One of the most classless Kyrie stories I’ve heard...

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

I really enjoyed some of your posts about Irving's game on the court so I'm surprised at your position on this.  Maybe you are trying to prove reasonable doubt like a lawyer, but come on... look at the two parties involved.  One has serious issues and one is incredibly respected and non ego driven.  Mike wouldn't say anything if there was nothing interesting to say. 

Lets say Antonio Brown and Tom Brady had different takes on the way something went down while Brown was a Patriot... something tells me that you would be trying to find a way to take Brown's side on the issue, while 99% of the people wouldn't even have to think about it.  The history of the people involved matter.

I'm just saying it was a minute clip when he was being prodded to say things negatively about Kyrie.  I'm sure they had very little interaction, but I just find the jump to classlessness to be over the top in that situation, especially given everyone knows Kyrie is just strange.  Everything about him is strange. 

[bdm860]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

That shouldn’t be a baseline as many people are introverted.  However, saying that it’s obviously not the case with Kyrie as he has no trouble speaking his mind.

People are making introverts sound like extreme agoraphobes. When somebody you see every day says hello, you say hello back, or you nod, or wave, or something. You don’t just keep walking.

Not unless you're full of yourself and think your **** don't stink.  Just ask Cryee, he'll tell ya.  That "flat earth" thing?   If it rotated it would rotate around him.

Or if you have autism and simply don’t understand social interactions. It’s enough to say he didn’t do a good job of leading the team. We don’t need to make him into a bad guy.

He doesn’t have autism, he doesn’t have Aspergers, he’s not on the autism spectrum.

He’s just self-centered.

How do you know this? Even an expert can’t diagnose someone without testing them. I’m not saying he does have autism, but I think it is possible.

I know nothing about Aspergers/autism, so I what I'm saying may be completely off, but if you're on the spectrum somewhere I don't think you have the ability to turn it on and off so easily like Kyrie does.  You can watch him in interviews being perfectly charming and sociable (as opposed to someone like Mark Zuckerburg, also alleged to be on the spectrum somewhere, who has done his fair share of interviews too and always comes off the same way you'd expect he would in real life).

Also with all the team doctors and psychological tests these guys go through, I would think it would be diagnosed and leaked somewhere along the line.  Duke, Cleveland, Boston, Brooklyn, Team USA.  It would come out somewhere.  But everything that has come out (being nice to some people some of the time, completely ignoring others) just makes him sound like a narcissist. 

Though I'm really completely ignorant on the whole autism spectrum thing, so I may be completely off.

[Donoghus]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

[Big333223]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

That shouldn’t be a baseline as many people are introverted.  However, saying that it’s obviously not the case with Kyrie as he has no trouble speaking his mind.

People are making introverts sound like extreme agoraphobes. When somebody you see every day says hello, you say hello back, or you nod, or wave, or something. You don’t just keep walking.

Not unless you're full of yourself and think your **** don't stink.  Just ask Cryee, he'll tell ya.  That "flat earth" thing?   If it rotated it would rotate around him.

Or if you have autism and simply don’t understand social interactions. It’s enough to say he didn’t do a good job of leading the team. We don’t need to make him into a bad guy.

He doesn’t have autism, he doesn’t have Aspergers, he’s not on the autism spectrum.

He’s just self-centered.

How do you know this? Even an expert can’t diagnose someone without testing them. I’m not saying he does have autism, but I think it is possible.

I know nothing about Aspergers/autism, so I what I'm saying may be completely off, but if you're on the spectrum somewhere I don't think you have the ability to turn it on and off so easily like Kyrie does.  You can watch him in interviews being perfectly charming and sociable (as opposed to someone like Mark Zuckerburg, also alleged to be on the spectrum somewhere, who has done his fair share of interviews too and always comes off the same way you'd expect he would in real life).

Also with all the team doctors and psychological tests these guys go through, I would think it would be diagnosed and leaked somewhere along the line.  Duke, Cleveland, Boston, Brooklyn, Team USA.  It would come out somewhere.  But everything that has come out (being nice to some people some of the time, completely ignoring others) just makes him sound like a narcissist. 

Though I'm really completely ignorant on the whole autism spectrum thing, so I may be completely off.

I think that's a different skillset. An interview is a weird space where there are different rules and it's something he's been trained to do because he's been a famous (on some level) basketball player since he was, like, 17.

