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Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2019, 12:42:23 PM »

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It would be great if Kemba, Tatum, and Brown are all All-Stars this season.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2019, 12:43:07 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2019, 12:49:47 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The last shot of a quarter is not a game winning shot like what Tatum did against the Knicks in Boston.

It's not minimizing Brown, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

We rarely see Brown shoot a 3-pointer when there's a defender in his face.
Or you rarely see Brown shoot a 3-pointer over a defender.
Brown is letting the game come to him.
Unlike last season, Brown is more in control this season and that's a good thing.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2019, 01:02:13 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The emergence of Jaylen's tough shot making ability has been commendable and I think a large part of the improvement can be traced back to the work that he put in with Tracy McGradey this off season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b9wnB0Dk8

So many guys work out with the legends and aren't able to retain what they're being taught but IMO a lot of the shot's Jaylen has been hitting this year look like what he's working on in this video.

The thing that strikes me most is how much T Mac has him doing off 1 or no dribble. How many coaches throughout Jaylen's life have probably preached for him to score by running faster and jumping higher than the other players on the floor? I'd imagine that T Mac may have been one of the first who drilled into Jaylen the value of creating space without dribbling. T Mac was a top tier athlete in his prime and it might take someone of that stature and ability to unlock the potential a guy of Jaylen.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2019, 01:31:38 PM »

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I remember Brown's second Summer League. It has been quite an arc.

This year we've watched him be "the best player on the court" for stretches. Last year's playoffs, he played to the end. He has "fighter" in him....not huge doses, but, it's there.

If I was in charge, the last shot goes to Kemba or Hayward....when that changes and it goes to Brown? You got your KL comparison talk.

Brown still "checks out" now and then. It's not a problem and it is diminishing, but, his team is loaded with talent and he gets caught watching them sometimes.

Brown is a "top defender"...he can tangle with pretty much anyone.

Finally, Gregg Popovich loves Brown and wants him on his team and has felt this way for some time now. I guess there's your "seal of approval."

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2019, 01:54:00 PM »

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Brown has been great this year, and still has room to grow. There is still no reason to think he will be better than Kawhi.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2019, 02:20:43 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The emergence of Jaylen's tough shot making ability has been commendable and I think a large part of the improvement can be traced back to the work that he put in with Tracy McGradey this off season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b9wnB0Dk8

So many guys work out with the legends and aren't able to retain what they're being taught but IMO a lot of the shot's Jaylen has been hitting this year look like what he's working on in this video.

The thing that strikes me most is how much T Mac has him doing off 1 or no dribble. How many coaches throughout Jaylen's life have probably preached for him to score by running faster and jumping higher than the other players on the floor? I'd imagine that T Mac may have been one of the first who drilled into Jaylen the value of creating space without dribbling. T Mac was a top tier athlete in his prime and it might take someone of that stature and ability to unlock the potential a guy of Jaylen.
I wish TMac taught Jaylen his passing lol. His passing was elite for a wing - it allowed him to have an insane offensive peak in '03 when he hit his stride in scoring as well.
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2019, 02:29:17 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The emergence of Jaylen's tough shot making ability has been commendable and I think a large part of the improvement can be traced back to the work that he put in with Tracy McGradey this off season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b9wnB0Dk8

So many guys work out with the legends and aren't able to retain what they're being taught but IMO a lot of the shot's Jaylen has been hitting this year look like what he's working on in this video.

The thing that strikes me most is how much T Mac has him doing off 1 or no dribble. How many coaches throughout Jaylen's life have probably preached for him to score by running faster and jumping higher than the other players on the floor? I'd imagine that T Mac may have been one of the first who drilled into Jaylen the value of creating space without dribbling. T Mac was a top tier athlete in his prime and it might take someone of that stature and ability to unlock the potential a guy of Jaylen.
I wish TMac taught Jaylen his passing lol. His passing was elite for a wing - it allowed him to have an insane offensive peak in '03 when he hit his stride in scoring as well.

but to be fair though, Jaylen's passing has definitely improved, i won't say elite but it's definitely better than last year.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2019, 02:43:29 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The emergence of Jaylen's tough shot making ability has been commendable and I think a large part of the improvement can be traced back to the work that he put in with Tracy McGradey this off season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b9wnB0Dk8

So many guys work out with the legends and aren't able to retain what they're being taught but IMO a lot of the shot's Jaylen has been hitting this year look like what he's working on in this video.

