gets abused by Embiid.

[Fierce1]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

It's a deal that help both teams.

It might even help the Pacers more.

But if the Celts are going to give up Smart, might as well go after Drummond.

Drummond is better than Myles Turner.

If the Celtics had Drummond in the Sixers game we wouldve still lost. With Smart we win that game. The reason you'd want a big is to play against guys like Giannis and Embiid. Drummond does not help against Giannis and constantly gets abused by Embiid.

I'm just saying if it's Smart we're talking about then might as well go for Drummond than Turner because Drummond is better than Turner.

I think reason why Drummond got abused by Embiid was due to Drummond's weak supporting cast.

If Drummond is surrounded by players like Kemba, Tatum, Brown, and Hayward, I think Drummond will shine on offense and it will force Embiid to commit fouls.

Whether you're a fan of Drummond or not, once he's in the paint and the opposing team can't double him, he's going to score.

Drummond is just on a bad team with a weak supporting cast.

[Fierce1]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

God no. Not a fan of Turner’s hustle, or lack thereof. He has the rebounding %’s of a good rebounding wing, not a big man

But if the trade for Turner only involves Kanter, Langford, Poirier, GWill, and the Memphis pick?

Will you agree to a trade like that?

[byennie]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

God no. Not a fan of Turner’s hustle, or lack thereof. He has the rebounding %’s of a good rebounding wing, not a big man

I find Smart's style -- all hustle, defense, team-oriented -- much more enjoyable, but I'm not sure it's clear that Turner's average rebounding is a bigger shortcoming than Smart's shooting, and he's two years younger and (as mentioned) a greater area of need. His rebounding the past few years is pretty much the same as Horford, Theis and a lot of other bigs with outside shooting ability.

[Big333223]

I'll echo those who've said they like Turner but don't want to give up one of the 5 main rotation guys for him and are thus skeptical a deal gets done.

Turner is kind of a perfect fit. Good size, rim protector, capable of stepping out for a 3. He's probably undervalued now because the fit in Indy hasn't been right. A better fit would mean he'd play better. He's still probably not an all star but if his destiny is a 15 and 9 with 2 blocks and a 3-pointer that has to be respected, terrific.

But I don't want to give up one of the main 5 and that makes salaries almost impossible.

[Fierce1]

I'll echo those who've said they like Turner but don't want to give up one of the 5 main rotation guys for him and are thus skeptical a deal gets done.

Turner is kind of a perfect fit. Good size, rim protector, capable of stepping out for a 3. He's probably undervalued now because the fit in Indy hasn't been right. A better fit would mean he'd play better. He's still probably not an all star but if his destiny is a 15 and 9 with 2 blocks and a 3-pointer that has to be respected, terrific.

But I don't want to give up one of the main 5 and that makes salaries almost impossible.

Why?

Kanter, Langford, Poirier, and GWill for a Myles Turner trade works.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygtsp9zo

Celts would most likely have to give up the Memphis pick too.

[Big333223]

I'll echo those who've said they like Turner but don't want to give up one of the 5 main rotation guys for him and are thus skeptical a deal gets done.

Turner is kind of a perfect fit. Good size, rim protector, capable of stepping out for a 3. He's probably undervalued now because the fit in Indy hasn't been right. A better fit would mean he'd play better. He's still probably not an all star but if his destiny is a 15 and 9 with 2 blocks and a 3-pointer that has to be respected, terrific.

But I don't want to give up one of the main 5 and that makes salaries almost impossible.

Why?

Kanter, Langford, Poirier, and GWill for a Myles Turner trade works.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygtsp9zo

Celts would most likely have to give up the Memphis pick too.

TP. It does not make the salaries impossible.

[keevsnick]

I'll echo those who've said they like Turner but don't want to give up one of the 5 main rotation guys for him and are thus skeptical a deal gets done.

Turner is kind of a perfect fit. Good size, rim protector, capable of stepping out for a 3. He's probably undervalued now because the fit in Indy hasn't been right. A better fit would mean he'd play better. He's still probably not an all star but if his destiny is a 15 and 9 with 2 blocks and a 3-pointer that has to be respected, terrific.

But I don't want to give up one of the main 5 and that makes salaries almost impossible.

Why?

Kanter, Langford, Poirier, and GWill for a Myles Turner trade works.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygtsp9zo

Celts would most likely have to give up the Memphis pick too.

TP. It does not make the salaries impossible.

Ya but 4 for 1 trade mid season are very, very rare. That means IND would have to make quite a few roster moves.

[Fierce1]

I'll echo those who've said they like Turner but don't want to give up one of the 5 main rotation guys for him and are thus skeptical a deal gets done.

