2019 Historical: How Does My Team Look Thread

[Moranis]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Voting is now open and you can vote anytime between now and 11:59:59 PM EST, tomorrow, September 6th.

As stated in a previous announcement: if everyone's ballots are in Thursday, I will reveal Friday at noon. If I have them early Friday, I will reveal Friday night at 8:00PM, otherwise it will be Saturday at noon. All times EST.

The reveal will take place in the original Historical Draft thread.

Please send me your ballot in the following format:
 
League Standings
1. Team1
2. Team2
3. Team3
...
...
...
11. Team11

Eastern Conference
1. Team
2. Team
3. Team
...
...
6. Team

Western Conference
1. Team
2. Team
3. Team
...
...
6. Team

Please rank teams in a Power Ranking format, best to worst, irregardless of Conference in League Standings. List how you feel each Conference would finish. Yes, these standings should be consistent, you're just providing the Conference info to save me some processing time

PLEASE STICK TO THIS FORMAT AS IT WILL BE EASIER TO CUT AND PASTE INTO MY SPREADSHEET

Here are the final rosters. Note Chicago's years chosen may change but you can make voting decisions based on years provided until those years change, if they do change.



Non- Participants are welcome to send in ballots. They won't count to selecting a winner but those results will be published as a bit of a comparison to how others not playing the game saw things.

TEAM ROSTERS

EASTERN CONFERENCE

BOSTON
Starters
David Robinson 1993-94
Kevin McHale 1986-87
LeBron James 2012-13
Reggie Miller 1994-95
Chauncey Billups 2005-06

Bench
Dwight Howard 2008-09
Bob McAdoo 1974-75
Rick Barry 1974-75
Allen Iverson 2000-01
Deron Williams 2009-10
Jack Sikma 1981-82
Tim Hardaway 1990-91

PHILADELPHIA
Starters
Jason Kidd 2002-03
Paul Pierce 2001-02
Larry Bird 1985-86
Karl Malone 1996-97
Patrick Ewing 1989-90

Bench
Tiny Archibald 1972-73
Sidney Moncrief 1982-83
Mark Aguirre 1986-87
Jerry Lucas 1968-69
Bob Lanier 1973-74
Andrei Kirilenko 2003-04
Fat Lever 1986-87

CHICAGO
Starters
Tim Duncan 2000-01
Oscar Robertson 1962-63
Scottie Pippen 1992-93
Elgin Baylor 1960-61
Willis Reed 1966-67

Bench
Sam Jones 1964-65
Dan Majerle 1994-95
Mitch Richmond 1994-95
Bob Cousy 1952-53
Rasheed Wallace 2005-06
Shawn Kemp 1994-95
Marcus Camby 2000-01

DETROIT
Starters
John Stockton 1989-90
John Havlicek 1971-72
Kawhi Leonard 2015-16
Elvin Hayes 1974-75
Alonzo Mourning 1998-99

Bench
Derek Harper 1989-90
Michael Copper 1986-87
Jimmy Butler 2017-18
Larry Nance 1988-89
Dikembe Mutombo 1994-95
Pete Maravich 1976-77
Hedo Turkoglu 2007-08

MIAMI
Starters
Shaquille O'Neal 2000-01
Chris Webber 2001-02
Paul George 2013-14
Dwayne Wade 2008-09
Jerry West 1969-70

Bench
Arvydas Sabonis 1999-00
Nate Thurmond 1968-69
Bobby Jones 1982-83
Detlef Shrempf 1994-95
Manu Ginobili 2007-08
Ricky Pierce 1989-90
Marcus Smart 2018-19

ATLANTA
Starters
Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67
Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11
Walt Frazier 1969-70
Paul Westphal 1978-79
Grant Hill 1996-97

Bench
George Gervin 1978-79
Ralph Sampson 1985-86
Robert Parish 1980-81
Marques Johnson 1977-78
Terry Porter 1989-90
Kevin Johnson 1988-89
Tom Chambers 1989-90


