Woj: Celtics in on Mike Conley (Rumor)

[Silky]

Was there any reason at all the team signed Gordon Hayward to a 120 million dollar contract?  Seriously? Literally ANY reason?

21.9p 2.5as 1st 5.4r 39%3p  53.6%eFG

Or 20-5-4 over a near 250 game stretch.

But this guy hates Gordon Hayward for no real reason, so I wouldn't recommend getting into this debate

And there was alot of money to spend that offseason, and if teams didnt spend, they wouldnt have gotten anyone.

Hayward was also perceived as arguably the top free agent after Durant that offseason as well, and was the Celtics second choice.

[jambr380]

Was there any reason at all the team signed Gordon Hayward to a 120 million dollar contract?  Seriously? Literally ANY reason?

21.9p 2.5as 1st 5.4r 39%3p  53.6%eFG

Or 20-5-4 over a near 250 game stretch.

But this guy hates Gordon Hayward for no real reason, so I wouldn't recommend getting into this debate

Unless I am mistaken, but wouldn't that mean that his per season averages would reflect that?

That is nearly 3 seasons, so shouldn't he have at least a season when he averaged those numbers?

I ask so as to be informed, perhaps I am missing something.

You should probably just look up his stats for the 2014-15, 15-16, and 16-17 seasons and you will see that he averaged slightly over or slightly under those numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

Again, this was a three-year stretch where Hayward was clearly the best scorer and all-around player on a playoff team. Coming off his best season as an All-Star, we were lucky (at the time) that he didn't make an All-NBA team and get a supermax offer from Utah.

Edit: I see you edited your post, so you probably already confirmed those numbers on your own before seeing my post.

[Silky]

Was there any reason at all the team signed Gordon Hayward to a 120 million dollar contract?  Seriously? Literally ANY reason?

21.9p 2.5as 1st 5.4r 39%3p  53.6%eFG

Or 20-5-4 over a near 250 game stretch.

But this guy hates Gordon Hayward for no real reason, so I wouldn't recommend getting into this debate

you are right but sometimes i can't help it........ ignoring reality is where i draw a line..

I’m bullish on Hayward next year after a summer of mostly training than rehab.  I’m especially bullish if Tatum is sent in a trade for Davis.  More minutes to be had on the wing.  There were stretches from January forward where Hayward’s per 36 numbers were excellent.

2 games over 20 points and 2 games over 30 points January onward.
 .523 and .36 shooting February onward
4rebounds and 3 assists per game.

Gordon isnt a bad player, even coming off the bench. Im not opposed to keeping him, I just dont want him ahead of
Davis or Tatum or Brown in the pecking order, nor do I think he should be.

I would also rather trade him than tatum for Davis

But if keeping Hayward is for some reason a must, then I guess he should run as a point forward of sorts with Smart and Brown both on the wings to offset his defensive issues.

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

And hopefully Hayward returns to 100% or more previous form, cause without 110% Utah Hayward, Davis and a nice improvement from Brown that team is still only top 4-7 in the NBA (assuming all teams stay the same, GS, Toronto and Milwaukee are all better, and Philly is neck and neck as is Houston

[Silky]

Was there any reason at all the team signed Gordon Hayward to a 120 million dollar contract?  Seriously? Literally ANY reason?

21.9p 2.5as 1st 5.4r 39%3p  53.6%eFG

Or 20-5-4 over a near 250 game stretch.

But this guy hates Gordon Hayward for no real reason, so I wouldn't recommend getting into this debate

Unless I am mistaken, but wouldn't that mean that his per season averages would reflect that?

That is nearly 3 seasons, so shouldn't he have at least a season when he averaged those numbers?

I ask so as to be informed, perhaps I am missing something.

You should probably just look up his stats for the 2014-15, 15-16, and 16-17 seasons and you will see that he averaged slightly over or slightly under those numbers.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

Again, this was a three-year stretch where Hayward was clearly the best scorer and all-around player on a playoff team. Coming his best season as an All-Star, we were lucky (at the time) that he didn't make an All-NBA team and get a supermax offer from Utah.

Edit: I see you edited your post, so you probably already confirmed those numbers on your own before seeing my post.

I did, but TP for the effort

[Silky]

If the team makes a deal for Davis, and Kyrie is not resigned then I hope Conley is the PG target. Although I am not sure how those deals could possibly work out.

It would have to include some sorts of sign and trades, otherwise would have to trade away half the team.

So S&T Irving to Brooklyn for assets to send to memphis or NOP?
S&T Rozier as part of the deal?

I can see NOP wanting Rozier and tatum together with a couple of picks, so perhaps that would work out.?

So Irving for Dinwiddie
Dinwiddie and Memphis pick for Conley?

Side note is OKC shopping their 21/players for shooting and help now. Perhaps a landing spot for a morris S&T?

[celticinorlando]

Really like Conley. Seems like he would be a good fit in Stevens system, a strong leader and a team first PG.

[jbpats]

I like Conley as well, but like others dont see how contracts would work.

I think he is actually a better fit then Kyrie and certainly a better option then paying Rozier 15 mil+ per year.

[td450]

If the team makes a deal for Davis, and Kyrie is not resigned then I hope Conley is the PG target. Although I am not sure how those deals could possibly work out.

It would have to include some sorts of sign and trades, otherwise would have to trade away half the team.

