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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.

Tommy Point.  Very well said.  People just want to complain for the sake of complaining whether its about Danny, Brad the players.  Let's just blame everything on Kyrie and move on to this upcoming season and enjoy the young guys.

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Crossing my fingers for Hayward to find his confidence and to be the guy he showed flashes of late last year.

That said, Morrison clearly likes to talk the players up. The other day he said he was really surprised by how quick Tacko Fall was.

Or maybe he's telling the truth and this is accurate.  Maybe he thought Tacko's feet were glued to the floor and when he found out they weren't it surprised him.  He didn't say Tacko was fast he said he had more movement then expected.  Sometimes people hear what they want to hear.

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay

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Hayward Training video here:

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay

Agreed.  It's silly to me to think that Jaylen doesn't work out.  The guy has improved his shot tremendously, and he's maintaining his body.

Now, in terms of things I don't like to see...



Tatum training with Kobe, and Brown with Carmelo?  These are not the mentors we need!


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Ah yes, it's "Player X looks great, he's in the best shape, he's going to be really good next year" season.
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Ah yes, it's "Player X looks great, he's in the best shape, he's going to be really good next year" season.

Don't act like this has happened before!

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay

Agreed.  It's silly to me to think that Jaylen doesn't work out.  The guy has improved his shot tremendously, and he's maintaining his body.

Now, in terms of things I don't like to see...



Tatum training with Kobe, and Brown with Carmelo?  These are not the mentors we need!

Depends on what he is learning.

Carmelo was very good at posting up and scoring off those.  And was a beast at getting to the line averaging close to 8 per game in his "good" seasons

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay
Rest is of course necessary ,that's not the point though, i believe those who stayed in the gym all off season has their necessary rest too, the question is did Brown do his best to balance the rests and workouts? i think not

Travel on planes isn't exactly good for your body healing

Oh and he didn't really be ready last season, and he didn't "rest" his hand when it actually needs to, so no i'm not buying that

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My thing is this -- people who are really naturally good at stuff are bad teachers.


Jaylen should seek out a mentor who was a journeyman with a super long career who had to work his butt off to remain relevant.

Look for the guys who seemed like they shoulda been out of the league much sooner but just kept catching on with teams.


Anthony Tolliver.

Shane Battier.

Robert Horry.

Derek Fisher.

Thabo Sefolosha.

Nick Collison.

Mike Miller.


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Rest is of course necessary ,that's not the point though, i believe those who stayed in the gym all off season has their necessary rest too, the question is did Brown do his best to balance the rests and workouts? i think not

Travel on planes isn't exactly good for your body healing

Oh and he didn't really be ready last season, and he didn't "rest" his hand when it actually needs to, so no i'm not buying that

So now air travel is a no-no? Haha, I highly doubt he is the only NBA player to get on a plane in the off-season.

We are also like 3 months from training camp (and it's only been a couple of weeks since the official end of the season). First, I think he has been working out plenty, but to think that he is just gonna chill for the rest of the summer is ludicrous.

And you are basically admitting that the reason he sucked was because of his hand. Isn't it way better that it was an injury and not that he forgot how to play basketball?

Anyway, I know this is a Hayward thread and let's just say I am expecting big things from him this year. I think he is really going to thrive with more responsibility.

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

If he wants to enjoy all that life has to offer instead of working out to the max 7 days a week to get every ounce out of his potential that he can, I'm OK with that.  Gotta enjoy life.  It's not like he's goofing around getting into trouble.

I know that I, for one, have not reached anywhere near the career heights in my field that Jaylen has in his field so I have no grounds to criticize him for a lack of determination or effort.
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Now, in terms of things I don't like to see...



Tatum training with Kobe, and Brown with Carmelo?  These are not the mentors we need!

Well, I know that we Celtic fans have a programmed-in-response to deride all things Carmelo, but let's step back and acknowledge that,

(a) As a 3 Carmelo is at least positionally a better model for Brown than Kobe (a 2) was for Tatum (a 3-4).

(b) Carmelo had some skills that are very applicable to what we do want Brown getting better at.  In particular, his post-up game and his ability to draw fouls and get to the FT line.

(c) Players all seem to respect and like Carmelo a heck of a lot more than we Celtic fans do.  He was lauded for his leadership on Team USA.

