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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #195 on: December 31, 2019, 04:08:28 PM »

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Sabonis went for 15 and 14 against us. He averages 17.4 and 13.4. He had a fairly average for him game against us. He wasn't close to the reason we lost. Heck, we outrebounded Indy that night. We lost that game because the Holidays went 15-23 for a combined 35 points off the bench.

Ibaka is averaging 15 and 8.7 against us when he averages 13.8 and 7.9 a game for the year. Again, he played about at his average rate against us and was a non factor in the two games we beat the Raptors when we thoroughly thumped them on the boards both games. We only lost to the Raptors because the Celtics didn't show up for the game and showed zero effort or energy all game.

Allen averages 15.5 and 12.5 against us while averaging 12 and 10.2 for the year. He plays slightly better against us than he does on average but not by much. The Celtics drummed the Nets on the boards in the win versus the Nets and only lost the battle of the boards by 1 rebound in the loss. The loss to the Nets had a ton more to do with Dinwiddie playing like a superstar than anything else.

The idea that these guys and their performances were at All-Star levels against us or were the major reasons for those 3 losses is a fantasy concocted to try to push a point that our bigs are leading to losses because the opposing bigs are killing us. The stats, and the context of the games tell a completely different story.

Just a few more weeks.

We'll get our answer on or before the trade deadline.

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #196 on: December 31, 2019, 04:23:47 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.
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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #197 on: December 31, 2019, 04:30:12 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #198 on: December 31, 2019, 04:41:25 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do to Theis.
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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #199 on: December 31, 2019, 04:47:18 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Some of the Celtic fans here disagree.

They believe Theis is a legit starting Center.

If Theis is just 3rd string if the Celts had Horford and Baynes, that means Theis is not a legit starting Center in the NBA.

Also, Kanter was the starting C for the Blazers, in the playoffs, last season.
So why didn't the Blazers keep Kanter?

Or why didn't any of the multiple teams Kanter played for in the past didn't keep him long term?
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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #200 on: December 31, 2019, 04:52:21 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win
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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #201 on: December 31, 2019, 05:01:17 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Some of the Celtic fans here disagree.

They believe Theis is a legit starting Center.

If Theis is just 3rd string if the Celts had Horford and Baynes, that means Theis is not a legit starting Center in the NBA.

Also, Kanter was the starting C for the Blazers, in the playoffs, last season.
So why didn't the Blazers keep Kanter?

Or why didn't any of the multiple teams Kanter played for in the past didn't keep him long term?

All that means is Aaron Baynes and Horford are better players than Theis.  No one has argued this.

Has Theis proven he can play at Center in this league??  YES HE HAS!  Is he a bad matchup against Embiid.  YES.

Both answers can be true.

Do we need someone better to matchup against Embiid.  YES.  Again, no ones argued against this.

One question people crying about this refuse to answer, is who are we going to get to go against Embiid thats not gonna cost us one of our core 5, but is better than Daniel Theis, Enis Kanter, and Robert Williams. 

As far as Giannis goes, like I mentioned above, Semi has shown he can give Giannis a hard time in the past.  Hes not a Giannis stopper, but he can slow him enough to give us a chance to win.

Also, no one said Kanter is the best center in the league, I said there are teams in the league he would start on.  Which is true.  You proved the Blazers arent one.  Congrats
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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #202 on: December 31, 2019, 05:07:57 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #203 on: December 31, 2019, 05:09:54 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Some of the Celtic fans here disagree.

They believe Theis is a legit starting Center.

If Theis is just 3rd string if the Celts had Horford and Baynes, that means Theis is not a legit starting Center in the NBA.

Also, Kanter was the starting C for the Blazers, in the playoffs, last season.
So why didn't the Blazers keep Kanter?

Or why didn't any of the multiple teams Kanter played for in the past didn't keep him long term?

All that means is Aaron Baynes and Horford are better players than Theis.  No one has argued this.

Has Theis proven he can play at Center in this league??  YES HE HAS!  Is he a bad matchup against Embiid.  YES.

Both answers can be true.

Do we need someone better to matchup against Embiid.  YES.  Again, no ones argued against this.

One question people crying about this refuse to answer, is who are we going to get to go against Embiid thats not gonna cost us one of our core 5, but is better than Daniel Theis, Enis Kanter, and Robert Williams. 

As far as Giannis goes, like I mentioned above, Semi has shown he can give Giannis a hard time in the past.  Hes not a Giannis stopper, but he can slow him enough to give us a chance to win.

Also, no one said Kanter is the best center in the league, I said there are teams in the league he would start on.  Which is true.  You proved the Blazers arent one.  Congrats

Every name mentioned was rejected by the majority here.
So there's no point in trying to name names anymore.

Ainge will give us the final answer as the trade deadline is only weeks away.

