The Bash Danny Ainge thread

[Casperian]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamacy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

What are you talking about?

1st... Pierce and KG have long retired but  the assets they got for them are only in their infancy stage

2nd... Ainge "took" a chance with Irving... gave up just an ok 8th pick

3rd ... why are you acting like its Davis or nothing? Brown and Tatum are still really young.  They could keep getting better or ina year or two, you can pair them with a nice addition vs trade or FA

Last season mistep is not a true reprensentation of what these "young" guys could/can do

Ah, I see, the good old "Who knows" defense...how convenient, considering it absolves everyone who has been wrong for years now of any responsibility and allows them to safe face. You might not be able to see where this train is headed, but some of us are.

We have seen 2 years of Tatum and 3 years of Brown, long enough to know that they will never be good enough to win you a championship.

I just posted this in another thread, but what do you think, which pair of players is more talented, Brown/Tatum or Wall/Beal? I think it's without a doubt the latter, and that duo is nowhere near good enough to win you a championship.

This is "let's build around Jefferson and Green" all over again. Building around the young guys is the most sure-fire way to a decade of mediocrity.

[C3LTSF4N]

Some fans are out of touch with reality

Danny is not foolish like Morey

Look at the mess the Rockets are facing now

Masai clearly lucked out with the Leonard trade for a guy he was going to give up on anyways (Derozan)

Look at our mess, buddy.

I don't think people understand what a fail of epic proportions we're witnessing here. We're not just talking about some minor mistake. The Nets trade will live on in NBA infamacy as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

In 20 years, when some GM wants to trade his aging star for a bunch of picks, people will say "Remember the Celtics? How did that work out for them?"... and those people will be absolutely right to bring this up.

What are you talking about?

1st... Pierce and KG have long retired but  the assets they got for them are only in their infancy stage

2nd... Ainge "took" a chance with Irving... gave up just an ok 8th pick

3rd ... why are you acting like its Davis or nothing? Brown and Tatum are still really young.  They could keep getting better or ina year or two, you can pair them with a nice addition vs trade or FA

Last season mistep is not a true reprensentation of what these "young" guys could/can do

Ah, I see, the good old "Who knows" defense...how convenient, considering it absolves everyone who has been wrong for years now of any responsibility and allows them to safe face. You might not be able to see where this train is headed, but some of us are.

We have seen 2 years of Tatum and 3 years of Brown, long enough to know that they will never be good enough to win you a championship.

I just posted this in another thread, but what do you think, which pair of players is more talented, Brown/Tatum or Wall/Beal? I think it's without a doubt the latter, and that duo is nowhere near good enough to win you a championship.

This is "let's build around Jefferson and Green" all over again. Building around the young guys is the most sure-fire way to a decade of mediocrity.

yikes

[Casperian]

yikes

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[C3LTSF4N]

yikes

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I agree

[Casperian]

yikes

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I agree

[Stig]

Danny Failed, no sugar coating needed. He failed because he always wants a deal to rob the other team, he’s successfully done that many times, but that goal of winning a trade has clouded his judgment, the goal should be winning a champion

[SparzWizard]

22-year or more drought, here we come 

Exactly what's gonna happen. Keep stockpiling drafts only to not get us anywhere.

[TheSundanceKid]

Lol, I'm happy we kept Tatum. Right decision to keep him off the table.

Davis was going to be here for a year. Only a numpty would have given serious assets for him to come to Boston. And the Lakers package was a great haul, Tatum was needed to beat it. No thank you!

[LarBrd33]

yikes

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I agree

Honestly, I agree with you.  I don't expect to see this team contending for the foreseeable future. 

We had a top 25 player with Kyrie.  That's a cornerstone, but it's not enough.  The team still needed a 2nd and 3rd star - preferably one who was a Top 5 player.   Losing Kyrie is a big step backwards.  Boston is now on the hunt for their first all-star. 

[GreenFaith1819]

After the dust has settled a bit you have to realize that LA gave up A LOT for AD...

Three of those picks are UNPROTECTED...check them out for yourself.

The future picks going to the Pelicans include a 2021 pick that will go to New Orleans if it is in the top eight in that year's draft -- and will become an unprotected pick in 2022 if it isn't -- sources told ESPN's Tim Bontemps.

In addition, the deal includes a pick swap in 2023, which is unprotected, as well as an unprotected first-round pick in 2024 that the Pelicans will have the right to defer until 2025, sources told Bontemps.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis

You have to read nearly half-way down in the article to dig this out but this has serious potential to be DISASTROUS for LA - especially given LeBron's advancing age AND AD's injury history.