Turner is kind of a perfect fit. Good size, rim protector, capable of stepping out for a 3. He's probably undervalued now because the fit in Indy hasn't been right. A better fit would mean he'd play better. He's still probably not an all star but if his destiny is a 15 and 9 with 2 blocks and a 3-pointer that has to be respected, terrific.

But I don't want to give up one of the main 5 and that makes salaries almost impossible.

Why?

Kanter, Langford, Poirier, and GWill for a Myles Turner trade works.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygtsp9zo

Celts would most likely have to give up the Memphis pick too.

TP. It does not make the salaries impossible.

Ya but 4 for 1 trade mid season are very, very rare. That means IND would have to make quite a few roster moves.

But it went from impossible to possible.

Here's what happened at the 2018 trade deadline.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/2/8/16991762/cavaliers-trades-list-isaiah-thomas-george-hill-rodney-hood

The Cleveland Cavaliers blew up their entire roster beyond belief ahead of the NBA trade deadline on Thursday afternoon.

In the span of a little more than an hour, the Cavs traded six players and a first-round pick to four teams in three separate deals for four new players. They weren’t playing around with all the drama inside and out of the locker room in the past few weeks.

When the dust settled, the Cavaliers added George Hill, Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson, and Larry Nance Jr. in exchange for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Channing Frye, Dwyane Wade, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, and their own 2018 first-round pick.

Cavs ended up reaching the Finals again that season.

[Fierce1]

If and only if it's true that the Pacers are willing to trade Myles Turner, I'm pretty sure Danny Ainge will be interested.

The good thing about acquiring Turner, it doesn't have to include any of the core 5 players of the Celts.

[celticmania]

Enes Kanter
Daniel Theis or Vincent Porier
One of the Williams
Romeo Langford
2020 Celtics 1st round pick
2020 Grizzlies 1st round pick (top 6 protected, top 3 protected in 2021 with pick becoming Celtics 2021 1st round pick)

That’s a fine trade package for Turner I guess. I’m not a huge fan.  He’s pretty good but not great.

I’d much rather trade Kanter and the Bucks pick for Davis Bertrans and sign Tristan Thompson off the big out market if it happens.

Thompson
Tatum
Hayward
Brown
Kemba

Theis
G Williams
Bertrans
Edwards
Smart

Porier
R Williams
Ojeleye
Langford
Wannamaker

Cut Javonte Green

[gouki88]

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

God no. Not a fan of Turner’s hustle, or lack thereof. He has the rebounding %’s of a good rebounding wing, not a big man

But if the trade for Turner only involves Kanter, Langford, Poirier, GWill, and the Memphis pick?

Will you agree to a trade like that?

No. That’s a good bench big man, two first round picks and a future (likely lottery) first round pick for Turner. Overpay.

I'd happily deal Smart for Myles Turner.

Similar value players but M.Turner plays a position of need. Celtics would finally have true balance.

God no. Not a fan of Turner’s hustle, or lack thereof. He has the rebounding %’s of a good rebounding wing, not a big man

I find Smart's style -- all hustle, defense, team-oriented -- much more enjoyable, but I'm not sure it's clear that Turner's average rebounding is a bigger shortcoming than Smart's shooting, and he's two years younger and (as mentioned) a greater area of need. His rebounding the past few years is pretty much the same as Horford, Theis and a lot of other bigs with outside shooting ability.

I don’t think Turner could be classified as even an average rebounder. His highest rebound % is 13.9, and he’s currently sitting below 11 - Theis is sitting over 15 and was at 16 as a rookie.

For the discount Smart is in terms of contract, and for the intangibles and leadership he brings, I wouldn’t even consider a deal based around them.

[bdm860]

So what would the competing offers be for Turner?

Seems like a lot of teams are set at Center already (pretty much all the East playoff teams but Boston, and most of the West playoff teams too).

Maybe Dallas would be a good fit?  Got a lot of salaries that could make a deal work, but not sure what Indiana would want back.

I could also see teams like TOR, HOU, SAS, DET, CHA trying to shake things up and/or try to get younger, just not sure what would look good coming back for the Pacers.

DeRozen for Turner+filler?  Spurs get younger (and try to move Aldridge in a separate deal), Pacers get a vet who can give them a push now.  Pacers could roll out Brogdon, Oladipo, DeRozen, Warren, Sabonis.  That could be a fun lineup.

[SparzWizard]

Trade a small-forward for him. Now's our chance! Get rid of Brown (for his subtle jab at FO the other day) or Tatum (for his inconsistencies) or Hayward (always injured)!