So S&T Irving to Brooklyn for assets to send to memphis or NOP?
S&T Rozier as part of the deal?

I can see NOP wanting Rozier and tatum together with a couple of picks, so perhaps that would work out.?

So Irving for Dinwiddie
Dinwiddie and Memphis pick for Conley?

Side note is OKC shopping their 21/players for shooting and help now. Perhaps a landing spot for a morris S&T?

If you can find some way to pry Dinwiddie from the Nets without giving too much up, I say you just roll with him. Dinwiddie earns about $20M less than Conley, so this trade doesn't work anyway.

If Kyrie leaves, Dinwiddie is a nice fit, with or without Davis. He's 6'6 and can play point. Pair him with Brown, and you have the league's biggest backcourt. He scored almost 17 ppg in 28 minutes last year. He's a solid passer and defender and he's on a cheap 3 year extension.

[Tr1boy]

The only reason I can see the Nets wanting to do a sign and trade for Irving is that they can exhaust the trade exception they received from Hawks (Crabbe trade).  Then they would have more money to spend via free agency period

If Celts know Irving is planning to sign with the NETS, why not try to benefit from the situation.  All parties benefit

Now if the Nets want to go after AD  (now that Durant has possibly torn his achilles),  they don't have enough assets to go after him unless they trade Russell, Allen, Dinwiddie and multiple 1sts.  I don't know, just can't see them going skeleton like this unless AD committed to a long term deal (in this scenerio, use TE for AD trade and sign Irving as a FA)

Unless you think Kyrie is going to take less in salary than the TPE is worth, that’s not how it works

Please explain

Nets have 15m trade exception from the Crabbe trade, no?

[Silky]

If the team makes a deal for Davis, and Kyrie is not resigned then I hope Conley is the PG target. Although I am not sure how those deals could possibly work out.

It would have to include some sorts of sign and trades, otherwise would have to trade away half the team.

So S&T Irving to Brooklyn for assets to send to memphis or NOP?
S&T Rozier as part of the deal?

I can see NOP wanting Rozier and tatum together with a couple of picks, so perhaps that would work out.?

So Irving for Dinwiddie
Dinwiddie and Memphis pick for Conley?

Side note is OKC shopping their 21/players for shooting and help now. Perhaps a landing spot for a morris S&T?

If you can find some way to pry Dinwiddie from the Nets without giving too much up, I say you just roll with him. Dinwiddie earns about $20M less than Conley, so this trade doesn't work anyway.

If Kyrie leaves, Dinwiddie is a nice fit, with or without Davis. He's 6'6 and can play point. Pair him with Brown, and you have the league's biggest backcourt. He scored almost 17 ppg in 28 minutes last year. He's a solid passer and defender and he's on a cheap 3 year extension.

that is true.

But it does work easier to S&T for Dinwiddie.

We can take back less salary, they can take back more.


I believe it works as a three way as well, but maybe not due to BYC rules, not sure if they kick in or not.

[Vermont Green]

It seems to me that this would be about salvaging something for Kyrie through a sign and trade to create a trade exemption or directly as a three way.  I agree with those saying we are not likely to trade an asset like Hayward for Conley.  It doesn't make sense for us or for Memphis.  But if it ends up being a few picks for Conley in some kind of a sign and trade involving Irving, I can see the logic in that.

[Tr1boy]

Tbh I also cant see this happening

Nets probably wont deal with the Celts for decades to come

[celticinorlando]

Not moving Hayward for Conley. I think that sets the Cs back. Have faith Hayward returns to form and I want those 2 playing together.

[keevsnick]

Yes this is very tricky.  S&T only allows us a TPE of about 20 million, and that exception cant be combined with other player salary to bring back more than that. So all these example with Smart + 20 Million TPE dont actually work. Anybody we bring back has to fit in the TPE alone. Also there is little reason Brooklyn would help us out by doing a S&T when they already have cap space to sign him outright, not for something like the 20th pick anyway. Any Conley trade is gonna be for Hayward or Horford, but for obvious reasons I can't see Horford being a part of it. So it would have to be Hayward and say a pick (or two). Its very arguable whether that is worth it, but I could see it happen if Ainge decides he needs to balance the roster with a PG. Not the first or second option probably however.

[jambr380]

Yes this is very tricky.  S&T only allows us a TPE of about 20 million, and that exception cant be combined with other player salary to bring back more than that. So all these example with Smart + 20 Million TPE dont actually work. Anybody we bring back has to fit in the TPE alone. Also there is little reason Brooklyn would help us out by doing a S&T when they already have cap space to sign him outright, not for something like the 20th pick anyway. Any Conley trade is gonna be for Hayward or Horford, but for obvious reasons I can't see Horford being a part of it. So it would have to be Hayward and say a pick (or two). Its very arguable whether that is worth it, but I could see it happen if Ainge decides he needs to balance the roster with a PG. Not the first or second option probably however.

Even though it is incredibly unlikely, we weren't describing proposals where the TPE was combined with players. It was either something like Irving S&T and Smart for a giant TPE big enough to fit Conley or a three-way deal where Irving goes to BKN in a S&T and Smart goes to MEM and we are able to bring back Conley because of the amount of salary we sent out.

With those possibilities off the table, I agree that I would rather just roll the dice with Hayward.