Hint that Tatum may not be happy

[shut_the_gate]

On the most recent Bill Simmons Podcast a listener wrote in with a seriously interesting observation, since the season has ended Jayson Tatum has not posted or shared any connection with current Celtics. There was no congratulations for any of our incoming rookies nor welcome to the Celtics for Kemba or Kanter...but there was tweets for Rozier getting his money elsewhere and Morris signing with Knicks.

For someone who does share a lot of his life on YouTube, Instagram and Twitter, this could very well be that he isn’t happy about being shopped for Davis and how the Irving situation went (given his closeness to Kyrie).

[Tr1boy]

On the most recent Bill Simmons Podcast a listener wrote in with a seriously interesting observation, since the season has ended Jayson Tatum has not posted or shared any connection with current Celtics. There was no congratulations for any of our incoming rookies nor welcome to the Celtics for Kemba or Kanter...but there was tweets for Rozier getting his money elsewhere and Morris signing with Knicks.

For someone who does share a lot of his life on YouTube, Instagram and Twitter, this could very well be that he isn’t happy about being shopped for Davis and how the Irving situation went (given his closeness to Kyrie).

That caller is "reaching" and BS is being naive (or going along with it)

-Tatum recruited Walker to the Celtics

-Also see below
https://youtu.be/loo7PUdav28

[Tr1boy]

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[Who]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

[JBcat]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

There are days I wish we signed Griffin instead of Hayward because of this, but I want to see how this all this plays out with a healthy Hayward.  He may take on more of role initiating the offense role ala Horford, and help gets shots for the other 3.

Walker and Hayward are also fast approaching 30 so this may not be a long term problem anyway.  Small guards typically don’t age well so we may only see a couple years of very high level play from Walker before he settles into a secondary role.  I could also see Hayward as he enters his 30s taking the 6th man role ala Havlicek for the benefit of the team.  So this may only be a roughly 2 year problem anyway, and by then Brown and Tatum will be approaching their mid 20s ready to take on more responsibility.  By then hopefully we’ll know if they are fully up to the task to take the reigns of the team.  That’s if there aren’t any major changes along the way of course.

Edit: not having Rozier and Morris around is also going to help.

[LilRip]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

On the contrary, I think Tatum is actually in a pretty good spot. Hes likely going to see a significant increase in usage this year and the team didn’t trade him for AD. I think Hayward takes a big step forward in minutes, touches, as well as a starting role, but I think Tatum ends up scoring more this year (20ppg wouldn’t surprise me).

Brown, OTOH, I can see being frustrated. The fact that there’s debate if either he or Smart should start, the fact that he came off the bench last year, that he’ll probably be the one who’ll have to adjust the most again with a healthy Hayward... I can see him wanting to leave so he can reach his potential.

[OhioGreen]

Fans have to realize that we are "FANS", and live and die with feelings for our beloved players.  The players aren't!  They play for money, greed, their name brand, and have no allegiance to the city or to us, farther than what their skills can make for themselves.
The Celtics of the Red and Bill Russell era probably had 6 or 7 guys who COULD HAVE scored 20 points per game, yet sacrificed for the team and each other to attain their goals of championships.
Todays athlete is a completely different beast.  Get over it!  Your favorite players couldn't care less about YOU or Boston!

[gpap]

This sounds like speculation but even if Tatum is "unhappy" then that's too bad.

He needs to improve his play next season to be considered this "great up and coming player" as he's being labeled as because last season he did not play well (and I think the Anthony Davis trade rumors affecting him are an excuse. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart seemed to adjust just fine.)

[PhoSita]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

Tell me, what happens when scorers, especially very young ones, are placed on teams with a bunch of low usage players that can't create shots?

Havent we seen THAT type of situation, time and time again, lead to frustration?


Let's be real. Anything could result in the players being unhappy, especially if the team isn't winning a lot of games.

Let's not pretend that we can predict how these players are gonna feel.

[IDreamCeltics]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

On the contrary, I think Tatum is actually in a pretty good spot. Hes likely going to see a significant increase in usage this year and the team didn’t trade him for AD. I think Hayward takes a big step forward in minutes, touches, as well as a starting role, but I think Tatum ends up scoring more this year (20ppg wouldn’t surprise me).

Brown, OTOH, I can see being frustrated. The fact that there’s debate if either he or Smart should start, the fact that he came off the bench last year, that he’ll probably be the one who’ll have to adjust the most again with a healthy Hayward... I can see him wanting to leave so he can reach his potential.

i think Who's whole point was that Kemba is going to soak up Kyrie's former usage and Brad has 32 million reasons to continue to force-feed Gordon Hayward the ball.

That leaves Tatum as the third offensive option competing with Kanter/Brown/and Smart for touches.

Not exactly the ideal scenario for a young wing. 