WESTERN CONFERENCE

LOS ANGELES
Starters
Steph Curry 2015-2016
Tracy McGrady 2002-2003
Julius Erving 1975-1976
Kevin Garnett 2003-2004)
Dave Cowens 1975-1976

Bench
Steve Nash 2006-2007
Eddie Jones 1999-2000
Gail Goodrich 1971-1972
Shawn Marion 2005-06
Elton Brand 2005-2006
Draymond Green 2015-2016
Artis Gilmore 1974-1975

GOLDEN STATE
Starters
Bill Russell - 1961 - 1962
Giannis - 2018 - 2019
Durant - 2017 - 2018
Bowen - 2002 - 2003
Thomas - 1989 1990

Bench
Harden - 2018-2019
Thompson - 1977 - 1978
Cunningham - 1969-1970
Heinsohn - 1961 - 1962
Embiid - 2018 2019
Schayes - 1957 - 1958
Monroe - 1967 - 1968

PORTLAND
Starters
Magic Johnson 1986-87
Clyde Drexler 1991-92
SF - James Worthy 1987-88
Charles Barkley 1989-90
Moses Malone 1982-1983,

Bench
Tony Parker 2006-07
Dennis Johnson 1978-79
Alvin Robertson 1985-86
Alex English 1982-83
Ben Wallace 2001-02
George Mikan 1949-50
Brad Daugherty 1992-93

UTAH
Starters
Joe Dumars 1989-90
Michael Jordan 1990-91
Chris Mullin 1991-92
Dennis Rodman 1989-90
Bill Walton 1967-77

Bench
Bob Pettit 1957-58
Klay Thompson 2017-18
Derrick Rose 2010-11
Andre Iguodala 2014-15
Cedric Maxwell 1980-81
Wes Unseld 1968-69
Mark Eaton 1984-85

DALLAS
Starters
Chris Paul 2008-2009
Vince Carter 2000-2001
Ron Artest 2007-2008
Anthony Davis 2017-2018
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-1971

Bench
Mark Price  1989-1990
Dell Curry 1993-1994
Ray Allen 2007-2008
Drazen Petrovic 1992-1993
Dominique Wilkens 1987-1988
Chris Bosh 2010-2011
Pau Gasol 2009-2010

SAN ANTONIO
Starters
Gary Payton 1995-96
Kobe Bryant 2007-08
Bob Dandridge 1972-73
Dave Debusscherre 1967-68
Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-94

Bench
Penny Hardaway 1994-95
Bernard King 1983-84
Carmelo Anthony 2013-14
Al Horford 2017-18
Karl Anthony Towns 2017-18
Dale Ellis 1988-89
Yao Ming 2002-03

You only have 11 in the league standings, does that mean we should not include our own team in the analysis?  I wasn't sure if we should act like we aren't involved.

[Who]

T-Mac had his best defensive season in Toronto when he was younger. The Raptors had McGrady (SF), Vince (SG) and Doug Christie (PG). Doug Christie was a top defender already and went on to further establish himself nationwide as one of the top defender's in the league while with the Sacramento Kings. But as good as Doug Christie was, Tracy McGrady was better. T-Mac was the Raptors best man defender and best team defender on the perimeter.

So McGrady certainly had the capacity to play defense at the age selected by the LA Lakers.

But when McGrady became a high usage offensive player, his defensive effort fell off. He couldn't shoulder all the responsibility on offense and still maintain the defense.

The question to me is - does McGrady's defense improve when he doesn't have to shoulder as much as offensively as he was forced to do while in Orlando and in Houston? For me, yes, I believe so.

And do you credit McGrady with that or do you look at the individual season picked and say McGrady was only a mediocre defender that year and that is the level of defense I am crediting him with.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Totally disagree. I’m standing by the fact that you cant have 5 all time greats in a starting 5 with one ball. You need all time great role players. Basketball is a team game.

You can’t have five ball hogs, but you can certainly pick five HOFers so long as they’re well-rounded.

