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Re: Daniel Theis - Done for the season
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2018, 04:18:36 PM »

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Theis's loss severely weakens the team defense.  Monroe is a much better offensive player but he just can't move defensively because he's not that great an athlete (by NBA standards).  Theis is cat quick, plays great team defense and can rim protect.  Couple his loss with Smart going down and they're going to struggle against good teams. 

It'll show up in their inability to get stops at key moments of games.

The stats simply don't bear this out. Monroe has an excellent DRtg and DBPM. Where is this insane fallacy coming from that he's a bad defender?

Re: Daniel Theis - Done for the season
« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2018, 04:42:53 PM »

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Theis's loss severely weakens the team defense.  Monroe is a much better offensive player but he just can't move defensively because he's not that great an athlete (by NBA standards).  Theis is cat quick, plays great team defense and can rim protect.  Couple his loss with Smart going down and they're going to struggle against good teams. 

It'll show up in their inability to get stops at key moments of games.

The stats simply don't bear this out. Monroe has an excellent DRtg and DBPM. Where is this insane fallacy coming from that he's a bad defender?
You must be looking at some of the garbage stats found on basketball reference.  Monroe gets a good defensive rating because their formula is derived from defensive rebounds, steals and blocked shots.  Because he has a high def. reb %, steal % and block % he is awarded a very good defensive rating, you simply cannot determine a players defensive value by looking at those few box score statistics.  The C's have given up a whopping 110.7 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor so far.  He is terrible defending on the perimeter, extremely slow and is targeted relentlessly when he is in the game.  These garbage formulas think Andre Drummond is good also and that is just ludicrous as his team is always significantly better defensively without him on the floor.

Re: Daniel Theis - Done for the season
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2018, 05:07:28 PM »

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Hurts losing Theis. Felt our bigs all brought a progessive level of skill to physical force type of game.

Horford being high skilled but least physical.
Theis second most skilled but more physical that Horford.
Monroe third skilled and good physical banger (offense).
Baynes most physical with some OK skill.

Yab or Semi will have to get spot minutes at the four unless Tatum and Morris can take on extra minutes there.

Monroe is more skilled than Theis. Theis has no post game to speak of, isn't a great shooter, and an average passer. I mean I'm glad he's on the team and hope he can make it back 100% next year, but the Theis overhyping has become a little silly..
I am overhyping because I rate him above Monroe skill wise? Theis is better at pick and pop, pick and roll, spreading the floor, sharing the ball, and defense. That's a majority of today's game. And I never said Monroe or Theis are great players. Both are solid roleplayers. Losing Theis hurts.

Re: Daniel Theis - Done for the season
« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2018, 06:57:00 PM »

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Theis's loss severely weakens the team defense.  Monroe is a much better offensive player but he just can't move defensively because he's not that great an athlete (by NBA standards).  Theis is cat quick, plays great team defense and can rim protect.  Couple his loss with Smart going down and they're going to struggle against good teams. 

It'll show up in their inability to get stops at key moments of games.

He actually has a defensive rating of 98.6 for us per 100 possessions. Where are your numbers from?

The stats simply don't bear this out. Monroe has an excellent DRtg and DBPM. Where is this insane fallacy coming from that he's a bad defender?
You must be looking at some of the garbage stats found on basketball reference.  Monroe gets a good defensive rating because their formula is derived from defensive rebounds, steals and blocked shots.  Because he has a high def. reb %, steal % and block % he is awarded a very good defensive rating, you simply cannot determine a players defensive value by looking at those few box score statistics.  The C's have given up a whopping 110.7 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor so far.  He is terrible defending on the perimeter, extremely slow and is targeted relentlessly when he is in the game.  These garbage formulas think Andre Drummond is good also and that is just ludicrous as his team is always significantly better defensively without him on the floor.

Re: Daniel Theis - Done for the season
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2018, 11:30:56 PM »

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Theis's loss severely weakens the team defense.  Monroe is a much better offensive player but he just can't move defensively because he's not that great an athlete (by NBA standards).  Theis is cat quick, plays great team defense and can rim protect.  Couple his loss with Smart going down and they're going to struggle against good teams. 

It'll show up in their inability to get stops at key moments of games.

The stats simply don't bear this out. Monroe has an excellent DRtg and DBPM. Where is this insane fallacy coming from that he's a bad defender?
You must be looking at some of the garbage stats found on basketball reference.  Monroe gets a good defensive rating because their formula is derived from defensive rebounds, steals and blocked shots.  Because he has a high def. reb %, steal % and block % he is awarded a very good defensive rating, you simply cannot determine a players defensive value by looking at those few box score statistics.  The C's have given up a whopping 110.7 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor so far.  He is terrible defending on the perimeter, extremely slow and is targeted relentlessly when he is in the game.  These garbage formulas think Andre Drummond is good also and that is just ludicrous as his team is always significantly better defensively without him on the floor.

Monroe's main weakness on D is his slow feet guarding the pick and roll.
He's a rotating door defending the PnR unfortunately.
I think Brad will clean his stuff up a bit, but his lateral footwork is just awful.
A shame because he has good footwork, just not sideways footwork.
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