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Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2019, 04:20:52 PM »

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My only real concerns with the Celtics are can Tatum take his place behind Hayward in the pecking order and can Smart do the same for Jaylen.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2019, 04:25:22 PM »

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My only real concerns with the Celtics are can Tatum take his place behind Hayward in the pecking order and can Smart do the same for Jaylen.
Smart has done it in the past, I have no doubt he will again. He isn't really taking a place behind anyone. I don't believe he'll be on the floor at the beginning of the game every night, but, most of the time, come last 2-4 minutes of the game, Smart will be on the floor.



Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2019, 04:27:11 PM »

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Too much overlap (3 star SFs).

Stars? Really? I just... I'm sorry, I don't see that in their current levels of play.

If anything, there's an air of entitlement at that position. All those guys expect to be starters and/or get big minutes, whether they deserve it or not (although you can make an argument in Jaylen's favor in that regard given his turnaround at the end of last season). That's why I hope we go into training camp with guys ready to compete for their roles. If Gordon shows up and he's ready to be the 2nd scoring option we need behind Kemba, you give it to him. But if Brad's boy still isn't ready and Tatum looks the part, give it to him. Likewise, if Tatum comes in doing his worst Kobe impression but Jaylen looks ready to take the leap, make him your guy. But if Jaylen is mentally AWOL to start the season again, then Smart should start over him. The way I see it, Kemba is the only surefire starter on this roster. Maybe even Kanter. Everyone else should have to earn it.

This is how I look at those guys:

Jaylen Brown = at his current level of play, is already able to be the 3rd best player on a title contender. He is a star. He doesn't get enough credit. His play warrants more attention than he gets.

Gordon Hayward = not ready to rule him out as a star yet. We'll see what he has to offer next year. If he is dud again like last year, then I'll write him off as a star. And those concerns I have with Tatum and Jaylen getting enough offensive opportunities will be out the door as well. But I am going to wait until a couple of months into the season before I make that call. For now, he is still a star. Based on his past level of performances rather than his current ones.

Jayson Tatum = he is a star in name more than play. You can see the way people talk about him. Kemba saying Tatum was a big reason why he joined the team. The way Kyrie Irving talked about Tatum. The way other league executives talk about Tatum. Tatum is a star. His play on the court isn't there yet but he is a star anyway because of what his future offers.

I said current level and you pointed out why Gordon is a star based on his past and Tatum is a star based on his future, lol. I'm not saying Tatum doesn't have potential. But I think he's a great prospect, not a star right now.

As far as Jaylen, I don't think he's shown he can be the 3rd best player on a championship team. Not consistently, anyway. That's a role that's been played by guys like Chris Bosh, Klay Thompson, and Kevin Love over the past few years. I don't see him on that level.

I know we all want these guys to be stars, but that doesn't mean they actually are.
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Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2019, 05:02:53 PM »

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Not discontent, but more like apathy or indifference towards being a Celtic. It's an understandable result to being in trade speculations year round. It was very similar with Ray, but he turned spiteful towards the organization and ended up taking less to play with the enemy. Danny has to be careful what types of seeds he's sowing by keeping certain guys in trade rumors and speculations year round. I think honesty is the best policy in life, but when dealing with emotions guys don't want to hear about getting traded for upgrades.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2019, 05:08:25 PM »

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Wasn't it Tatum's friendship with Kemba that helped bring convince kemba to come to Boston??
But now tatum is unhappy with things? That doesn't add up.
Sounds like people are trying to read too much into the Boston tea leaves. Just because he hasn't reached out via social media to the rooks, doesn't mean he has been in contact with them. It just seems to me Tatum has been laying low this summer. Not a ton of videos of him working out, but yet everyone says he is. You sure this hot take didn't come out of Nick Wrights mouth first? Sounds more like the garbage that guy is usually selling.

 

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2019, 05:38:04 PM »

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I think all of this talk is way premature.  Let the guys have their summer break.  If Tatum doesn't want to spend much time on social media, well then good for him!  Everyone doesn't need to be documenting their every move on social media.  If someone goes quiet for a while, so what.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2019, 05:46:07 PM »

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Just yesterday didn't ESPN run the story that Tatum said he would average 20 a game, make the finals, and win a championship this year?

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2019, 05:46:39 PM »

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It's sad but with player movement this is the kind of thing every team has to worry about. Yes, we control his rights, but it doesn't mean much if a player is unhappy and wants to leave. All it means is you might be able to get something back in a trade at least.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2019, 06:38:15 PM »

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Too much overlap (3 star SFs).

Stars? Really? I just... I'm sorry, I don't see that in their current levels of play.

If anything, there's an air of entitlement at that position. All those guys expect to be starters and/or get big minutes, whether they deserve it or not (although you can make an argument in Jaylen's favor in that regard given his turnaround at the end of last season). That's why I hope we go into training camp with guys ready to compete for their roles. If Gordon shows up and he's ready to be the 2nd scoring option we need behind Kemba, you give it to him. But if Brad's boy still isn't ready and Tatum looks the part, give it to him. Likewise, if Tatum comes in doing his worst Kobe impression but Jaylen looks ready to take the leap, make him your guy. But if Jaylen is mentally AWOL to start the season again, then Smart should start over him. The way I see it, Kemba is the only surefire starter on this roster. Maybe even Kanter. Everyone else should have to earn it.