I do absolutely agree with you on Brown getting fed up with the direction of the team.   He's watched Ben Simmons and Jamal Murray (2 guys in his draft class) sign multi-year 170 million dollar extensions and is still being considered for a bench roll going into his contract year. 

[nickagneta]

Ahhhhhh.....the favorite pastime of modern society....judging how a person might have an opinion on something based on social media posts.

[Rosco917]

That's a shame...

[bellerephon]

I don't see it but I do see the foundation being built here for Tatum to become discontented in the near future. Kemba Walker is a high usage shot happy PG who will take opportunities away from Tatum. Hayward should improve over last season and be closer to he was before the injury. That will take opportunities away from Tatum.

Tatum will do well here next to these two guys but I don't think he will flourish / excel next to them. I believe he needs more opportunities in the offense. More touches. More opportunities to experiment as a scorer, ball-handler and playmaker. More room to find himself in this league. To develop his game.

And I do not think he is going to get that next to these other players that Ainge has put together.

I can see a frustration building within Tatum (and Jaylen Brown) over the next year or two. There is just too much redundancy on this team. Too many medium efficiency 20ppg scorers (4 of them). Too much overlap (3 star SFs). Role players who will need touches & shots (Kanter, Edwards ... to a lesser degree, Smart & G-Williams). This team is horribly badly balanced.

There is a framework in place here for unhappiness to develop.

It hasn't developed yet. I do not think Tatum or anyone else is unhappy.

But I do think those days will come if Ainge doesn't sort out this badly constructed roster in the next 12-18 months.

On the contrary, I think Tatum is actually in a pretty good spot. Hes likely going to see a significant increase in usage this year and the team didn’t trade him for AD. I think Hayward takes a big step forward in minutes, touches, as well as a starting role, but I think Tatum ends up scoring more this year (20ppg wouldn’t surprise me).

Brown, OTOH, I can see being frustrated. The fact that there’s debate if either he or Smart should start, the fact that he came off the bench last year, that he’ll probably be the one who’ll have to adjust the most again with a healthy Hayward... I can see him wanting to leave so he can reach his potential.

i think Who's whole point was that Kemba is going to soak up Kyrie's former usage and Brad has 32 million reasons to continue to force-feed Gordon Hayward the ball.

That leaves Tatum as the third offensive option competing with Kanter/Brown/and Smart for touches.

Not exactly the ideal scenario for a young wing. 

I do absolutely agree with you on Brown getting fed up with the direction of the team.   He's watched Ben Simmons and Jamal Murray (2 guys in his draft class) sign multi-year 170 million dollar extensions and is still being considered for a bench roll going into his contract year.

I don't think Brad will force feed anyone, that's not how his style works. The players have a lot of freedom in his system, he calls a set, but how that plays out is left to the players, read and react.

[tonydelk]

On the most recent Bill Simmons Podcast a listener wrote in with a seriously interesting observation, since the season has ended Jayson Tatum has not posted or shared any connection with current Celtics. There was no congratulations for any of our incoming rookies nor welcome to the Celtics for Kemba or Kanter...but there was tweets for Rozier getting his money elsewhere and Morris signing with Knicks.

For someone who does share a lot of his life on YouTube, Instagram and Twitter, this could very well be that he isn’t happy about being shopped for Davis and how the Irving situation went (given his closeness to Kyrie).  If anything I think Tatum is happier because with Horford and Kyrie gone he can be the alpha and Hayward and Walker do not have the egos to step on his toes like Kyrie did.

In this day and age of social media everything is scrutinized.  What someone says or even what someone does not say.

It's been reported by Walker that Tatum had nothing but good things to say about the city of Boston, It's fans, Coaches, Ainge, everyone.  I think this is reaching.  Tatum said himself that he would make the trade of him for AD because AD is a top 5 player in the league. 

Now the whole Kyrie situation is a different story.  If he IS friends with Kyrie then maybe he was upset at the situation but JT seems to be mature enough to know Kyrie has a lot of fault in this situation.  The only player we saw come out and defend Kyrie was Smart but Smart is the leader of this team. 

[ETNCeltics]

On the most recent Bill Simmons Podcast a listener wrote in with a seriously interesting observation, since the season has ended Jayson Tatum has not posted or shared any connection with current Celtics. There was no congratulations for any of our incoming rookies nor welcome to the Celtics for Kemba or Kanter...but there was tweets for Rozier getting his money elsewhere and Morris signing with Knicks.

For someone who does share a lot of his life on YouTube, Instagram and Twitter, this could very well be that he isn’t happy about being shopped for Davis and how the Irving situation went (given his closeness to Kyrie).

Not true. Last week he retweeted a picture of him, Smart, Hawyard and Brown photoshopped as old men.

Looks to me like there hasn't been much in recent weeks on his social media at all, other than stuff related to his basketball camp.