Author Topic: Is it just me, or is the quality of conversation around here at an all-time low?  (Read 10493 times)

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I feel like itís nearly impossible to have a solid basketball conversation around here lately. The BBIQ, level of observation, and ability to communicate all seem to be at a middle school level. 

I honestly feel dumber for reading about 40% of the posts on here.  I donít know what it is, but I wish people would try harder.  Hot takes + sheer stupidity = a pretty unreadable mess.
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100%

It's especially annoying because I feel like half the time when I try and have a discussion with someone here they literally don't read anything I've written in reply, and just retort with the same thing that I'd addressed in my own post.

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Agreed, it's pretty bad.  It almost doesn't make sense to take the time support your arguments/counterarguments with relevant facts and statistics since they'll likely just end up being ignored.  Some people cannot be rationalized with no matter how well your make your case.  Of course, not supporting arguments adequately just leads to low quality discussions, as we see now.

I also see some threads topics that are just immediately facepalm inducing.  And that's not being condescending or thinking that I somehow know more about basketball than others.  It's just that those topics, and their respective premise(s), are really silly.  And wrong.  I see one in the "Latest Discussions" right now.

There's still some quality posters though.  And game threads are still cool.  Where else can we consistently vent about the NBA's atrocious officiating?

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I feel like itís nearly impossible to have a solid basketball conversation around here lately. The BBIQ, level of observation, and ability to communicate all seem to be at a middle school level. 

I honestly feel dumber for reading about 40% of the posts on here.  I donít know what it is, but I wish people would try harder.  Hot takes + sheer stupidity = a pretty unreadable mess.

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The problem with this thread is everybody is going to agree, but nobody will think they are to blame.

I am not going to claim I have this sophisticated level of knowledge and understanding of the NBA and its intricacies, but I sure hope I am not being pinpointed in this thread (because I generally do agree with the premise).

Anyway, yeah, it would be great if people took facts, analyzed them, and then presented their posts in a way that shows they understand those facts.

I will go first on an issue (that isnít salary cap related). Under no circumstance should anybody want Kyrie to walk in FA. This would be a massive loss of an asset. At the very worst, people should want us to sign him for the max and then eventually trade him if it is just not working out. I really have no idea what people think we have to gain by him simply signing with another team in FA...because it is certainly not cap space to sign somebody else.

Edit: nice response sceltic34 - tp to you and Roy
« Last Edit: May 19, 2019, 01:10:19 AM by jambr380 »

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I feel like itís nearly impossible to have a solid basketball conversation around here lately. The BBIQ, level of observation, and ability to communicate all seem to be at a middle school level. 

I honestly feel dumber for reading about 40% of the posts on here.  I donít know what it is, but I wish people would try harder.  Hot takes + sheer stupidity = a pretty unreadable mess.
This is the first season I've been around, but maybe it's due to the disappointment of how our season went? I dunno, but I agree it has gotten worse as the year progressed.
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Again, I donít know if you are pinpointing any individuals, but I will say that I actually do like having LB back here positing long, well-thought our posts. His opinion may be a bit off-beat at times, but I genuinely appreciate the effort that goes into his posts and there is often good dialogue that comes from them.
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Agreed.

People here ask the same dumb questions, and rehash irrational trade ideas that would never work in any scenario or even from any GM's view point.

Maybe I'm bitter, but I miss the days of saltlover and when other posters like BBallTim and a few others made great articulated threads.

People still don't understand sign and trades and there have been over 10 threads about it now...

I simply am losing hope in coming back, because some people are being delusional and literally unable to have a consistent debate or argument without getting their feelings hurt.

Anyways end rant.

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Agreed.

People here ask the same dumb questions, and rehash irrational trade ideas that would never work in any scenario or even from any GM's view point.

Maybe I'm bitter, but I miss the days of saltlover and when other posters like BBallTim and a few others made great articulated threads.

People still don't understand sign and trades and there have been over 10 threads about it now...

I simply am losing hope in coming back, because some people are being delusional and literally unable to have a consistent debate or argument without getting their feelings hurt.

Anyways end rant.

This is why I use celtics reddit more.
Reddit really isn't much better... at all.
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The problem with this thread is everybody is going to agree, but nobody will think they are to blame.

I am not going to claim I have this sophisticated level of knowledge and understanding of the NBA and its intricacies, but I sure hope I am not being pinpointed in this thread (because I generally do agree with the premise).