The thing that strikes me most is how much T Mac has him doing off 1 or no dribble. How many coaches throughout Jaylen's life have probably preached for him to score by running faster and jumping higher than the other players on the floor? I'd imagine that T Mac may have been one of the first who drilled into Jaylen the value of creating space without dribbling. T Mac was a top tier athlete in his prime and it might take someone of that stature and ability to unlock the potential a guy of Jaylen.
I wish TMac taught Jaylen his passing lol. His passing was elite for a wing - it allowed him to have an insane offensive peak in '03 when he hit his stride in scoring as well.

but to be fair though, Jaylen's passing has definitely improved, i won't say elite but it's definitely better than last year.
And given how much Jaylen works over the summers, by the time he is 25, I could see him becoming a good passer. He is already showing flashes of running a PnR and creating for others off his drives. One step at a time.

2 years ago people were complaining about his handle, now it's not just a strength but a tremendous weapon. Imagine what his passing could look like in two years when he is the ripe old age of 25.

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2019, 02:52:37 PM »

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How long before Jaylen is better than Jimmy Butler?

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2019, 02:53:28 PM »

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Wait, did I not see Brown get the last shot of a quarter and make a four point play two games ago? Did I not see Jaylen doing double crossover moves to create space for a tough basket just yesterday? Or the crossover turnaround jumper with a man draped all over him yesterday? Or the numerous corner threes he has hit with people draped all over him?

Brown takes a ton of tough shots. The difference is his moves are so good they make his shot look easier than it is. And he makes his tough shots at a much higher rate than Jayson.

If you like Tatum fine, but trying to minimize what Brown is doing by completely misrepresenting what he is doing isn't right.

Tatum might be trying to play more like a superstar but right now it's Brown that is actually playing more like a superstar. I have confidence that Tatum will too, maybe even this year. And, I will be extremely happy to have two superstars that do different things well.

The emergence of Jaylen's tough shot making ability has been commendable and I think a large part of the improvement can be traced back to the work that he put in with Tracy McGradey this off season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b9wnB0Dk8

So many guys work out with the legends and aren't able to retain what they're being taught but IMO a lot of the shot's Jaylen has been hitting this year look like what he's working on in this video.

The thing that strikes me most is how much T Mac has him doing off 1 or no dribble. How many coaches throughout Jaylen's life have probably preached for him to score by running faster and jumping higher than the other players on the floor? I'd imagine that T Mac may have been one of the first who drilled into Jaylen the value of creating space without dribbling. T Mac was a top tier athlete in his prime and it might take someone of that stature and ability to unlock the potential a guy of Jaylen.
I wish TMac taught Jaylen his passing lol. His passing was elite for a wing - it allowed him to have an insane offensive peak in '03 when he hit his stride in scoring as well.

but to be fair though, Jaylen's passing has definitely improved, i won't say elite but it's definitely better than last year.
And given how much Jaylen works over the summers, by the time he is 25, I could see him becoming a good passer. He is already showing flashes of running a PnR and creating for others off his drives. One step at a time.

2 years ago people were complaining about his handle, now it's not just a strength but a tremendous weapon. Imagine what his passing could look like in two years when he is the ripe old age of 25.

agreed, since his rookie year Jaylen has improved in the following

1. driving
2. ball handling
3. passing
4. FT shooting
5. playmaking
6. shooting

improvements don't happen over night, also with last year's fiasco with being put on the bench, he has taken it very well, and continued to improve. IMO, he earned that money and I agree with you, wait until he's 25

Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2019, 04:09:37 PM »

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His little turn around jumper in the paint is amazing this year--and he's been dead on money from that corner 3. Doing it in the playoffs will prove if he's ever gonna be a top 10 player though.
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Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2019, 05:29:34 PM »

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Twice as good

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Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2019, 06:59:46 PM »

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Sorry, voted Never.

JB is good, and is on the path to greatness... But winning DPOY? Being Finals MVP? Being in the conversation for MVP? I don’t see it. I think JT has a better chance to be at that level than JB
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Re: How long before Jaylen is better than Kawhi
« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2019, 07:19:21 PM »

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Let's just say he JB is better than Kawhi when he was his age now (22).

Difficult to say if JB will reach what the Klaw has accomplished but who's to say he can't..

I certainly see a further improvement in JBs game but what's good about this team is that both Kemba and GH are willing team players who are welcoming the thought of being secondary players when both JB and JT are bout ready to take the reigns...something a certain Kyrie will probably never relinquish.