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Deep Dive on Celts and Potential Playoff Opponents
« on: March 01, 2017, 07:29:01 PM »

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The playoffs are just around the corner, and while the seeding is not perfectly set, we have a pretty good idea of who will be in the Eastern Conference playoffs, and who is likely to play whom.

The Celts are currently in 2nd with a 38-22 overall record, but their track record against quality opponents is not quite as impressive.

For this analysis I'm going to use the Four Factors traditionally used to measure how effective teams are on offense and defense - Rebounds, Shooting Efficiency, Turnovers, and Free Throws.

In addition to the Four Factors, I'm going to throw in another factor -- Three Point Shooting.  Specifically: Volume Three Point Shooting.

All stats from ESPN, NBA.com, or TeamRankings.com.


Here's how Boston stacks up.

Offense:

25th - Offensive Rebound Rate
16th - Free Throws Made per 100 possessions
8th - Effective Field Goal %
5th - Turnovers per possession

Defense:

29th - Defensive Rebound Rate
7th - Opponent EFG%
23rd - Opponent FTM/100
15th - Opponent Turnovers per possession

Additional Factor - 3-pointers

3rd - 3PM per game
14th - O. 3PM per game

Overall this tells a story we've heard many times before: they are bad at rebounding.  They're mediocre at getting to the line, and they foul too much.  Those weaknesses, especially on the boards, have been a frequent topic of discussion in these parts over the years.

The surprises this year are that they are a really good shooting team that takes care of the ball, but they don't force very many turnovers.  Last year, they took a good number of threes yet shot poorly.  At the same time, they forced a crazy number of turnovers and generated lots of transition looks.  It's kind of astonishing how much has changed in both of those areas.  The Celts have much of the same personnel but the basis of their success has changed pretty substantially since last season.



Now, as for the Celts' potential playoff opponents.


Cleveland

Offense:

3rd - EFG%
16th - ORR
14th - FTM/100
14th - TO per poss.

Defense:

17th - OEFG%
20th - DRR
3rd - OFTM/100
23rd - O. TO per poss.

3-pointers:

2nd - 3PM per game
23rd - O3PM per game

Cleveland doesn't look like a great team by the stats. They score with good efficiency, they don't foul a lot on defense, and they hit a lot of threes.  They're mediocre or worse at everything else.  But they have this guy named LeBron James and he has a tendency to take his game up a few notches in the post-season.

Season Series:

The Cavs have beaten the Celts twice in two games so far this season (they play again tonight).  The margin of victory was an average of 6 points.  Both games were high scoring affairs, as you'd expect between two efficient offensive teams with poor defense.  Generally speaking, the Celts had no answers for LeBron and Kyrie, while Love and Thompson dominated the boards.  The Celts can score on the Cavs, but they don't have much hope of stopping them.



Toronto

Offense:

11th - EFG%
9th - ORR
1st - FTM/100
2nd - TO per poss.

Defense:

18th - OEFG%
20th - DRR
25th - OFTM/100
3rd - O. TO per poss.

3-pointers:

19th - 3PM per game
18th - O. 3PM per game


The Raptors are a really good offensive team, solid all-around.  Their only notable weakness on that end is that they are a below average team in terms of volume of 3 pointers.  But they don't turn it over, they score with efficiency, they pound the glass, and they get to the line a lot.

They're well below average on defense, though they force a lot of turnovers to make up for it.  Also, who knows how Lowry's injury, combined with their trade deadline additions, will affect these rankings.  It's hard to be sure what this team will be in a few month's time.

Season Series:

The Raptors won the season series 3-1.  The only time the Celts beat the Raps was a game when Derozan was out with an injury.  In the other 3 games, the Raptors won by an average of 8.33 points.  Derozan averaged 36 points in those games.  Bottom line: Demar Derozan eats the Celts alive.



Washington

Offense:

7th - EFG%
11th - ORR
24th - FTM/100
19th - TO per poss.

