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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2019, 05:22:47 PM »

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We have 3 point guards already on the roster.

Why not add another.
Might as well use the rest of the capspace on sg/sf combos as well.

Can never have to many of those.

Danny's objective is to corner the market on sg/sf combos.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/langford
Tatum/Hayward/Semi

I mean obviously we only have 3 pgs and 5 wing players. We need another pg, 2 more sg/sf and 1 more sf. Then we are set. Need to be 4 deep at each wing position.

We have 2 front court players....thats more than enough.


What good is having bigmen in the nba when we can be the only team to run a pg/pg/sg/sf/sf lineup.
edwards is not really a pg. he is more a sg stuffed inside a smallish pg body. he can score, but passing is not his primary strength.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2019, 05:25:56 PM »

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There is a very good chance Waters doesn't make the team and Edwards is signed as a 2 way player. I wouldn't be jumping to include them as PGs on this roster and deciding the team doesn't need to add anymore PGs.

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2019, 05:32:54 PM »

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Yes because he is the best pg the Celtics can get with only the cap hold counting on the cap.

Most of the other PGs i here talked about will get offered more then that 9 million cap hold or (if we are talking about an older vet) likely sign with a more likely contender.

That leaves the Celtics 20 some million to pkay with to add a C (and maybe a pf as well)

Then they can go over the cap to resign Rozier.  Rozier then can either regain some of his trade value with his play or is the matching salary when trading in a package.

If the Celtics sign a much better pg with most their cap space, nevermind.
I hate watching Rozier, as much as anyone but if we are going to rebuild we need as many draft picks as possible. Keeping Rozier is the best way to maximize our tradeable assets for the year.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2019, 07:16:46 PM »

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Yes because he is the best pg the Celtics can get with only the cap hold counting on the cap.

Most of the other PGs i here talked about will get offered more then that 9 million cap hold or (if we are talking about an older vet) likely sign with a more likely contender.

That leaves the Celtics 20 some million to pkay with to add a C (and maybe a pf as well)

Then they can go over the cap to resign Rozier.  Rozier then can either regain some of his trade value with his play or is the matching salary when trading in a package.

If the Celtics sign a much better pg with most their cap space, nevermind.
I hate watching Rozier, as much as anyone but if we are going to rebuild we need as many draft picks as possible. Keeping Rozier is the best way to maximize our tradeable assets for the year.

There's also a really good chance Rozier doesn't really improve from last season and we don't get much value back anyways, unless if you're fine with a late 1st/2nd rounder.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2019, 07:21:02 PM »

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He’ll either return to 2018 playoff form, and make those of us who wanted nothing to do with him look silly.

Or he’ll continue in the vein of 2019 and make DA look stupid for signing him.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2019, 07:21:36 PM »

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Yes because he is the best pg the Celtics can get with only the cap hold counting on the cap.

Most of the other PGs i here talked about will get offered more then that 9 million cap hold or (if we are talking about an older vet) likely sign with a more likely contender.

That leaves the Celtics 20 some million to pkay with to add a C (and maybe a pf as well)

Then they can go over the cap to resign Rozier.  Rozier then can either regain some of his trade value with his play or is the matching salary when trading in a package.

If the Celtics sign a much better pg with most their cap space, nevermind.
I hate watching Rozier, as much as anyone but if we are going to rebuild we need as many draft picks as possible. Keeping Rozier is the best way to maximize our tradeable assets for the year.

There's also a really good chance Rozier doesn't really improve from last season and we don't get much value back anyways, unless if you're fine with a late 1st/2nd rounder.


I'm absolutely fine with a late first rounder. That's one first rounder we wouldn't have otherwise. First rounders add up.
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Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2019, 07:34:49 PM »

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Yes because he is the best pg the Celtics can get with only the cap hold counting on the cap.

Most of the other PGs i here talked about will get offered more then that 9 million cap hold or (if we are talking about an older vet) likely sign with a more likely contender.

That leaves the Celtics 20 some million to pkay with to add a C (and maybe a pf as well)

Then they can go over the cap to resign Rozier.  Rozier then can either regain some of his trade value with his play or is the matching salary when trading in a package.

If the Celtics sign a much better pg with most their cap space, nevermind.
I hate watching Rozier, as much as anyone but if we are going to rebuild we need as many draft picks as possible. Keeping Rozier is the best way to maximize our tradeable assets for the year.

There's also a really good chance Rozier doesn't really improve from last season and we don't get much value back anyways, unless if you're fine with a late 1st/2nd rounder.

At which point he is salary filler instead of Smart.

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2019, 07:37:38 PM »

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Terry is very selfish. 

Not only that; but way too over confident.  He is not as good as he thinks he is.

