Rumor: Celtics quickly turned down Hayward trade offer

[Fafnir]

Okay found it

It's Keith Smith, take it with a grain of salt. He's an aggregator who doesn't credit original sources and posts a lot of his own opinions as if they were true. Even in this post, he writes "Observations on [insert player name]." That's his own opinion that he's putting under "sources."

He will follow up Woj and Shams tweets a few min after and say stuff like "My sources confirm that the [blah blah] trade is true." Safest stance to take when pretending like you are connected is to agree with Woj lol...

The idea that every reporter who doesn't credit Woj/Shams is an aggregator is something. I guess they are the only two reporters in the NBA? Also straight up calling man a liar with no proof is ballsy. You think he just flat made up all the direct quotes from "team official", "celtics coach", "opposing executive", etc?

[Silky]

Just came across this article on yahoo and didn't see it posted:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-celtics-quickly-shot-down-232310425.html

If true this should put the 'Hayward for...' trade talk around here. Seems like Brad and Danny have hope he'll do more this season then just stand at the baseline and watch Kyrie dribble into traffic all game.

I saw rumors of Hayward for Mo Bamba and Fournier recently, assumed it was just speculation but maybe there was some truth to it. Or perhaps the Hayward and draft picks to cleveland for love rumors? 

I am still big on Hayward, he was one of my favorite players to watch while in Utah. I am hopeful that he and Kemba have a good chemistry and take off. I could also see him running point/fwd as a 6th man this season. I do have a feeling he'll start the season as our 6th man.

Saying that they quickly turned down a trade does not mean they will not trade him.

It just means that there was an offer they thought was trash. Probably the JR smith + for Hayward and the Memphis pick that was being floated.

No way? Was that a real rumor that was floating around?

Read the user name... That alone should tell you enough dude.

In what galaxy would the Celtics even bother even adding Memphis pick just to get rid of Hayward's contract?

None, but it is what Cleveland was floating out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/03/08/the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-trade-for-gordon-hayward-this-summer/#1201bd6b3571

I have always felt as though Hayward was worth something, unlike most posters on this site who feel as though his value is negative.
But I also feel that he is not needed on this team now, and that I dont believe he will return to his former self on this team either (too many mouths that are more deserving at this point in time)

[saltlover]

This all traces back to the Keith Smith CelticsBlog post, take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Why do you think he's not credible?

I’m not the one who lobbed the original criticism, but he was the initiator of the Blake Griffin rumors a couple of summers ago, based solely on his hearing Ainge was going to San Diego after summer league.  It wasn’t like Ainge had children and grandchildren in San Diego and LA, and after summer league is typically the only time NBA GM’s get something resembling a vacation for a couple of weeks.

I don’t think he’s completely lacking credibility, but I agree that what he says needs to be taken with several grains of salt.

[IDreamCeltics]

Hayward is as close to untouchable as anybody in the league just because of his ties to Brad. Danny might be a wheeler and dealer but Hayward is going nowhere unless he asks for it. I don't know why we keep seeing Hayward trade talk around the web. It isn't happening regardless of where his value sits.

It's possible that Danny would trade Hayward just to reassert his dominance over Brad and the rest of the team. 

[tonydelk]

Hayward is as close to untouchable as anybody in the league just because of his ties to Brad. Danny might be a wheeler and dealer but Hayward is going nowhere unless he asks for it. I don't know why we keep seeing Hayward trade talk around the web. It isn't happening regardless of where his value sits.

It's possible that Danny would trade Hayward just to reassert his dominance over Brad and the rest of the team.

whaaaaat.  I don't think Danny thinks this way.  Everyone knows who is in charge of the Celtics.

[pearljammer10]

Hayward is as close to untouchable as anybody in the league just because of his ties to Brad. Danny might be a wheeler and dealer but Hayward is going nowhere unless he asks for it. I don't know why we keep seeing Hayward trade talk around the web. It isn't happening regardless of where his value sits.

I don't think there is any evidence that Stevens has irrational loyalty to Hayward, or that Ainge would also facilitate it. There are plenty of very rational reasons why the team would want to do what it has done so far. The contract only gives a team next year guaranteed, with a player option the year after. The state of his comeback is highly fluid. Ainge is famously focused on value and I'm quite certain he hasn't received an offer that was worth moving him.

He's not here because he's Steven's binkie.

I think it’s a huge part of it. Hayward was a hugely talented FA two summers ago. But he’s not coming to Boston without Stevens here and most likely vice versa. If we don’t have Stevens, Hayward is still in Utah or signing where Stevens is coaching.