And AD - if things truly go south in LA - could VERY WELL leave again in a year, lol - I guess they won't sign him long-term to keep cap flexibility or something like that?

Truly a desperate move for LA...if this is not WIN-NOW mode I don't know what is. Talk about mortgaging your future.

Once the dust settles and the talking heads in the Sports Media get off LA's bandwagon they TOO will have to seriously critique this trade.

I said it before yesterday - sometimes the best trades are the ones NOT MADE...I'm glad Danny stepped away from this.

[GreenFaith1819]

Kudos to David Griffin. He is fighting for NOH. Kudos to Danny as well - for stepping away.

[cltc5]

Despite all the praise I’m not that high on AD as a game changer.  He’s a great offensive big but seriously what has he done for his team throughout his career?

[cltc5]

This whole "bashing" and "fire" DA thing is stupid.

DA put the C's in a position to acquire AD, and he got Irving,Hayward(whole still can come back around) Horford,Brown,Tatum and Smart all in the process.

We weren't in the room while these deals are being discussed. We don't know how much more out side of Tatum NOLA wanted, maybe DA got annoyed with a continuous outrages demand and told them to F off, and NOLA went to LA.

MAybe it was clear AD wasn't going to sign with Boston next summer, so DA pulled out. The KG situation was different, he didn't want to leave, but DA made it look good to him. Leonard could be different because he's a different kind of person, kinda like KG were he's not about the lights and fame, but straight up wants to win.

Whats funny is a lot of people wouldn't have put Leonard the the "superstar" category a couple years ago. Now with the playoff run and finals win, he's now being talked about being the best player in the league. He's not flashy like the AD.Irving,Westbrooks of the league, but he's got that it factor when it comes to winning, and thats bigger than how many points and rebounds some one can get.

I think this team can get close with some adjustments. A lot depends on Brown/Tatum making the jump, and Hayward rounding to form, but this team will be far from teams like the Knicks.

Even if you have to wait a couple more years for Brown and Tatum to become stars, it could be worth it. It would have been faster if DA didn't hire Stevens and traded for IT, I mean how dare they make the playoffs every year but one since the PP/KG trade...

So then why didn't Ainge trade for him last summer?

Because there's no guarantee he stays, and it's not worth giving up prime assets.

Just because he won in Toronto doesn't mean he could have won in Boston. If anything, him and Kyrie Irving might have clashed. And then both would have left and we lost Jaylen Brown and other assets to the Spurs.

Same way he is not trading for AD now.

I bash Danny a lot, but this is the point here.  You don’t trade for what ifs.  Kawhai and AD were both non guarantees that they stay.  You wanna talk abou a rebuild?  What if we trade for KL AND AD and we get no championship and they both walk.  We’re left with hayward Horford and smart and no picks...yippee!  Furthermore, if Toronto taught us anything is that team chemistry matters.  If Danny beleives brad is the man, then we need to get players that will play for him and each other or get a new coach.  We’re trying to trade for guys that are looking at the other chicks...why do we want them here?

[mctyson]

I don't agree with "fire Danny."

I'm theoretically cool with a youth movement.

That said, Danny Ainge supposedly planned for years to trade for AD.  Now he lost his nerve at the last minute.

Does Danny have a way to build another contender before he retires?  I don't think so.

The next MVP caliber player to play for the Celtics hasn't been drafted yet.

This had nothing to do with nerves and had everything to do with the fact that they were basically guaranteed that Davis was a 1-year rental.

You do not mortgage your entire future for that. 

[mctyson]

I think we would have AD, if Kyrie committed.

I can’t fault Ainge for that. Kyrie is pretty flaky, and apparently didn’t want to be here.

I agree, but I cannot really understand why Kyrie does not want to be here.

He got his wish to be "the man" in one of the biggest sports markets in the world, for one of the most famous franchises.  He was instantly added to a contending roster.  All of the best players were locked up for at least a couple years.  He has one of the more respected coaches in the league right now.  He was a front-office with incredible stability and a willingness to invest in them team, along with a laser-like focus on winning.

What went wrong?

What else does he want, outside of playing in New York or LA, that he cannot have here?

My guess is that Kyrie wanted more roster-building influence, like Lebron had in Cleveland, but he made a couple fatal assumptions:

(1) He is not Lebron

(2) Danny and Wyc are not Dan Gilbert & Co.

(3) You absolutely cannot flex your status to get your own roster when you are a flight risk

This probably boiled over at the trade deadline, when Kyrie essentially crushed the rest of the Celtics season with his attitude and comments.  And now, the love is lost (if it was ever there).