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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2019, 06:25:43 PM »

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Dany should do absolutely nothing to appease Kyrie. According to various reports kyrie hated or had problems with Dany, Brad, Reporters, The City of Boston, Jaylen, Rozier, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and geography.

Blaming Jaylen or even Rizier for having problems with someone so difficult is a reach. The only public clash between the two was Jaylen saying they had to work better as a team, and not call each other out. In other words, the biggest criticism of Jaylen is he called for team unity? Even if you want to say he had problems behind the scenes he was one if the few guys who actually put it past him and got better this season. I dont care that Smart or Morris yelled at him, he has work to do on his game and always seemed to take it well. Ainge and Brad has both went out of their way to praise his work ethic and attitude.

Bottom line is this. If kyrie was better you'd put up with his toxic nature, Lebron is worth it, kyrie is not. Before the start of the offseason I would have argued you need to retain him for asset reasons but as someone who just wants to enjoy watching the teaming I hope he is gone.
Really? So Rozier blaming Hayward and Kyrie and Coach on the show isn't a problem? and open complain about his bench role isn't a problem?

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2019, 06:26:13 PM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.
Reports huh? there also are reports they are best friends and have a very good relationship

Never seen that report.  The reports were that Hayward’s best friends on the team were Baynes and Theis.

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2019, 06:32:13 PM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.
Reports huh? there also are reports they are best friends and have a very good relationship

Never seen that report.  The reports were that Hayward’s best friends on the team were Baynes and Theis.
Just google it

That game planted the seeds of a friendship that put Hayward and Irving on a path to one day play together

Irving and Hayward had further developed a relationship while playing USA Basketball together. They’d chat while getting up shots, or at ball signings and community events, all while daydreaming about getting an opportunity to play together outside of summer exhibitions.

It was Irving who hosted Hayward and his wife, Robyn, during that 2014 visit to Cleveland and pitched Hayward on the idea of making the Cavaliers relevant again together
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By now it’s no secret that Celtics teammates Jayson Tatum and Kyrie Irving are close friends

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How Kyrie Irving, Brad Stevens have improved relationship "tremendously"
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"Kyrie's been good. He's returned calls. He's returned messages. He's been excellent," Ainge told NBC Sports Boston. "Kyrie has always been respectful with me. Our one-on-one relationship has been good. He's been open and honest with me from day one. I have no issues at all with Kyrie."
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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2019, 06:58:35 PM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2019, 08:10:04 PM »

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Dany should do absolutely nothing to appease Kyrie. According to various reports kyrie hated or had problems with Dany, Brad, Reporters, The City of Boston, Jaylen, Rozier, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and geography.

Blaming Jaylen or even Rizier for having problems with someone so difficult is a reach. The only public clash between the two was Jaylen saying they had to work better as a team, and not call each other out. In other words, the biggest criticism of Jaylen is he called for team unity? Even if you want to say he had problems behind the scenes he was one if the few guys who actually put it past him and got better this season. I dont care that Smart or Morris yelled at him, he has work to do on his game and always seemed to take it well. Ainge and Brad has both went out of their way to praise his work ethic and attitude.

Bottom line is this. If kyrie was better you'd put up with his toxic nature, Lebron is worth it, kyrie is not. Before the start of the offseason I would have argued you need to retain him for asset reasons but as someone who just wants to enjoy watching the teaming I hope he is gone.
Really? So Rozier blaming Hayward and Kyrie and Coach on the show isn't a problem? and open complain about his bench role isn't a problem?

I'm not saying rozier wasn't a problem. It's not an either or. Both were awful from a chemistry perspective this year. I blame Rozier for being a bad teammate, but I dont blame him if he didnt like Irving, because nobody really seems to. But the question wasn't about rozier, it was about Irving. Hiw much would you appease him? My answer: Not at all.

I'm no sure how much more evidence we need that kyrie is a problem. The Brooklym nets are reportedly even balking at him. Again, I just want to like this team.

