Would you trade Hayward+Memphis pick+2020 C's pick for Steven Adams?

[MichiganAdam]

If we traded Hayward, it would need to be for a top 10 PF, not a center.  As stated on here, we have 5 centers, and really no starting PF.  We will play small, and RUN the big teams into going small.  As tough as it would be for GH or JT to guard Big Al, I can see the same problem in reverse when the C's run the ball, or JT pulls AL to the perimeter and drives by him.  76ers have overpowering size.  The best way to beat them is either join them, which the C'scan't do, or run,run,run and burn out that size. 

[Birdman]

No one gotta touch Hayward contract

[Jvalin]

Big no from me. I'd consider it without the Memphis pick though.

One player I'd like us to go after in a possible Hayward trade is Otto Porter. Shot 48.8% from three, 48.3% from the floor and 90.6% from the free throw line last season for the Bulls (albeit in just 15 games). As things stand right now, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. Porter is the ideal off-ball player, hence I reckon he'd be a better fit than Hayward next to Kemba-Tatum-Brown and Kanter.

[tonydelk]

Big no from me. I'd consider it without the Memphis pick though.

One player I'd like us to go after in a possible Hayward trade is Otto Porter. Shot 48.8% from three, 48.3% from the floor and 90.6% from the free throw line last season for the Bulls (albeit in just 15 games). As things stand right now, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. Porter is the ideal off-ball player, hence I reckon he'd be a better fit than Hayward next to Kemba-Tatum-Brown and Kanter.

Absolutely positively no.  I can't wait for the season to start for Hayward to shut people up.  All of the trade ideas with him, Smart, Brown just have to stop.  I like Adams but he's not worth his contract and I value Hayward way more then Adams.  I really want to see what the C's have with this team.  I don't really see the need to make any type of moves right now.  Develop the young guys and build some chemistry.  Use the picks next year to keep adding pieces. 

[Jvalin]

Big no from me. I'd consider it without the Memphis pick though.

One player I'd like us to go after in a possible Hayward trade is Otto Porter. Shot 48.8% from three, 48.3% from the floor and 90.6% from the free throw line last season for the Bulls (albeit in just 15 games). As things stand right now, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. Porter is the ideal off-ball player, hence I reckon he'd be a better fit than Hayward next to Kemba-Tatum-Brown and Kanter.

Absolutely positively no.  I can't wait for the season to start for Hayward to shut people up.  All of the trade ideas with him, Smart, Brown just have to stop.  I like Adams but he's not worth his contract and I value Hayward way more then Adams.  I really want to see what the C's have with this team.  I don't really see the need to make any type of moves right now.  Develop the young guys and build some chemistry.  Use the picks next year to keep adding pieces.

Good luck trying to build some chemistry with 5 alpha males sharing the offensive load. Again, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. That's a huge chemistry issue. It's even worse than last season, cause at least we had Horford who is a willing off-ball player.

Not saying Porter is a better player than Hayward. All I'm saying is, he'd be a better fit for us.

I like Adams but he's not worth his contract

Neither is Hayward.

[Birdman]

This may be one of the most lopsided poll ever..Memphis pick is too valuable

[Fafnir]

Memphis pick is too valuable

Yeah its the one golden ticket we have left beyond our current roster to acquire an elite player. (either via trade or using it)

[Evantime34]

I wouldn't do Steven Adams for Hayward straight up. When Hayward returns to form to begin the season, his value will surpass Adams.

[NKY fan]

Big no from me. I'd consider it without the Memphis pick though.

One player I'd like us to go after in a possible Hayward trade is Otto Porter. Shot 48.8% from three, 48.3% from the floor and 90.6% from the free throw line last season for the Bulls (albeit in just 15 games). As things stand right now, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. Porter is the ideal off-ball player, hence I reckon he'd be a better fit than Hayward next to Kemba-Tatum-Brown and Kanter.

Absolutely positively no.  I can't wait for the season to start for Hayward to shut people up.  All of the trade ideas with him, Smart, Brown just have to stop.  I like Adams but he's not worth his contract and I value Hayward way more then Adams.  I really want to see what the C's have with this team.  I don't really see the need to make any type of moves right now.  Develop the young guys and build some chemistry.  Use the picks next year to keep adding pieces.