This is how I look at those guys:

Jaylen Brown = at his current level of play, is already able to be the 3rd best player on a title contender. He is a star. He doesn't get enough credit. His play warrants more attention than he gets.

Gordon Hayward = not ready to rule him out as a star yet. We'll see what he has to offer next year. If he is dud again like last year, then I'll write him off as a star. And those concerns I have with Tatum and Jaylen getting enough offensive opportunities will be out the door as well. But I am going to wait until a couple of months into the season before I make that call. For now, he is still a star. Based on his past level of performances rather than his current ones.

Jayson Tatum = he is a star in name more than play. You can see the way people talk about him. Kemba saying Tatum was a big reason why he joined the team. The way Kyrie Irving talked about Tatum. The way other league executives talk about Tatum. Tatum is a star. His play on the court isn't there yet but he is a star anyway because of what his future offers.

I said current level and you pointed out why Gordon is a star based on his past and Tatum is a star based on his future, lol. I'm not saying Tatum doesn't have potential. But I think he's a great prospect, not a star right now.

As far as Jaylen, I don't think he's shown he can be the 3rd best player on a championship team. Not consistently, anyway. That's a role that's been played by guys like Chris Bosh, Klay Thompson, and Kevin Love over the past few years. I don't see him on that level.

I know we all want these guys to be stars, but that doesn't mean they actually are.

What I am trying to say is --- it's not just current level of play that defines whether someone is a star or not. I agree with you, Hayward obviously wasn't last season and I don't think Tatum was either.

I do think Jaylen Brown was after his slow start. He just got lost in the mix of all that selfishness around him and didn't get enough attention for how well he was playing. Which happens a lot with Jaylen. He is quietly effective and often doesn't get the credit he deserves.

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To continue on with that ... You can't treat Tatum just as a prospect anymore. He has already transcended that role in the views of people around the league. That is important. How he is viewed is important. He is clearly considered a star around the league. He is considered it by his peers (like Kemba) and other execs around the league.

You can't then come back and treat him just like he is a prospect. He is beyond that now.

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Tatum has already accomplished so much (as has Jaylen) where he is on the cusp of stardom and room has to be created to make room for them in expanding roles. To allow them to continue to grow and develop. That has to be in-built into the team's plans moving forward.

If you don't do that, then development / progress of a player can stall.

You have to make room for young talent. To allow them to blossom.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2019, 06:41:11 PM »

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Our bench is really thin and doesn't have one decent, established NBA scorer on it.


You could say the same about most NBA teams.

Bench isn't really relevant, insofar as starting this guy or that one. You'll almost always see 2-3 starters on the floor with 2-3 reserves. It'll be a rare case where you see 5 reserves playing at once, other than at garbage time.

That was my point. Tatum and Brown will be the scorers in those units. It's not like we have Lou Williams in our second unit.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #40 on: July 26, 2019, 07:14:21 PM »

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I hope Tatum STAYS quiet, mum...whatever.

He is a young father and he's probably spending time with his son....God knows they do NOT stay small forever............

Enjoy yourself, Young Star. You've got some heavy lifting to do for BOS next season and I believe he'll be just fine.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2019, 07:41:46 PM »

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Not discontent, but more like apathy or indifference towards being a Celtic. It's an understandable result to being in trade speculations year round. It was very similar with Ray, but he turned spiteful towards the organization and ended up taking less to play with the enemy. Danny has to be careful what types of seeds he's sowing by keeping certain guys in trade rumors and speculations year round. I think honesty is the best policy in life, but when dealing with emotions guys don't want to hear about getting traded for upgrades.

Wasn't it just written that opposing teams were asking for Tatum but got shut down? If you are in Rumors that doesnt mean your GM is shopping you. It could also mean that you are that wanted around the league.

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2019, 07:45:23 PM »

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Just yesterday didn't ESPN run the story that Tatum said he would average 20 a game, make the finals, and win a championship this year?

I don't know about the rest of it, but averaging 20 per game and getting an All-Star berth doesn't seem crazy.

We gotta hope Tatum follows a Chris Bosh / Dwight Howard type trajectory.  Those guys significantly upped their scoring and minutes played in year 3 at age 21 and earned their first All-Star selection.
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Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2019, 09:11:42 PM »

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Ahhhhhh.....the favorite pastime of modern society....judging how a person might have an opinion on something based on social media posts.

Trying to gauge feelings on a platform devoid of feelings...the ultimate challenge! :)

Re: Hint that Tatum may not be happy
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2019, 09:16:24 PM »

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His entire rookie year he barely posted about the Celtics

What's the difference? Its his way of communicating

What exactly are you inferring he would be unhappy about? He's a starter on a team that made serious playoff runs