[Monkhouse]

Just came across this article on yahoo and didn't see it posted:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-celtics-quickly-shot-down-232310425.html

If true this should put the 'Hayward for...' trade talk around here. Seems like Brad and Danny have hope he'll do more this season then just stand at the baseline and watch Kyrie dribble into traffic all game.

I saw rumors of Hayward for Mo Bamba and Fournier recently, assumed it was just speculation but maybe there was some truth to it. Or perhaps the Hayward and draft picks to cleveland for love rumors? 

I am still big on Hayward, he was one of my favorite players to watch while in Utah. I am hopeful that he and Kemba have a good chemistry and take off. I could also see him running point/fwd as a 6th man this season. I do have a feeling he'll start the season as our 6th man.

Saying that they quickly turned down a trade does not mean they will not trade him.

It just means that there was an offer they thought was trash. Probably the JR smith + for Hayward and the Memphis pick that was being floated.

No way? Was that a real rumor that was floating around?

Read the user name... That alone should tell you enough dude.

In what galaxy would the Celtics even bother even adding Memphis pick just to get rid of Hayward's contract?

None, but it is what Cleveland was floating out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/03/08/the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-trade-for-gordon-hayward-this-summer/#1201bd6b3571

I have always felt as though Hayward was worth something, unlike most posters on this site who feel as though his value is negative.
But I also feel that he is not needed on this team now, and that I dont believe he will return to his former self on this team either (too many mouths that are more deserving at this point in time)

Of course Cleveland would float that rumor...

Also based on your terrible track records of making preposterous terrible trade ideas where we literally give up arm, and leg to get rid of Hayward's contract this past year, (something Ainge isn't going to ever do to in a million years,) I'm going to disagree 100% with whatever statement(s) and any future statements you have regarding Hayward's value.

Seriously. Just stop talking about him. It's getting to a point where I really am just going to scroll past any post you make.

[ETNCeltics]

lol at that trade proposal. The Celtics are anything but desperate to trade Hayward. It would take an exceptional offer to get him out of Boston.

[number_n9ne]

This all traces back to the Keith Smith CelticsBlog post, take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Why do you think he's not credible?

I’m not the one who lobbed the original criticism, but he was the initiator of the Blake Griffin rumors a couple of summers ago, based solely on his hearing Ainge was going to San Diego after summer league.  It wasn’t like Ainge had children and grandchildren in San Diego and LA, and after summer league is typically the only time NBA GM’s get something resembling a vacation for a couple of weeks.

I don’t think he’s completely lacking credibility, but I agree that what he says needs to be taken with several grains of salt.

He's a Real GM/Celticsblog writer who got himself a blue check mark on Twitter (it's easy to do now). I don't think he completely fabricated the whole article, but I think a lot of it is probably what he "heard" while hanging out at summer league, plus his own observations. His credibility comes from his cap sheet knowledge, which he is very good at. But he's just some normal working schmuck like the rest of us who pretends to be an insider by night. It says right in his Twitter profile "Still seeking FT employment in basketball!" Would you trust a mailman who's looking for full-time work as a dentist to fix your teeth?

He does retweet and give credit sometimes, but he also follows up on Woj/Shams/Stein/etc with "confirmations" that their tweets are true, as if we needed him to confirm that info. He grabs a lot of info and sends it out as his own, like players singing overseas or contract figures. I highly doubt he's as plugged in as he tries to seem. It's a show. So again, take anything he writes -- with the exception of his cap sheets -- with a grain of salt.

[Silky]

Just came across this article on yahoo and didn't see it posted:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-celtics-quickly-shot-down-232310425.html

If true this should put the 'Hayward for...' trade talk around here. Seems like Brad and Danny have hope he'll do more this season then just stand at the baseline and watch Kyrie dribble into traffic all game.

I saw rumors of Hayward for Mo Bamba and Fournier recently, assumed it was just speculation but maybe there was some truth to it. Or perhaps the Hayward and draft picks to cleveland for love rumors? 

I am still big on Hayward, he was one of my favorite players to watch while in Utah. I am hopeful that he and Kemba have a good chemistry and take off. I could also see him running point/fwd as a 6th man this season. I do have a feeling he'll start the season as our 6th man.

Saying that they quickly turned down a trade does not mean they will not trade him.

It just means that there was an offer they thought was trash. Probably the JR smith + for Hayward and the Memphis pick that was being floated.

No way? Was that a real rumor that was floating around?

Read the user name... That alone should tell you enough dude.