Kyrie is not autistic but given all the stories of him, it does seem to me like he's somewhere on the spectrum of having a personality disorder. Maybe not even far enough on that spectrum to be diagnosed but I doubt he got on the elevator and heard Mike Gorman say hi and thought to himself "Screw this guy, I'm not talking to him."

It seems more likely he heard and felt awkward saying anything and thought it would be ok to not say anything. That's not logical but I think that's the what's going on internally.

And like I said, it's not an excuse. Kyrie knows better and should've said hi. But in life, I've found the notion that people are just jerks for the sake of being jerks pretty rare. Mostly it's people who are wrapped up in their own stuff. The result is the same, I just think that's what's going on with Kyrie.

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

which doesn't make sense since in the minute clip he described conversations that were more than 10 words total.

[mysteryMrE]

Last winter, my wife and I were staying at the same hotel as the Celtics. We were waiting for the next elevator and as soon as the doors opened I saw Mike and a couple other Celtics staffers. We got on the elevator as we normally would, I made some small talk, and it turned into a 5 minute conversation with him that started about basketball and turned into a much deeper conversation (my wife was 7 months pregnant at the time, so he talked about grandchildren and his family). He even graciously posed for a picture with us before moving on.

I found the Kyrie stories to be so laughable, because from my brief experience, you would be hard pressed to find a nicer guy to strike a conversation with than Mr. Gorman.

[Donoghus]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

which doesn't make sense since in the minute clip he described conversations that were more than 10 words total.

Makes a lot of sense actually.  Seems to align with the Mannix podcast.

From the Holley podcast:

"Michael, I would tell you, in the time he was with Boston, if we exchanged 10 words, it was a lot".

You can continue to nitpick the wording if you want but its pretty clear what's going on.

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

which doesn't make sense since in the minute clip he described conversations that were more than 10 words total.

Makes a lot of sense actually.  Seems to align with the Mannix podcast.

From the Holley podcast:

"Michael, I would tell you, in the time he was with Boston, if we exchanged 10 words, it was a lot".

You can continue to nitpick the wording if you want but its pretty clear what's going on.

That quote clearly implies multiple conversations.  If they only exchanged 10 word total, he would not have said "it was a lot".  It is unnecessary.  However, if they had a bunch of short conversations, that qualifier makes perfect sense.  The conversations just weren't long.  And as I indicated, he described 2 separate conversations that were more than 10 words.  They clearly had a bunch of conversations, they just weren't long.  He then described 2 or 3 times when they got on the elevator and he wasn't acknowledged.  That also implies there were times when he got on the elevator and was acknowledged or he would have worded that differently like saying something along the lines of the ONLY 2 times I got on the elevator with him he ignored me, or something like that.

[Donoghus]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

which doesn't make sense since in the minute clip he described conversations that were more than 10 words total.

Makes a lot of sense actually.  Seems to align with the Mannix podcast.

From the Holley podcast:

"Michael, I would tell you, in the time he was with Boston, if we exchanged 10 words, it was a lot".

You can continue to nitpick the wording if you want but its pretty clear what's going on.

That quote clearly implies multiple conversations.  If they only exchanged 10 word total, he would not have said "it was a lot".  It is unnecessary.  However, if they had a bunch of short conversations, that qualifier makes perfect sense.  The conversations just weren't long.  And as I indicated, he described 2 separate conversations that were more than 10 words. They clearly had a bunch of conversations, they just weren't long.  He then described 2 or 3 times when they got on the elevator and he wasn't acknowledged.  That also implies there were times when he got on the elevator and was acknowledged or he would have worded that differently like saying something along the lines of the ONLY 2 times I got on the elevator with him he ignored me, or something like that.

Where are you getting that?  One instance was Kyrie asking Gorman where the house phone in the hotel lobby was.  Another time was Kyrie walking past him and saying "I know that voice". 

Neither of those imply there was an actual conversation that entailed  That's an assumption/conclusion you're jumping to.

Gorman has always been one of the most straight shooters in the Boston media.  Two different podcasts, he pretty much states the same exact thing.   I'm taking his word for it.

[Moranis]

This seems overblown.  I mean what if 100 times he was acknowledged but twice he wasn't?   What if Kyrie had headphones on and didn't hear him?  What if Kyrie just wasn't in the mood for small talk?  So many things that could make this not be a big deal at all.

Mike wouldn’t mention anything if Irving had headphones on or acknowledged him 98% of the time.  Isn’t that obvious?