Absolutely.  (See Dream Team I)

Sure, but you’re still relying heavily on an added amount of speculation. My intention was to make an observable, as much as possible, argument.

I don’t think it’s really any more observable. Perhaps more like a “real” NBA team, but is that the point? You’re just setting up Giannis or Durant to be double-teamed every possession, in my opinion.

You’ll double team off a 44% from the corner 3 point shooter then. This is what I am hoping for.

[nickagneta]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Voting is now open and you can vote anytime between now and 11:59:59 PM EST, tomorrow, September 6th.

As stated in a previous announcement: if everyone's ballots are in Thursday, I will reveal Friday at noon. If I have them early Friday, I will reveal Friday night at 8:00PM, otherwise it will be Saturday at noon. All times EST.

The reveal will take place in the original Historical Draft thread.

Please send me your ballot in the following format:
 
League Standings
1. Team1
2. Team2
3. Team3
...
...
...
11. Team11

Eastern Conference
1. Team
2. Team
3. Team
...
...
6. Team

Western Conference
1. Team
2. Team
3. Team
...
...
6. Team

Please rank teams in a Power Ranking format, best to worst, irregardless of Conference in League Standings. List how you feel each Conference would finish. Yes, these standings should be consistent, you're just providing the Conference info to save me some processing time

PLEASE STICK TO THIS FORMAT AS IT WILL BE EASIER TO CUT AND PASTE INTO MY SPREADSHEET

Here are the final rosters. Note Chicago's years chosen may change but you can make voting decisions based on years provided until those years change, if they do change.



Non- Participants are welcome to send in ballots. They won't count to selecting a winner but those results will be published as a bit of a comparison to how others not playing the game saw things.

TEAM ROSTERS

EASTERN CONFERENCE

BOSTON
Starters
David Robinson 1993-94
Kevin McHale 1986-87
LeBron James 2012-13
Reggie Miller 1994-95
Chauncey Billups 2005-06

Bench
Dwight Howard 2008-09
Bob McAdoo 1974-75
Rick Barry 1974-75
Allen Iverson 2000-01
Deron Williams 2009-10
Jack Sikma 1981-82
Tim Hardaway 1990-91

PHILADELPHIA
Starters
Jason Kidd 2002-03
Paul Pierce 2001-02
Larry Bird 1985-86
Karl Malone 1996-97
Patrick Ewing 1989-90

Bench
Tiny Archibald 1972-73
Sidney Moncrief 1982-83
Mark Aguirre 1986-87
Jerry Lucas 1968-69
Bob Lanier 1973-74
Andrei Kirilenko 2003-04
Fat Lever 1986-87

CHICAGO
Starters
Tim Duncan 2000-01
Oscar Robertson 1962-63
Scottie Pippen 1992-93
Elgin Baylor 1960-61
Willis Reed 1966-67

Bench
Sam Jones 1964-65
Dan Majerle 1994-95
Mitch Richmond 1994-95
Bob Cousy 1952-53
Rasheed Wallace 2005-06
Shawn Kemp 1994-95
Marcus Camby 2000-01

DETROIT
Starters
John Stockton 1989-90
John Havlicek 1971-72
Kawhi Leonard 2015-16
Elvin Hayes 1974-75
Alonzo Mourning 1998-99

Bench
Derek Harper 1989-90
Michael Copper 1986-87
Jimmy Butler 2017-18
Larry Nance 1988-89
Dikembe Mutombo 1994-95
Pete Maravich 1976-77
Hedo Turkoglu 2007-08

MIAMI
Starters
Shaquille O'Neal 2000-01
Chris Webber 2001-02
Paul George 2013-14
Dwayne Wade 2008-09
Jerry West 1969-70

Bench
Arvydas Sabonis 1999-00
Nate Thurmond 1968-69
Bobby Jones 1982-83
Detlef Shrempf 1994-95
Manu Ginobili 2007-08
Ricky Pierce 1989-90
Marcus Smart 2018-19