In what galaxy would the Celtics even bother even adding Memphis pick just to get rid of Hayward's contract?

None, but it is what Cleveland was floating out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/03/08/the-cleveland-cavaliers-should-trade-for-gordon-hayward-this-summer/#1201bd6b3571

I have always felt as though Hayward was worth something, unlike most posters on this site who feel as though his value is negative.
But I also feel that he is not needed on this team now, and that I dont believe he will return to his former self on this team either (too many mouths that are more deserving at this point in time)

Of course Cleveland would float that rumor...

Also based on your terrible track records of making preposterous terrible trade ideas where we literally give up arm, and leg to get rid of Hayward's contract this past year, (something Ainge isn't going to ever do to in a million years,) I'm going to disagree 100% with whatever statement(s) and any future statements you have regarding Hayward's value.

Seriously. Just stop talking about him. It's getting to a point where I really am just going to scroll past any post you make.

Stop backseat moderating and please scroll past my posts but I am not the person who made up that rumor. Sorry. Aint got that kind of pull.

I make alot of posts and only a percentage of them were proposed Hayward trades. Mostly because I feel he is redundant on this team with tatum. You can disagree, and that is cool, but telling someone to stop posting is arrogant and rude.

[Fafnir]

So an article whose title is "Notes from Summer League" and consists mostly of quotes from various league and team sources on background is framed by you as a negative?

Fun stuff.

As for the part time stuff, I guess I remember where Zach Lowe and Kevin O'Connor started. But I do agree I wouldn't use him as a source on explosive rumors.

[number_n9ne]

So an article whose title is "Notes from Summer League" and consists mostly of quotes from various league and team sources on background is framed by you as a negative?

Fun stuff.

As for the part time stuff, I guess I remember where Zach Lowe and Kevin O'Connor started. But I do agree I wouldn't use him as a source on explosive rumors.

I'm not saying it's negative. It's fun to read. But I'm going to take it with a grain of salt because he is not credible. The mere fact that he has to try and make himself look credible, shows me that he's not. He's a blogger.

Kevin O'Connor and Zach Lowe are extreme examples of talented NBA writers who worked their butts off to get to where they are. Kevin O'Connor poured his heart and soul into his draft guide each and every year, which is how he got picked up. I can't remember him ever claiming to have sources pre-The Ringer. Now he's a full-time writer for a major NBA website and actually has the opportunity to meet and talk to NBA people.

[Fafnir]

So an article whose title is "Notes from Summer League" and consists mostly of quotes from various league and team sources on background is framed by you as a negative?

Fun stuff.

As for the part time stuff, I guess I remember where Zach Lowe and Kevin O'Connor started. But I do agree I wouldn't use him as a source on explosive rumors.

He's a blogger.

Kevin O'Connor and Zach Lowe are extreme examples of talented NBA writers who worked their butts off to get to where they are.

You think those are the only two national writers who got started by blogging?  Those are just the two who literally were writing for Celticshub/Celticsblog. There are a lot more.

Anyways if someone needs national masthead to be credible you're going to miss out on a lot of cool stuff.

[number_n9ne]

So an article whose title is "Notes from Summer League" and consists mostly of quotes from various league and team sources on background is framed by you as a negative?

Fun stuff.

As for the part time stuff, I guess I remember where Zach Lowe and Kevin O'Connor started. But I do agree I wouldn't use him as a source on explosive rumors.

He's a blogger.

Kevin O'Connor and Zach Lowe are extreme examples of talented NBA writers who worked their butts off to get to where they are.

You think those are the only two national writers who got started by blogging?  Those are just the two who literally were writing for Celticshub/Celticsblog. There are a lot more.

Anyways if someone needs national masthead to be credible you're going to miss out on a lot of cool stuff.

I understand they were Celtics writers. I followed KoC from CB till now, I'm a huge fan of his. I think giving a guy like Keith Smith credibility because other bloggers have turned into writers is naive. Missing out on "Cool Stuff" sounds like a pretty dangerous path down to fake news and believing everything you read on the internet, I'll pass on that.

[Fafnir]

Stop backseat moderating and please scroll past my posts but I am not the person who made up that rumor. Sorry. Aint got that kind of pull.

I make alot of posts and only a percentage of them were proposed Hayward trades. Mostly because I feel he is redundant on this team with tatum. You can disagree, and that is cool, but telling someone to stop posting is arrogant and rude.

Look it sucks to get criticized, but that's not moderating. But I do think you should contemplate how often you beat the same horse with a stick.

Still a whole lot of off season to go everyone!