The Bash Danny Ainge thread

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I don't agree with "fire Danny."

I'm theoretically cool with a youth movement.

That said, Danny Ainge supposedly planned for years to trade for AD.  Now he lost his nerve at the last minute.

Does Danny have a way to build another contender before he retires?  I don't think so.

The next MVP caliber player to play for the Celtics hasn't been drafted yet.

Sadly, he may not even be born yet.

[gpap]

This whole "bashing" and "fire" DA thing is stupid.

DA put the C's in a position to acquire AD, and he got Irving,Hayward(whole still can come back around) Horford,Brown,Tatum and Smart all in the process.

We weren't in the room while these deals are being discussed. We don't know how much more out side of Tatum NOLA wanted, maybe DA got annoyed with a continuous outrages demand and told them to F off, and NOLA went to LA.

MAybe it was clear AD wasn't going to sign with Boston next summer, so DA pulled out. The KG situation was different, he didn't want to leave, but DA made it look good to him. Leonard could be different because he's a different kind of person, kinda like KG were he's not about the lights and fame, but straight up wants to win.

Whats funny is a lot of people wouldn't have put Leonard the the "superstar" category a couple years ago. Now with the playoff run and finals win, he's now being talked about being the best player in the league. He's not flashy like the AD.Irving,Westbrooks of the league, but he's got that it factor when it comes to winning, and thats bigger than how many points and rebounds some one can get.

I think this team can get close with some adjustments. A lot depends on Brown/Tatum making the jump, and Hayward rounding to form, but this team will be far from teams like the Knicks.

Even if you have to wait a couple more years for Brown and Tatum to become stars, it could be worth it. It would have been faster if DA didn't hire Stevens and traded for IT, I mean how dare they make the playoffs every year but one since the PP/KG trade...

So then why didn't Ainge trade for him last summer?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

This whole "bashing" and "fire" DA thing is stupid.

DA put the C's in a position to acquire AD, and he got Irving,Hayward(whole still can come back around) Horford,Brown,Tatum and Smart all in the process.

We weren't in the room while these deals are being discussed. We don't know how much more out side of Tatum NOLA wanted, maybe DA got annoyed with a continuous outrages demand and told them to F off, and NOLA went to LA.

MAybe it was clear AD wasn't going to sign with Boston next summer, so DA pulled out. The KG situation was different, he didn't want to leave, but DA made it look good to him. Leonard could be different because he's a different kind of person, kinda like KG were he's not about the lights and fame, but straight up wants to win.

Whats funny is a lot of people wouldn't have put Leonard the the "superstar" category a couple years ago. Now with the playoff run and finals win, he's now being talked about being the best player in the league. He's not flashy like the AD.Irving,Westbrooks of the league, but he's got that it factor when it comes to winning, and thats bigger than how many points and rebounds some one can get.

I think this team can get close with some adjustments. A lot depends on Brown/Tatum making the jump, and Hayward rounding to form, but this team will be far from teams like the Knicks.

Even if you have to wait a couple more years for Brown and Tatum to become stars, it could be worth it. It would have been faster if DA didn't hire Stevens and traded for IT, I mean how dare they make the playoffs every year but one since the PP/KG trade...

So then why didn't Ainge trade for him last summer?

Because there's no guarantee he stays, and it's not worth giving up prime assets.

Just because he won in Toronto doesn't mean he could have won in Boston. If anything, him and Kyrie Irving might have clashed. And then both would have left and we lost Jaylen Brown and other assets to the Spurs.

Same way he is not trading for AD now.

[gouki88]

This whole "bashing" and "fire" DA thing is stupid.

DA put the C's in a position to acquire AD, and he got Irving,Hayward(whole still can come back around) Horford,Brown,Tatum and Smart all in the process.

We weren't in the room while these deals are being discussed. We don't know how much more out side of Tatum NOLA wanted, maybe DA got annoyed with a continuous outrages demand and told them to F off, and NOLA went to LA.

MAybe it was clear AD wasn't going to sign with Boston next summer, so DA pulled out. The KG situation was different, he didn't want to leave, but DA made it look good to him. Leonard could be different because he's a different kind of person, kinda like KG were he's not about the lights and fame, but straight up wants to win.

Whats funny is a lot of people wouldn't have put Leonard the the "superstar" category a couple years ago. Now with the playoff run and finals win, he's now being talked about being the best player in the league. He's not flashy like the AD.Irving,Westbrooks of the league, but he's got that it factor when it comes to winning, and thats bigger than how many points and rebounds some one can get.

I think this team can get close with some adjustments. A lot depends on Brown/Tatum making the jump, and Hayward rounding to form, but this team will be far from teams like the Knicks.

Even if you have to wait a couple more years for Brown and Tatum to become stars, it could be worth it. It would have been faster if DA didn't hire Stevens and traded for IT, I mean how dare they make the playoffs every year but one since the PP/KG trade...

So then why didn't Ainge trade for him last summer?

The emboldened is also not really true. For most of 2016-17 (before Zaza took him out) I had been saying that Kawhi was at worst a top 5 player in the league, and that on the right team I'd take him ahead of LeBron. It's not some random explosion.