ATLANTA
Starters
Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67
Dirk Nowitzki 2010-11
Walt Frazier 1969-70
Paul Westphal 1978-79
Grant Hill 1996-97

Bench
George Gervin 1978-79
Ralph Sampson 1985-86
Robert Parish 1980-81
Marques Johnson 1977-78
Terry Porter 1989-90
Kevin Johnson 1988-89
Tom Chambers 1989-90


WESTERN CONFERENCE

LOS ANGELES
Starters
Steph Curry 2015-2016
Tracy McGrady 2002-2003
Julius Erving 1975-1976
Kevin Garnett 2003-2004)
Dave Cowens 1975-1976

Bench
Steve Nash 2006-2007
Eddie Jones 1999-2000
Gail Goodrich 1971-1972
Shawn Marion 2005-06
Elton Brand 2005-2006
Draymond Green 2015-2016
Artis Gilmore 1974-1975

GOLDEN STATE
Starters
Bill Russell - 1961 - 1962
Giannis - 2018 - 2019
Durant - 2017 - 2018
Bowen - 2002 - 2003
Thomas - 1989 1990

Bench
Harden - 2018-2019
Thompson - 1977 - 1978
Cunningham - 1969-1970
Heinsohn - 1961 - 1962
Embiid - 2018 2019
Schayes - 1957 - 1958
Monroe - 1967 - 1968

PORTLAND
Starters
Magic Johnson 1986-87
Clyde Drexler 1991-92
SF - James Worthy 1987-88
Charles Barkley 1989-90
Moses Malone 1982-1983,

Bench
Tony Parker 2006-07
Dennis Johnson 1978-79
Alvin Robertson 1985-86
Alex English 1982-83
Ben Wallace 2001-02
George Mikan 1949-50
Brad Daugherty 1992-93

UTAH
Starters
Joe Dumars 1989-90
Michael Jordan 1990-91
Chris Mullin 1991-92
Dennis Rodman 1989-90
Bill Walton 1967-77

Bench
Bob Pettit 1957-58
Klay Thompson 2017-18
Derrick Rose 2010-11
Andre Iguodala 2014-15
Cedric Maxwell 1980-81
Wes Unseld 1968-69
Mark Eaton 1984-85

DALLAS
Starters
Chris Paul 2008-2009
Vince Carter 2000-2001
Ron Artest 2007-2008
Anthony Davis 2017-2018
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-1971

Bench
Mark Price  1989-1990
Dell Curry 1993-1994
Ray Allen 2007-2008
Drazen Petrovic 1992-1993
Dominique Wilkens 1987-1988
Chris Bosh 2010-2011
Pau Gasol 2009-2010

SAN ANTONIO
Starters
Gary Payton 1995-96
Kobe Bryant 2007-08
Bob Dandridge 1972-73
Dave Debusscherre 1967-68
Hakeem Olajuwon 1993-94

Bench
Penny Hardaway 1994-95
Bernard King 1983-84
Carmelo Anthony 2013-14
Al Horford 2017-18
Karl Anthony Towns 2017-18
Dale Ellis 1988-89
Yao Ming 2002-03

You only have 11 in the league standings, does that mean we should not include our own team in the analysis?  I wasn't sure if we should act like we aren't involved.

Yes, do not include your team. Per the rules posted before the game

Once you have submitted your final roster, you will be able to discuss why your team is the best in this thread up until your votes will be required to be PMed to the commissioner on Sept 6th at midnight EST. There will be two conferences of 6 teams. Your votes will include rankings for each conference and top 11 best teams...11 because you can't vote for your own team.

[Somebody]

Totally disagree. I’m standing by the fact that you cant have 5 all time greats in a starting 5 with one ball. You need all time great role players. Basketball is a team game.

You can’t have five ball hogs, but you can certainly pick five HOFers so long as they’re well-rounded.

Absolutely.  (See Dream Team I)

Sure, but you’re still relying heavily on an added amount of speculation. My intention was to make an observable, as much as possible, argument.