Defense:

19th - OEFG%
26th - DRR
16th - OFTM/100
2nd - O. TO per poss.

3-point Shooting:

21st - 3PM per game
17th - O3PM per game

The Wiz don't get to the line much and they turn the ball over too often, but they are a pretty good offensive team.  That said, they're not going to kill you from deep.  On the defensive end, they're not very good, but they do force a lot of turnovers. 

It's not a bad recipe.  Their starting lineup is excellent -- the Wall / Beal / Porter / Morris / Gortat lineup LEADS THE LEAGUE in +/- among 5-man units that have played at least 100 minutes together.

Season Series:

The Celts are 1-2 against the Wizards this season.  None of the games have been especially close.  Isaiah scored 38 against them in January, but the wing duo of Beal and Porter has posed problems for the Celts, as both guys are significantly larger than their counterparts on the Celts.  There is nowhere for Isaiah to hide defensively in this matchup, and neither Wall nor Beal is a great physical matchup for AB.  Still, the Wizards have a poor bench (though it's been significantly upgraded recently) and are not elite on either end of the floor.



Atlanta

Offense:

19th - EFG%
14th - ORR
21st - FTM/100
27th - TO per poss.

Defense:

8th - OEFG%
18th - DRR
4th - OFTM/100
4th - O. TO per poss.

3-point shooting:

22nd - 3PM per game
28th - O. 3PM per game

The Hawks are a good defensive team.  In particular, they force a lot of turnovers without fouling too much.  However, they give up a lot of threes without hitting very many themselves.  They're not a good offensive team.

Season Series:

The Celts were blown out by the Hawks a couple nights ago.  Previously, they eked out a win 103-101.  On paper it's not a bad matchup, but the Hawks are a well-coached team with a lot of talent in the frontcourt.  One would hope there would be no shortage of motivation for Al Horford if the teams were to meet in the playoffs.



Chicago

Offense:
30th - EFG%
2nd - ORR
4th - FTM/100
9th - TO per poss.

Defense:
20th - OEFG%
8th - DRR
2nd - OFTM/100
19th - O. TO per poss.

3-pointers:
30th - 3PM per game
7th - O. 3PM per game

Chicago is a team of extremes.  They are a terrible shooting team, and are dead last in the league in three pointers made.  However, they are really good on the boards and don't give up a lot of threes.  They also get to the line a lot and don't foul very often on defense.

Season Series:

The Celtics are currently 1-2 against Chicago for the season, with one more match coming up.  The games were relatively close, however, most notably the game before the All-Star break that ended on a phantom shooting foul called on Marcus Smart at the buzzer.

This matchup worries me.  The Bulls are a deeply flawed team, but their strengths match up well with the Celts' weaknesses, and they have some veteran gamers in Butler and Wade.  It wouldn't shock me if Playoff Rondo showed up for a game, even.  I want no part of the Bulls in the post-season.  Even if the Celts win, it would be an ugly series with lots of offensive rebounds extending possessions and a myriad trips to the free throw line.



Indiana

Offense:

12th - EFG%
26th - ORR
15th - FTM/100
15th - TO per poss.

Defense:

12th - OEFG%
28th - DRR
24th - OFTM/100
9th - O. TO per poss.

3-pointers:

26th - 3PM per game
26th - O. 3PM per game

The Pacers are not especially good at anything apart from forcing turnovers and making Celtics fans angry at Danny Ainge.  They are a poor three point shooting team that doesn't rebound the ball, get to the line especially often, or defend the three point line.  They do have some talented size in Paul George and Myles Turner, however.  I would be somewhat concerned about those two having a game or two and making it a series.  But I would not be seriously worried about the Pacers.

Season Series:

Unsurprisingly, the Celts have won both their matchups against the Pacers this season by multiple possessions.



Detroit

Offense:

24th - EFG%
14th - ORR
30th - FTM/100
3rd - TO per poss.