So I'm going to focus on the positives here.   Jaylen seems to be a pretty bright kid who has made steady, positive additions each year.  I think he'll take the right things from this experience.
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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay
Rest is of course necessary ,that's not the point though, i believe those who stayed in the gym all off season has their necessary rest too, the question is did Brown do his best to balance the rests and workouts? i think not

Travel on planes isn't exactly good for your body healing

Oh and he didn't really be ready last season, and he didn't "rest" his hand when it actually needs to, so no i'm not buying that

I saw a lot of work and improvement from Jaylen last year, and while I can’t be sure it’s hard for me to believe he wasn’t fit. Later this summer (like last summer) I predict you’re going to see workout videos showing him adding to his game. Remember last year’s work with TMac? Of all the things I worry about, Jaylen slacking is near the bottom of the list.

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I’m very hopeful for a Gordon Hayward resurgence, but this means absolutely nothing.

what means absolutely nothing? Lets hope Robert Williams and Tatum are working hard too, and not just goofing off in the off season. The players that take their jobs as a year round job rather than 8 month job are generally more successful.
Been a bunch of reports about Williams being in the training facility all off-season. If I recall correctly Brad or Danny singled he and Hayward out primarily as the guys who he'd seen most around the practice facility.
This, is why i have a problem for Brown's "travel around the world plus workout" attitude

It's all cool and fine as a person to have multiple interest , but as a NBA player it's not desirable, especially when you haven't prove yourself(as a star/perennial starter), he lacks determination

As previous poster said, whether Hayward and Williams will succeed i do not know, but if they fail it won't be due to to lack of effort

Lol - Jaylen travels for a couple of weeks a year after the season to interesting, exotic places and documents it. I highly doubt it interrupts his off-season workout regimen. Btw, have you seen the kind of shape the guy is in and the fact that every season he adds a new wrinkle to his game?

He is now the VP of the NBPA and also recently became a fellow of the MIT Media Lab Director's Fellows program. While other guys are playing NBA2K, Jaylen is trying to make the most of his time here on earth. Sorry the beginning of his 2018-19 season didn't go as you had hoped, but I don't think his work ethic is something you should harp on.
Like i said, that's all cool and fine for a person perspective, but when he is on the plane or cars traveling from gyms to gyms, or preparing the speech,  he can't do workouts, I'm sure he worked as hard as he can during his workouts, and he certainly did improve year after year, but is that the best he can do? did he do more workouts than those guys who live in the gym? i will have to put a question mark on it

The determination is what separates good and great, he talks big and obviously have a ton of confidence in himself, but can he(or is he willing to) reach his basketball ceiling, with that kind of attitude i just don't think so

Nothing wrong with throttling back a little for a month to let the body heal and keep the mind fresh. Every training program I’ve ever read talks about periodization. A body can’t go hard all the time and I don’t see anything wrong with letting his mind expand a little so he can come back ready to olay
Rest is of course necessary ,that's not the point though, i believe those who stayed in the gym all off season has their necessary rest too, the question is did Brown do his best to balance the rests and workouts? i think not

Travel on planes isn't exactly good for your body healing

Oh and he didn't really be ready last season, and he didn't "rest" his hand when it actually needs to, so no i'm not buying that
The only reason you think Brown isn't training enough is you don't like the guy. That's it.

You have no proof he isn't putting in 4-6 hours a day of training. For all you know he could be up at 5AM, goes for a one hour run. Comes back and does another 1-2 hours of weight training. Then eats and readies himself for the day and then later in the afternoon goes to a gym and puts in basketball work for 3 hours. And he could be doing this every day while simultaneously doing everything else to help grow his interests, business future, his mind and his all around person.

Brown was accused by some of doing the same thing last year. He came back with a much improved handle, a down pat turnaround, leg kick, fall away jumper, better able to finish through contact, somewhat better ability to see the open floor and make better passes and a self awareness to rid his game of the 16-23 foot, two point shot. And, he came into camp in the best shape of anyone on the team.

After mentally adjusting to a lesser role and moving to the bench, the guy then over the last 55 games or so, and through the playoffs shot 49/38/68 with a TS% over 60% which is tremendous for a shooting guard.

Clearly, any perceived anger at Jaylen for his off-season training was misplaced last year. Brown only struggled out of the gate(and only mentally) because he was expecting a bigger role based on what he did all of 2017-18 but over time, matured some, reset his thinking and thrived.