....a streaky shooter with questionable handling at best.

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2019, 07:56:32 PM »

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Terry is very selfish. 

Not only that; but way too over confident.  He is not as good as he thinks he is.

....a streaky shooter with questionable handling at best.

Why can't danny see that.
Heck Brad Stevens was so infatuated with the guy.

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2019, 08:03:36 PM »

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We have 3 point guards already on the roster.

Why not add another.
Might as well use the rest of the capspace on sg/sf combos as well.

Can never have to many of those.

Danny's objective is to corner the market on sg/sf combos.

Smart/edwards/waters
Brown/langford
Tatum/Hayward/Semi

I mean obviously we only have 3 pgs and 5 wing players. We need another pg, 2 more sg/sf and 1 more sf. Then we are set. Need to be 4 deep at each wing position.

We have 2 front court players....thats more than enough.


What good is having bigmen in the nba when we can be the only team to run a pg/pg/sg/sf/sf lineup.
edwards is not really a pg. he is more a sg stuffed inside a smallish pg body. he can score, but passing is not his primary strength.

He will be runningbwith langford amd hayward and ideally williams.
So itbdont matter

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2019, 08:08:12 PM »

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I am in the minority but I would like to have him back - especially if he gets along with Brown, Smart, and Tatum...

I hated seeing him spilling the garbage on those shows but I am not mad at a man who is mad about how he was used when the Team underachieved...  And yes he was a chucker but I believe it was because his minutes were cut and he was trying to Prove himself for the next team (in the Reduced minutes he was receiving "not" because he sucked but because two other people were being integrated... Fair or unfair I understand what he was trying to do.. (Secure a bag)

The kid is young but talented... The Team had a disappointing year and he was basically benched...

Had we won something I don't think this would have been a problem, but we didn't...  Now the Spin is Tatum is overrated, Brown is a Trouble maker, Rozier is Trash... Hayward is garbage...

I am okay with players being mad and turning over tables after they were embarrassed on the court... That's what I see Terry Doing...

The Kid Cares... Bring him back.  I believe he actually wants to be Celtic...I feel he was hurt watching the organizations bend over backward for a man that everyone in the locker room knew didn't want to be there...

Has anyone stopped to think about how the young kids felt about that

Anyway, I am okay with Terry... Would love to have him back just because I think he really cares.










Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2019, 08:13:02 PM »

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I am in the minority but I would like to have him back - especially if he gets along with Brown, Smart, and Tatum...

I hated seeing him spilling the garbage on those shows but I am not mad at a man who is mad about how he was used when the Team underachieved...  And yes he was a chucker but I believe it was because his minutes were cut and he was trying to Prove himself for the next team (in the Reduced minutes he was receiving "not" because he sucked but because two other people were being integrated... Fair or unfair I understand what he was trying to do.. (Secure a bag)

The kid is young but talented... The Team had a disappointing year and he was basically benched...

Had we won something I don't think this would have been a problem, but we didn't...  Now the Spin is Tatum is overrated, Brown is a Trouble maker, Rozier is Trash... Hayward is garbage...

I am okay with players being mad and turning over tables after they were embarrassed on the court... That's what I see Terry Doing...

The Kid Cares... Bring him back.  I believe he actually wants to be Celtic...I feel he was hurt watching the organizations bend over backward for a man that everyone in the locker room knew didn't want to be there...

Has anyone stopped to think about how the young kids felt about that

Anyway, I am okay with Terry... Would love to have him back just because I think he really cares.

Rozier sulked all yeah and put very little effort in on either end of the floor all last year. I remember him trying in two games. He tried in that Toronto game we won and the GSW game but acted like a baby the rest of the year. Then he threw everyone under the bus at the end of the year. I'll take the way Jaylen Brown handled things every time!

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2019, 08:31:18 PM »

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I am in the minority but I would like to have him back - especially if he gets along with Brown, Smart, and Tatum...

I hated seeing him spilling the garbage on those shows but I am not mad at a man who is mad about how he was used when the Team underachieved...  And yes he was a chucker but I believe it was because his minutes were cut and he was trying to Prove himself for the next team (in the Reduced minutes he was receiving "not" because he sucked but because two other people were being integrated... Fair or unfair I understand what he was trying to do.. (Secure a bag)

The kid is young but talented... The Team had a disappointing year and he was basically benched...

Had we won something I don't think this would have been a problem, but we didn't...  Now the Spin is Tatum is overrated, Brown is a Trouble maker, Rozier is Trash... Hayward is garbage...

I am okay with players being mad and turning over tables after they were embarrassed on the court... That's what I see Terry Doing...