Good luck trying to build some chemistry with 5 alpha males sharing the offensive load. Again, none of our starters likes to play off the ball on offense. That's a huge chemistry issue. It's even worse than last season, cause at least we had Horford who is a willing off-ball player.

Not saying Porter is a better player than Hayward. All I'm saying is, he'd be a better fit for us.

I like Adams but he's not worth his contract

Neither is Hayward.

Jvalin,
It’s hard to explain the concept of contract value to some celtic fans... some on here think that they can trade Hayward plus one pick for Towns.
It’s like everyone thinks that they own a million dollar house when they live in a blue collar neighborhood..

[Wretch]

Adams contract is considered a bad contract. The Thunder will have to include compensation to get rid of it. GH's contract is bad because he got hurt not because he was overpaid for his skill set. If GH is 90% of Utah GH then it's a good, not great FA signing. If GH recovery is 100% he's an all-star. If Adams is 100% and doesn't decline or get hurt he's not an all-star and his contract is still an overpay and bad.

[gpap]

Adams contract is considered a bad contract. The Thunder will have to include compensation to get rid of it. GH's contract is bad because he got hurt not because he was overpaid for his skill set. If GH is 90% of Utah GH then it's a good, not great FA signing. If GH recovery is 100% he's an all-star. If Adams is 100% and doesn't decline or get hurt he's not an all-star and his contract is still an overpay and bad.

This is the remaining amount on Adam's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    26    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697($72,471,910)
2020-21    Contract details by year    27    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090($100,000,000)

This is the remaining amount on Hayward's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    29    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690($93,642,885)
2020-21    Contract details by year    30    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085($127,829,970)
Contract Notes:

    15% Trade Kicker

How is Adam's contract any worse than Hayward's?

[Rosco917]

I'll pass on that one. We're going to need Haywards basketball IQ this year especially with Horford gone. Besides we need a power forward.

[nickagneta]

Adams contract is considered a bad contract. The Thunder will have to include compensation to get rid of it. GH's contract is bad because he got hurt not because he was overpaid for his skill set. If GH is 90% of Utah GH then it's a good, not great FA signing. If GH recovery is 100% he's an all-star. If Adams is 100% and doesn't decline or get hurt he's not an all-star and his contract is still an overpay and bad.

This is the remaining amount on Adam's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    26    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697($72,471,910)
2020-21    Contract details by year    27    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090($100,000,000)

This is the remaining amount on Hayward's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    29    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690($93,642,885)
2020-21    Contract details by year    30    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085($127,829,970)
Contract Notes:

    15% Trade Kicker

How is Adam's contract any worse than Hayward's?

Perceived lower future value.

Adams has maxed out his capabilities and really will never be worth $25+ million a year even if he plays his best basketball. Hayward, if he returns to past performance, would be worth his contract. It's not a guarantee Hayward returns to his past performances, but there is a better chance of that happening than there is Adams living up to that contract.

[Fierce1]

I'll pass on that one. We're going to need Haywards basketball IQ this year especially with Horford gone. Besides we need a power forward.

Best available PF right now is Kevin Love.

The question is do the Celts want Love's contract?

[Wretch]

Adams contract is considered a bad contract. The Thunder will have to include compensation to get rid of it. GH's contract is bad because he got hurt not because he was overpaid for his skill set. If GH is 90% of Utah GH then it's a good, not great FA signing. If GH recovery is 100% he's an all-star. If Adams is 100% and doesn't decline or get hurt he's not an all-star and his contract is still an overpay and bad.

This is the remaining amount on Adam's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    26    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697    $25,842,697($72,471,910)
2020-21    Contract details by year    27    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090    $27,528,090($100,000,000)

This is the remaining amount on Hayward's contract
2019-20    Contract details by year    29    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690    $32,700,690($93,642,885)
2020-21    Contract details by year    30    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085    $34,187,085($127,829,970)
Contract Notes:

    15% Trade Kicker

How is Adam's contract any worse than Hayward's?

because 30+ million is the going rate for all stars with the potential to be all stars going forward.  Adams is an elite role player but is not likely to be an all-star. His contract made sense for OKC at the time because of their timeline with RW and PG but in a vacuum it's a bad contract.