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2019, 08:18:02 PM »

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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2019, 09:57:59 PM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

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“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish," Mannix said. "His (Irving’s) relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it. He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid.”



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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2019, 10:52:19 PM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

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“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish," Mannix said. "His (Irving’s) relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it. He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid.”

How about:

1. A recent appearance together on Quentin Richardson & Darius Miles' podcast where they're seen joking and laughing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utiaSGfImHs

2. A Boston Herald story titled "Bond between Kyrie Irving, Jayson Tatum runs deep." https://www.bostonherald.com/2018/01/08/bond-between-kyrie-irving-jayson-tatum-runs-deep/

3. Several moments of on-court love: https://bit.ly/2Kw1T7f

4. This recent story on Hoopshype:

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As recently noted by The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor, Irving’s friendships on the team “start and end” with the 21-year-old forward. O’Connor cited their shared agent Jeffrey Wechsler as well as their history with Bryant as two of the biggest driving forces. Both also played college basketball at Duke for head coach Mike Krzyzewski.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/03/13/boston-celtics-kyrie-irving-nba-free-agency-rumors/

5. Kyrie saying he wants to be part of a great duo with Tatum:

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“We’re six years apart. And I try to tell him, I’m like, look: ‘I’m a liason between all of this… Whatever you need me to do. I’ll get out your way once you get to that point [of greatness]. You go ahead. This is yours. You want it? Go take it.’ And I tell J as well: ‘Me and you in this, going for the guts and glory. When it’s all on the line? I know I need you right next to me. So let’s get this thing going.’ I have a different relationship with all of my teammates but specifically with him, how special he is.”

https://hoopshype.com/2019/03/13/boston-celtics-kyrie-irving-nba-free-agency-rumors/

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2019, 11:41:54 PM »

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It's funny that after 2 years some people still don't realize that Cryee is an immature drama queen who only feels good around Daddy or Big Bro LeBUM.   

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2019, 01:40:05 AM »

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What if...this is all a smear campaign by Rich Paul and LeBron because they’re scared to death by the prospect of Kyrie winning an NBA championship over LeBron as the next round of Celtics/Lakers? They were scared to death by the prospect of us winning AD and instead they ended up overpaying? What if Kyrie is remaining silent to see how bad the smearing becomes, re-signs on July 1, calls out LeBum and nobody wants to join the Lakers? What if Kyrie is coming back with another superstar to pair with Tatum and Smart?

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2019, 03:47:40 AM »

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Dany should do absolutely nothing to appease Kyrie. According to various reports kyrie hated or had problems with Dany, Brad, Reporters, The City of Boston, Jaylen, Rozier, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and geography.

Blaming Jaylen or even Rizier for having problems with someone so difficult is a reach. The only public clash between the two was Jaylen saying they had to work better as a team, and not call each other out. In other words, the biggest criticism of Jaylen is he called for team unity? Even if you want to say he had problems behind the scenes he was one if the few guys who actually put it past him and got better this season. I dont care that Smart or Morris yelled at him, he has work to do on his game and always seemed to take it well. Ainge and Brad has both went out of their way to praise his work ethic and attitude.

Bottom line is this. If kyrie was better you'd put up with his toxic nature, Lebron is worth it, kyrie is not. Before the start of the offseason I would have argued you need to retain him for asset reasons but as someone who just wants to enjoy watching the teaming I hope he is gone.
Really? So Rozier blaming Hayward and Kyrie and Coach on the show isn't a problem? and open complain about his bench role isn't a problem?

I'm not saying rozier wasn't a problem. It's not an either or. Both were awful from a chemistry perspective this year. I blame Rozier for being a bad teammate, but I dont blame him if he didnt like Irving, because nobody really seems to. But the question wasn't about rozier, it was about Irving. Hiw much would you appease him? My answer: Not at all.