The Kid Cares... Bring him back.  I believe he actually wants to be Celtic...I feel he was hurt watching the organizations bend over backward for a man that everyone in the locker room knew didn't want to be there...

Has anyone stopped to think about how the young kids felt about that

Anyway, I am okay with Terry... Would love to have him back just because I think he really cares.

Rozier sulked all yeah and put very little effort in on either end of the floor all last year. I remember him trying in two games. He tried in that Toronto game we won and the GSW game but acted like a baby the rest of the year. Then he threw everyone under the bus at the end of the year. I'll take the way Jaylen Brown handled things every time!

I don't disagree with you... I just think his situation during a contract year really screwed with him... He Didn't "earn" the lack of minutes.. He was forced to sit and watch.

But You are not wrong... I just think IF you give Rozier a Real job he will act like a real player...   


Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2019, 08:39:11 PM »

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I would be pretty happy to bring Rozier back, and I would consider this team lucky if he is willing to come back.

This team has treated Rozier like a doormat since the moment he arrived:

1. First he was buried behind Rondo and Smart - he did not complain once.

2. Then then Rondo was traded out he got buried behind Thomas and Smart - again, he did not say a word.

3. When Boston faced injuries Rozier finally got a chance, and he absolutely made the most of that opportunity.  Boston surprised everybody by beating the Bucks and the Sixers, then taking the Cavs to 7 games - and Rozier was absolutely instrumental to that run.   

4. Then after proving what he can do, what does he get as thanks?  He gets buried on the bench once again behind Kyrie and Smart.  In a contract year, no less - his last opportunity to show his value and get paid. 

5. Despite being buried AGAIN behind Kyrie and Smart, he once again proved himself by filling in extremely well every time the injury bug hit.  In 14 games as a starter Rozier averaged 13 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists while shooting 43% / 40% / 90%.  In those games Rozier had a net rating of +11 and the Celtics were 11-3 (0.785).  The Celtics almost always played their best basketball when Rozier was given the starting PG spot...and yet any time the injured partys returned he was thrown straight back to the end of the bench again.

6.  I can understand Rozier being beyind Kyrie, but he was also constantly buried behind Smart.  Despite the fact that Rozier often outplayed Smart.  Despite Smart's constantly poor end of game decision making, Stevens frequently left Smart in the game and Rozier rotting at the end of the bench.

Rozier went through the entire NBA season without making a single complaint.  He sat there quietly at the end of the bench and did whatever he was asked, year after year after year. 

Finally after after four years of being shoved to the end of the bench and utterly ignored by your coach, after coming off a disastrous season that nobody on the team enjoyed, and after willingly sacrificing your entire contract year for the sake of the team -  and not getting a single bit of thanks or appreciation for any of it - finally he reached the limit of his patience and came out to express how he really felt.

And I don't blame the guy one iota, because if I were in his position I would feel exactly the same way. 

Ok maybe he could have thought a bit more carefully before talking - maybe going and saying all of this on public TV may not have been the cleanest way of expressing himself  But people make mistakes - and Rozier was clearly incredibly frustrated, not just for this season but probably for the way he's been treated the entire time he was in Boston.  I really don't think anybody really has the right to blame him for that - the entire league has pretty much acknowledged Rozier's potential as a starting PG in this league for one or two seasons now, and yet the Celtics have been holding him back from achieving his potential from day one.

In all honest, i don't even think most of the things he said were that bad.  He didn't really throw specific shade at any one person.  In fact the people on the shows pushed and prodded him HARD to try to push him to diss specific individuals (like Kyrie and Kayward) and he refused to do it.  He specifically said sure there may have been some challenges with those guys, but that the problem was not any one person.  He went out of his way to say it wasn't all Kyrie's fault, and that he also had to make adjustments to taking on a new role as a leader.  He mentioned guys had egos, and that created issues, etc. 

Many people took offense when he was asked if he would come back to Boston if the team was brought back as it was and he said probably not - that he'd love to come back to Boston but he really wants a starting role.  I think that's fair.  I think he's earned that.  Why WOULD he want to come back only to be buried at the end of the bench for another 4 years? 

Anyway I will end my little rant now - but I really do think people are being (and always have been) a little hard on Rozier.  I can acknowledge that he made a mistake by coming out and being as vocal as he was, but at least he was honest and speaking from the heart - he seems like the type of guy who doesn't know any other way.  If Marcus Smart came out and said all the things Rozier said, you would probably all be praising him for being real and for saying it how it is.  Somehow Rozier has been hated on by Celtics fans from day one.

Re: Are We Really Bringing Back Rozier??
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2019, 08:40:18 PM »

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I hope so.

If too expensive to retain Rozier, then just use Smart for now...and be patient until Danny trades for the right PG.