I don’t think it’s really any more observable. Perhaps more like a “real” NBA team, but is that the point? You’re just setting up Giannis or Durant to be double-teamed every possession, in my opinion.

You’ll double team off a 44% from the corner 3 point shooter then. This is what I am hoping for.

To be fair teams can run schemes to have Bowen's man cheat off of him and run him off the three point line when he gets the ball without much fear of him doing major damage off the dribble. Don't hate the fit you have though.

[nickagneta]

ANNOUNCEMENT

To follow up on ballots rules:

Rank every team but yours.

Do not publish your ballot in the HDMTL Thread. I will be making everyone's ballot public after the draft.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Totally disagree. I’m standing by the fact that you cant have 5 all time greats in a starting 5 with one ball. You need all time great role players. Basketball is a team game.

You can’t have five ball hogs, but you can certainly pick five HOFers so long as they’re well-rounded.

Absolutely.  (See Dream Team I)

Sure, but you’re still relying heavily on an added amount of speculation. My intention was to make an observable, as much as possible, argument.

I don’t think it’s really any more observable. Perhaps more like a “real” NBA team, but is that the point? You’re just setting up Giannis or Durant to be double-teamed every possession, in my opinion.

You’ll double team off a 44% from the corner 3 point shooter then. This is what I am hoping for.

To be fair teams can run schemes to have Bowen's man cheat off of him and run him off the three point line when he gets the ball without much fear of him doing major damage off the dribble. Don't hate the fit you have though.

So you mean they’ll be in rotation and playing catch up?

[nickagneta]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

[Moranis]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

Good thing Ben Wallace played as a PF then, starting PF for a few years even.  Even the year I selected bball-ref has him at PF 19% of the time (which actually makes sense since the Pistons had 484 minutes too many from their 4 main centers that year meaning Ben had to be on the floor with Rebraca, Moore, and Alexander and Ben was clearly the PF in those situations). 

[Donoghus]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

I agree on your first point about starters.

Your second point is more of a gray area, case-by-case issue for me unless its something egregious like assuming a SG can drop down to play PF against these historical frontcourts.  Something along those lines.

[Roy H.]

Totally disagree. I’m standing by the fact that you cant have 5 all time greats in a starting 5 with one ball. You need all time great role players. Basketball is a team game.

You can’t have five ball hogs, but you can certainly pick five HOFers so long as they’re well-rounded.

Absolutely.  (See Dream Team I)

Sure, but you’re still relying heavily on an added amount of speculation. My intention was to make an observable, as much as possible, argument.

I don’t think it’s really any more observable. Perhaps more like a “real” NBA team, but is that the point? You’re just setting up Giannis or Durant to be double-teamed every possession, in my opinion.

You’ll double team off a 44% from the corner 3 point shooter then. This is what I am hoping for.

But he only scores around six points per game. Couple that with Russell’s weak scoring, and your team is easy to defend compared to others.

[nickagneta]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

Good thing Ben Wallace played as a PF then, starting PF for a few years even.  Even the year I selected bball-ref has him at PF 19% of the time (which actually makes sense since the Pistons had 484 minutes too many from their 4 main centers that year meaning Ben had to be on the floor with Rebraca, Moore, and Alexander and Ben was clearly the PF in those situations).

Yeah, guys like Wallace, McHale, Duncan, Rodman, Hondo, Iverson, guys that were known for playing two positions, those guys are not guys I am talking about here.

One example that was discussed at some length early in the game was Silky saying he would play Hakeem at PF. That is what I am talking about.

One example I see right off is Elgin Baylor at SG. The guy was a SF that played big. He was never a SG, so I will look at that as a negative for Chicago.

[Roy H.]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

Good thing Ben Wallace played as a PF then, starting PF for a few years even.  Even the year I selected bball-ref has him at PF 19% of the time (which actually makes sense since the Pistons had 484 minutes too many from their 4 main centers that year meaning Ben had to be on the floor with Rebraca, Moore, and Alexander and Ben was clearly the PF in those situations).