[Casperian]

Danny has done a p----poor job for years, now.

The most assets in the league. Not just the most assets, the most high-end assets, and we have absolutely nothing to show for it. You think it would've taken Pat Riley, Jerry West or Masai Ujiri 7 years to build a treadmill team with those kind of assets?

The Lakers have a better future than us, so do the 76ers. Heck, depending on how the rest of this off-season plays out, the effing Nets, the same team we absolutely fleeced, are in a better position than us.

The myth of Ainge's greatness has always been just that: a myth. Group think. It is absolutely delusional to call Danny Ainge a good GM at this point.

Here's an interesting stat: 50%.

Remember the last long stretch we went without a championship, also known as "The Great Drought"? It lasted from 1986 to 2008. 22 years! Well, it's 2019, which makes it eleven years since our last title. That's right, we're 50% there replicating our last drought, all under Danny's so-called leadership, and we're at least another 5 years away from even being good again.

And it's not like his hands were tied and there weren't any good players available. Paul George changed teams, so did Kawhi, and all we got was Kyrie effing Irving.

People who still defend Ainge at this point are either harmony addicts, dumb as a rock, or internet karma prostitutes.

[Ogaju]

lol ....... Danny has wet the bed a couple of times. Juan Juan Johnson? Yabusele? Olynyk? Zizic? Young? SMH Danny needs to step it up.

[gouki88]

lol ....... Danny has wet the bed a couple of times. Juan Juan Johnson? Yabusele? Olynyk? Zizic? SMH Danny needs to step it up.

It always annoys me that E'twaun Moore ended up being a steal, where as JJ Johnson was a complete waste.

[Tr1boy]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

[Ogaju]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard tradr for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

It is more than luck, the guy drafted like a mo' I think it is important that Masai cut his teeth as a scout. The guy flat out knows talent. I wish Danny could pick his brain for the next draft. Dont forget he also made the ballsy move of firing the COTY and hired Nick Nurse who is now a folk hero. Funny how no one is talking about the timeout anymore. Winning solves EVERYTHING.

[Casperian]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

[Tr1boy]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard tradr for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

It is more than luck, the guy drafted like a mo' I think it is important that Masai cut his teeth as a scout. The guy flat out knows talent. I wish Danny could pick his brain for the next draft. Dont forget he also made the ballsy move of firing the COTY and hired Nick Nurse who is now a folk hero. Funny how no one is talking about the timeout anymore. Winning solves EVERYTHING.

Listen

Masai has had his share of failures

Bruno Cabolco

Remember?

Delon Wright etc

The Nurse hiring was great though

[Tr1boy]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamacy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

What are you talking about?

1st... Pierce and KG have long retired but  the assets they got for them are only in their infancy stage

2nd... Ainge "took" a chance with Irving... gave up just an ok 8th pick

3rd ... why are you acting like its Davis or nothing? Brown and Tatum are still really young.  They could keep getting better or ina year or two, you can pair them with a nice addition vs trade or FA

Last season mistep is not a true reprensentation of what these "young" guys could/can do

[Ogaju]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamacy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

What are you talking about?

1st... Pierce and KG have long retired but  the assets they got for them are only in their infancy stage

2nd... Ainge "took" a chance with Irving... gave up just an ok 8th pick

3rd ... why are you acting like its Davis or nothing? Brown and Tatum are still really young.  They could keep getting better or ina year or two, you can pair them with a nice addition vs trade or FA

Last season mistep is not a true reprensentation of what these "young" guys could/can do

should never have traded the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie. Those Brooklyn picks were golden. That is what messed up this rebuild. No Kyrie and Cs would have bagged AD at the trade deadline. Danny should not have traded that Brooklyn pick.

[RPGenerate]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamacy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

What are you talking about?

1st... Pierce and KG have long retired but  the assets they got for them are only in their infancy stage

2nd... Ainge "took" a chance with Irving... gave up just an ok 8th pick

3rd ... why are you acting like its Davis or nothing? Brown and Tatum are still really young.  They could keep getting better or ina year or two, you can pair them with a nice addition vs trade or FA

Last season mistep is not a true reprensentation of what these "young" guys could/can do

should never have traded the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie. Those Brooklyn picks were golden. That is what messed up this rebuild. No Kyrie and Cs would have bagged AD at the trade deadline. Danny should not have traded that Brooklyn pick.

That doesn't even make any sense. Danny wasn't trading the farm for AD regardless of Kyrie. You know, since he wanted to be in LA.

[gouki88]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard tradr for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

It is more than luck, the guy drafted like a mo' I think it is important that Masai cut his teeth as a scout. The guy flat out knows talent. I wish Danny could pick his brain for the next draft. Dont forget he also made the ballsy move of firing the COTY and hired Nick Nurse who is now a folk hero. Funny how no one is talking about the timeout anymore. Winning solves EVERYTHING.

Listen

Masai has had his share of failures

Bruno Cabolco

Remember?

Delon Wright etc

The Nurse hiring was great though

Completely off-topic, but Delon Wright is hardly a failure. He was playing solid ball for Memphis at the end of the season, and was taken with pick 20. He's a similar tier to Rozier and was taken 4 picks after him