I'm no sure how much more evidence we need that kyrie is a problem. The Brooklym nets are reportedly even balking at him. Again, I just want to like this team.
I don't even know if you are serious saying that

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2019, 03:49:41 AM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

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“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish," Mannix said. "His (Irving’s) relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it. He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid.”
I haven't read that, but Brown and Rozier, why am i not surprised, they are the only two guy to openly complain about their roles which is the exact reason of our chemistry problem

And we just draft a guard that can replace both

Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2019, 04:42:49 AM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

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“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish," Mannix said. "His (Irving’s) relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it. He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid.”
I haven't read that, but Brown and Rozier, why am i not surprised, they are the only two guy to openly complain about their roles which is the exact reason of our chemistry problem

And we just draft a guard that can replace both
Did you forget the whole second half of the season where Brown adjusted maturely to whatever role was asked of him, and outperformed Smart easily? Or are you ignoring it on purpose?
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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2019, 04:51:17 AM »

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Jackie Mac just said this and it's posted on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter too now.

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"Kyrie Irving didn't like Boston. I've been told this by many people. He didn't like living in Boston. He just didn't. By the end, he had issues with Brad . By the end he had issues with Danny. By the end he had issues with pretty much all of us."

The last part is what kind of surprises me, considering it was known Jackie Mac and Kyrie had a good reporter-player relationship. Kyrie is just a weird dude and extremely bi-polar it seems.

haha...well there goes the end of this thread.

Brad and Danny aren't going away, at least for a while.  If Kyrie has issues with Brad, issues with Danny, issues with Jalen, issues with Rozier, issues with Jackie Mac, then maybe, just MAYBE it was more on him.
Well Brown and Rozier had problems with alot of their teammates and the Coach, at least Kyrie don't get barked or pushed by his teammates on the court

and so WHAT?  younger players get yelled at by veterans, it happens all the time.  that hardly proves that Kyrie wasn't the main problem.

good luck kyrie, I am glad we are all moving on from this crap-show.
Smart didn't before, Tatum didn't, TL didn't, Yabu didn't, Semi didn't, i can go on
There is a reason Brown and Rozier are the only two to have those problems

Add Hayward to the list of players Kyrie attacked, and reports are that he had problems with Tatum.

Tatum and Kyrie are close friends. They vacation together. Irving has been his mentor. The report a few days ago wasn't that Kyrie had problems with him; it was that Kyrie treated Tatum like a younger brother, and it was really just a journalist speculating on why Tatum didn't have a more dominant year.

It's really much ado about nothing: https://nesn.com/2019/06/did-kyrie-irving-treat-jayson-tatum-like-lebron-james-treated-him/

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“You can write a whole book on what went wrong because the season was basically a disaster from start to finish," Mannix said. "His (Irving’s) relationship with the young players on the roster was awful. Jaylen Brown, he was probably the worst with. I don’t think it was great with Jayson Tatum, and it was awful with Terry Rozier because Terry was supplanted at a position he thought he did enough to win. That created a pretty nasty atmosphere. Kyrie’s leadership skills were lacking, and he failed at it. He was the first player to be coached by Brad Stevens who didn’t really enjoy being coached by Brad Stevens and that relationship wasn’t solid.”
I haven't read that, but Brown and Rozier, why am i not surprised, they are the only two guy to openly complain about their roles which is the exact reason of our chemistry problem

And we just draft a guard that can replace both
Did you forget the whole second half of the season where Brown adjusted maturely to whatever role was asked of him, and outperformed Smart easily? Or are you ignoring it on purpose?
I didn't, Brown seemed he learned his lessen after being called out by Kyrie, but personality don't just change like that (he said later he will have no problem for bench role IF we are winning, so i guess he will have a problem now)

And while Brown performed very well in the Bucks series while Kyrie Dropped the ball horribly, we aren't talking about short term ,personal performance here aren't we, it's our team chemistry being the main problem long term, and Brown seems likely be part of it going forward

he will have to show more right attitude to put my worries away, *if he is to stay on the team that is

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Re: How far is/was Danny willing to go to appease Irving?
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I think it is safe to say, he is not trying to appease, when he pulled the plug on the AD deal...
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