Yeah, guys like Wallace, McHale, Duncan, Rodman, Hondo, Iverson, guys that were known for playing two positions, those guys are not guys I am talking about here.

One example that was discussed at some length early in the game was Silky saying he would play Hakeem at PF. That is what I am talking about.

One example I see right off is Elgin Baylor at SG. The guy was a SF that played big. He was never a SG, so I will look at that as a negative for Chicago.

I don’t know enough about the Hakeem / Sampson pair, so maybe Hakeem played some PF. He was listed as the center even on that team, though, so agreed.

Agreed on Baylor.

Question:  are we evaluating teams as if they played a tournament, or is it a full regular season plus playoffs? The latter would make both depth and certain position decisions more relevant.

[nickagneta]

There are two things that, I have to say, I hold negatively against teams right out of the gate:

If you are using a non "All-Time Great", a player in your rotation that, in my opinion, doesn't belong in this game, I am marking your team down because of it.

Also, if you are using a player out of a position they played exclusively in their career, I am marking you down. (Here I am not talking a player that played in different positions in their years. I am talking like someone being a center their whole career and trying to make them a PF.)

People may not agree with this, but it's what I do.

Good thing Ben Wallace played as a PF then, starting PF for a few years even.  Even the year I selected bball-ref has him at PF 19% of the time (which actually makes sense since the Pistons had 484 minutes too many from their 4 main centers that year meaning Ben had to be on the floor with Rebraca, Moore, and Alexander and Ben was clearly the PF in those situations).

Yeah, guys like Wallace, McHale, Duncan, Rodman, Hondo, Iverson, guys that were known for playing two positions, those guys are not guys I am talking about here.

One example that was discussed at some length early in the game was Silky saying he would play Hakeem at PF. That is what I am talking about.

One example I see right off is Elgin Baylor at SG. The guy was a SF that played big. He was never a SG, so I will look at that as a negative for Chicago.

I don’t know enough about the Hakeem / Sampson pair, so maybe Hakeem played some PF. He was listed as the center even on that team, though, so agreed.

Agreed on Baylor.

Question:  are we evaluating teams as if they played a tournament, or is it a full regular season plus playoffs? The latter would make both depth and certain position decisions more relevant.

Full regular season. And playoffs in just a 12 team league will just be between conference champions. So by having a team ranked #1, your vote is that team to win the title and their conference. The highest ranked team from the other conference is that conference champions.

Just keeping it simple. But, yeah, assume an entire season.

[Silky]

T-Mac had his best defensive season in Toronto when he was younger. The Raptors had McGrady (SF), Vince (SG) and Doug Christie (PG). Doug Christie was a top defender already and went on to further establish himself nationwide as one of the top defender's in the league while with the Sacramento Kings. But as good as Doug Christie was, Tracy McGrady was better. T-Mac was the Raptors best man defender and best team defender on the perimeter.

So McGrady certainly had the capacity to play defense at the age selected by the LA Lakers.

But when McGrady became a high usage offensive player, his defensive effort fell off. He couldn't shoulder all the responsibility on offense and still maintain the defense.

The question to me is - does McGrady's defense improve when he doesn't have to shoulder as much as offensively as he was forced to do while in Orlando and in Houston? For me, yes, I believe so.

And do you credit McGrady with that or do you look at the individual season picked and say McGrady was only a mediocre defender that year and that is the level of defense I am crediting him with.

I looked at year selected and look at that. for me at least, having numbers makes it easier to compare teams. Everything else is just personal feelings, opinions of players and assumptions.

If McGrady, and I use McGrady only as an example, put up 30ppg and had league average defense, then that is what you are getting on your super team. otherwise if you assume his defense is better then his offense needs to get worse. Cause when McGrady was a great defender, he didnt score 30ppg, if I remember correctly, he didnt even score 20ppg.