No I don't think it is obvious.  I'm sure him and Kyrie didn't talk much, but for as much as they travel, I don't think they got on the elevator only 2 times together either.

Mike said Kyrie exchanges 10 words in two years, so I think your hypotheticals are way off.  Plus, Mike isn’t the type to make this a story if this wasn’t out of the ordinary.

that isn't what he said.  He said "if we exchanged 10 words that was a lot".  That is not the same thing as only 10 words ever.  He was just saying that they had very brief exchanges and thus didn't really know Kyrie when answering the question if he liked him.

Go listen to the Gorman "Crossover" with Mannix podcast a few weeks back this exact topic is discussed.  It's 10 words in two years.  It seems pretty clear what Gorman is saying. 

"In the time that Kyrie Irving as with the Boston Celtics, I bet we didn't exchange 10 words"

which doesn't make sense since in the minute clip he described conversations that were more than 10 words total.

Makes a lot of sense actually.  Seems to align with the Mannix podcast.

From the Holley podcast:

"Michael, I would tell you, in the time he was with Boston, if we exchanged 10 words, it was a lot".

You can continue to nitpick the wording if you want but its pretty clear what's going on.

That quote clearly implies multiple conversations.  If they only exchanged 10 word total, he would not have said "it was a lot".  It is unnecessary.  However, if they had a bunch of short conversations, that qualifier makes perfect sense.  The conversations just weren't long.  And as I indicated, he described 2 separate conversations that were more than 10 words. They clearly had a bunch of conversations, they just weren't long.  He then described 2 or 3 times when they got on the elevator and he wasn't acknowledged.  That also implies there were times when he got on the elevator and was acknowledged or he would have worded that differently like saying something along the lines of the ONLY 2 times I got on the elevator with him he ignored me, or something like that.

Where are you getting that?  One instance was Kyrie asking Gorman where the house phone in the hotel lobby was.  Another time was Kyrie walking past him and saying "I know that voice". 

Neither of those imply there was an actual conversation that entailed  That's an assumption/conclusion you're jumping to.

Gorman has always been one of the most straight shooters in the Boston media.  Two different podcasts, he pretty much states the same exact thing.   I'm taking his word for it.

Those 2 "conversations" were 10+ words.  In other words more than 10 words total (though each was less than 10 words alone).  And unless you think those are the only 2 conversations they ever had then 10 words total isn't plausible at all.  However several "conversations" like that that weren't very long, makes a lot more sense especially given the language Gorman actually used. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

TP, tar.

[azzenfrost]

33.3% shooting. C'mon C's.

[tenn_smoothie]

A recent quote from Irving - just shows how self-important he views himself . Egomaniac .......

“I stand for four things: inner peace, freedom, equality and world peace. So if that is being conflicted inside of me, I am definitely going to have something to say. We as black people, uh, colored, still face oppression and are fighting for our freedom every day. America was built on protests and slavery.”

Yeah Kyrie, you and your $30 million per - just pure oppression.

[tenn_smoothie]

I get the feeling Kyrie feels very lost in the world. He doesn't know how he's supposed to be, doesn't know what or who to trust, and celebrity has just made him more isolated, generally, so he doesn't know how to reach out and doesn't know how to have the kind of interactions Gorman is talking about.

I don't meant that as an excuse but that is how I feel about him.

Excellent point. There are people who simply don’t experience the world the same way most of us do and they often find social interactions difficult. He isn’t a good leader, but I would cut him some slack on the social interactions some people just struggle is social situations.

I see your points, but it’s just basic manners to say “hi” back to someone like Gorman.  You’d have to be a real jerk to respond the way Gorman describes.

But that’s my point. People like this aren’t jerks, they really don’t understand the social cues and rules that come naturally to the rest of us. Imagine moving to a foreign country like Japan and having no clue about what to do. You don’t know when to bow or how deeply. You don’t know that it’s very rude to walk and eat at the same time or to put someone’s business card in you wallet or pocket. And people won’t explain it to you they just dismiss you as a jerk or as odd. That’s the entire world for some people. Now I don’t know Kyrie, maybe he does know and is really a jerk. I just try to have lots of sympathy and understanding for those who struggle with social interactions.

Give me a break. Quit apologizing for this guy. If he were just spacy sometimes, I might say, yes - he is socially awkward. But too many other examples of his behavior and quotes from the past two seasons clearly indicate what a selfish egomaniac he really is.