Anyway, yeah, it would be great if people took facts, analyzed them, and then presented their posts in a way that shows they understand those facts.

I will go first issue (that isnít salary cap related). Under no circumstance should anybody want Kyrie to walk in FA. This would be a massive loss of an asset. At the very worst, people should want us to sign him for the max and then eventually trade him if it is just not working out. I really have no idea what people think we have to gain by him simply signing with another team in FA...because it is certainly not cap space to sign somebody else.

Edit: nice response sceltic34 - tp to you and Roy

I think people ( myself included) were really upset about how the season ended and that led to many very hot takes.

I agree with the Kyrie point. I also do not see the point in giving up assets to trade for a point guard who will cost assets when we already have Kyrie's Bird rights. Kyrie had some bad games in The Bucks series but he's still a top 25 player and still in his prime.

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I usually always keep my posts to a minimum (i.e. brevity is my best friend). So maybe in that sense I am part of the issue youíre describing.

But with that being said, I have been annoyed by the lack of knowledge regarding cap-issues, CBA, how trades and free agency and the draft work, etc. for some time now.

Iíve been here for almost 15 years (under two names!) and this is the only time Iíve actually considered stopping.

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I didnít know that this was an appropriate conversational topic. Yes, of course. The trade proposals arenít usually legal, or are so convoluted that they would never happen (3 team trades with a sign and trade and the math doesnít work). Or theyíre really bad for us (like trading Kyrie for Whiteside). People make the same basketball/statistical logic mistakes over and over again (the team was better without Kyrie because the record was better). Lots of really hot takes, particularly revolving around Kyrie Irving. It makes me question whether some of the posters actually want the Celtics to win a title, or if theyíd prefer to be correct about their hatred of him. Sorry, lots of Kyrie examples... recency bias.

I started frequenting the Celtics reddit page instead, and frankly, it wasnít much better. I fear that the majority of fans (of any team) are low information contributors. They have never played basketball at any significant level, very casually watch games (opportunity to drink vs nail biting horror), donít know the CBA or cap math, donít understand NBA plays very well (like the types of defenses, offensive sets) and have a low understanding of statistics and basketball statistical algorithms. The one positive of reddit is that the garbage gets downvoted fairly quickly. I wish that this forum had that type of organic feedback system.

I am mainly currently using this site as a refresh for off-season updates and using strong discipline to not click on anything involving trade ideas or ďwhat went wrong.Ē
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The problem with this thread is everybody is going to agree, but nobody will think they are to blame.

I am not going to claim I have this sophisticated level of knowledge and understanding of the NBA and its intricacies, but I sure hope I am not being pinpointed in this thread (because I generally do agree with the premise).

Anyway, yeah, it would be great if people took facts, analyzed them, and then presented their posts in a way that shows they understand those facts.
Completely agree. I hope I'm not in the group of posters being lumped together in this thread as well, I do try to form an opinion after analysing statistics and facts.

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I fear that the majority of fans (of any team) are low information contributors. They have never played basketball at any significant level, very casually watch games (opportunity to drink vs nail biting horror), donít know the CBA or cap math, donít understand NBA plays very well (like the types of defenses, offensive sets) and have a low understanding of statistics and basketball statistical algorithms. The one positive of reddit is that the garbage gets downvoted fairly quickly. I wish that this forum had that type of organic feedback system.
I understand your points, but I've never played basketball at any significant level (I pretty much only play basketball outdoors), yet I don't run around throwing out illegal trade proposals, and I do try to understand what types of sets NBA teams try to run before talking about tactics and stuff. Not a huge stat guru though, it'll probably be my focus alongside more complex basketball sets and plays in the future.

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Iím not sure what is more to blame.
The fans with their uneducated bland posts or
The watered down product that the nba is lately and the people it attracts as fans?
When I go to Indianapolis to see a game itís always the same ridiculous cheap circus show when there are breaks in the game.
Like literally players would be walking out the field and there would be people carrying burnings hoops or other accessories bumping into them. Iím like do fans have to be entertained with this hodgepodge every single second the basketball isnít moving?
When you add the 5 fast breaks a game that end with a three point attempt ... then I would ask myself what is this watered down version of a competitive team sport I wasted my night to watch
What kind of person would fund it amusing ?