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #204 on: December 31, 2019, 05:09:56 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

he played 20 minutes and did a great job on him in our VICTORY over the Bucks, THIS season
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« Reply #205 on: December 31, 2019, 05:12:42 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

he played 20 minutes and did a great job on him in our VICTORY over the Bucks, THIS season

Celts did not have Kanter and Jaylen in that game.

I doubt Semi would have gotten 20 minutes if both Kanter and JB played.

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #206 on: December 31, 2019, 05:15:24 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

he played 20 minutes and did a great job on him in our VICTORY over the Bucks, THIS season

Celts did not have Kanter and Jaylen in that game.

I doubt Semi would have gotten 20 minutes if both Kanter and JB played.

You might be right.

But wait.  This poorly constructed team at Center beat Giannis shorthanded?  Havent you gone to great length to say we cant beat him the way this team is built?
Greg

Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #207 on: December 31, 2019, 05:22:00 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

he played 20 minutes and did a great job on him in our VICTORY over the Bucks, THIS season

Celts did not have Kanter and Jaylen in that game.

I doubt Semi would have gotten 20 minutes if both Kanter and JB played.

You might be right.

But wait.  This poorly constructed team at Center beat Giannis shorthanded?

No doubt the Celts are a great regular season team this season.

It's the playoffs where you have to beat one team 4 times that will become a problem.

In the Nets game in Brooklyn, Theis was so horrible against Jarrett Allen, Brad only played him 7 minutes.

I truly believe the Celts can advance to the Finals this season.
Ainge just needs to upgrade the Center position.


Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #208 on: December 31, 2019, 05:22:25 PM »

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Re: Who's available that we can get at C
« Reply #209 on: December 31, 2019, 05:24:57 PM »

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Look at team rebounding numbers Were not in the bottom of the league, were right in the middle.  Average.

Points in the paint allowed per game were in the Top 5.

Blocked shots per game, were in the top 6.

Could our bigs be better?  Yes.  But theyre not bad.  We have All Star caliber players literally playing every other starting 5 position.  Our backup center would start on a lot of teams
In a vacuum, Kanter is our best Center though. Only reason Theis starts is cause he's a better fit next to Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum.

Would Theis be starting ''on a lot of teams''? I don't think he would.

Fair Enough, we need scoring off the bench, so Kanter fits better there.  We still have an NBA caliber starting center on the team logging minutes at the position

The point is though, we dont have scrubs at the Center position.  We have league average players, which is more than adequate considering the players we have surrounding them.

its like some folks are trying find a way to construct an All Star team
The C's are a great regular season team. No one is arguing against that. Thing is, the whole conversation has nothing to do with regular season success. Our biggest rivals in the East are the Bucks and the Sixers. They are both very strong at the PF-C positions. As things stand right now, we have no one to defend Giannis-BroLo and/or Horford-Embiid. Assuming the C's are trying to contend this season, we need someone to slow down these guys. Giannis and Embiid would tear us apart. I'm not even sure we can handle Sabonis-Turner for that matter. If Dipo comes back healthy, Indy might be a force to be reckoned with. Griffin-Drummond aren't half bad either, but I couldn't care less for Detroit to be honest.

Do you trust Theis to slow down Giannis/Embiid? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

I think we saw a preview of that last season when Theis only played in 7 playoff games, averaging 6 minutes per game, 1.7 points per game and 1.4 rebounds per game.

The point is Theis wasn't used much in the playoffs last season.

Why is that?
Well, we had Horford and Baynes last season, but yeah, I see your point. CBS himself is on the record saying that Theis isn't a good matchup for Embiid. Not that we needed CBS to say it. I mean, it's rather obvious. Theis is 6'8'' and Embiid is 7'00''. The same goes for Giannis.

Btw, Horford and Baynes got killed by Giannis last season. Imagine what he would do Theis.

Semi is going to be spending a lot of time guarding Giannis.  So you dont have to worry about Theis.  Semi has shown he is more than adequate to give Giannis a hard enough time to give us a chance to win

I think Semi on Giannis worked in 2018, but not in 2019.

Last season Semi only averaged 8.5 minutes per game in 4 playoff games against the Bucks.

he played 20 minutes and did a great job on him in our VICTORY over the Bucks, THIS season

Celts did not have Kanter and Jaylen in that game.

I doubt Semi would have gotten 20 minutes if both Kanter and JB played.

You might be right.

But wait.  This poorly constructed team at Center beat Giannis shorthanded?

No doubt the Celts are a great regular season team this season.

It's the playoffs where you have to beat one team 4 times that will become a problem.

In the Nets game in Brooklyn, Theis was so horrible against Jarrett Allen, Brad only played him 7 minutes.

I truly believe the Celts can advance to the Finals this season.
Ainge just needs to upgrade the Center position.

Except the celtics were playing the Nets twice in a row. In the second game, Theis got banged up and only played 7 minutes. In the first game, he got 14 points, 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks. I know that doesn't fit the carefully crafted narrative you've built, but them be the facts.