Defense:

16th - OEFG%
1st - DRR
4th - OFTM/100
25th - O. TO per poss.

3-pointers:

28th - 3PM per game
5th - O. 3PM per game

Give SVG some credit.  His Pistons are well-coached.  They defend the glass.  They don't send opponents to the line too much.  They don't turn the ball over.  They don't give up a lot of outside shots.  That said, they can't shoot very well themselves, they really can't generate or make free throws, and they don't force turnovers.  There just isn't a strong path to victory for this team.  If they even make the playoffs, they'll be a quick out.

Season Series:

The Celts are 2-1 against the Pistons this season, though the games have been relatively close.  I'd be a little worried about a 1st round series going to six or seven games just because Harris and Morris take advantage of size mismatches to hit a ton of mid-range shots and Drummond averages 20 boards a game.  Still, the Pistons are just not a very good team on either end, and that limits their ability to force an upset.


Conclusions:

The Celtics better keep a top 2 seed and hope that it's Indiana or Detroit on the other side of the ticket in the 1st round.  Those teams just don't have enough strengths to really take advantage of the Celts' weaknesses.  If it's the Bulls or Hawks (or the Raptors slip), I would be pretty concerned.

If the Celts make it that far, a 2nd round matchup against the Raptors or Wizards could be really unpleasant for the Celts.  It'll take a full strength Celtics squad operating at peak efficiency to beat those teams, especially in light of the improvements those teams made to their rosters. 

As for the Cavs, their regular season numbers are characteristically unimpressive, but they have too much firepower not to score a ton on any Eastern Conference opponent they may face.  On defense, LeBron will need to step up his game, which he has shown year after year that he can and will do.  However, the minutes load he's taken on this season makes one wonder if he might finally show some mortality this season. 

Even if he does, it seems unlikely the Celts will be there to face him in the ECF.  You have to wonder if there's another gear for this Celts team.  We've already seen Isaiah Thomas take his game a notch higher than we'd seen it previously over the course of the regular season.  The defensive intensity, either on the boards or in the passing lanes (both would be even better) will need to increase if the Celts want to have a post-season worth remembering.
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Re: Deep Dive on Celts and Potential Playoff Opponents
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Tonight, the Celts basically matched the Cavs in free throws, and hit three more from outside.

That would have to be the equalizer for the Celts if these teams meet in the playoffs. Nailing a bunch of threes and getting to the line about as often as the Cavs.

The Cavs of course were missing Kevin Love, who would have helped the Cavs with their deficit in the rebounding battle and with their struggles to hit from deep.
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Yeah, Ideally its Pistons/Pacers. Id take the Cs against Bulls/Hawks though its harder. Wizards/Raptors are very hard and Cavs I'd say Im picking the Cavs.

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if the C's keep the 2nd seed, we will likely only have to make thru the Wizards in the second round before a Cavs team.  If things shake up too much, toronto and hawks start to come into the C's path. 

A first round against the Bulls will be a challenge especially because they rebound extremely well, but I think the C's can win that match up in 5 or 6 games.  Also, the emphasis that series will have on rebounding will prepare the team for other match ups like the Cavs or Raptors etc.

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I'm still not worried about the Wiz, come playoff time I think they'll be easy to work out.
Atlanta I am worried about, they are so well drilled. Fortunately I think they stick in that 4/5 bracket.
I don't worry about the Pacers or the Bulls. I see them both as an opportunity to remind those teams that they aren't going anywhere as constructed.
Toronto will be tough as expected but every game has been close, small improvements can deal with a lot of what they throw at us.
Cleveland are a team far beyond us, despite that win. To me they are the favourites to win it all if everyone is healthy. Still I'd love to have a crack at them, anything can happen!

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I'd rather the Bulls than the Pistons be honest.  Both our losses against them this year were pretty flukey, and I doubt playoff Wade or playoff Rondo exist anywhere except for our memories. 

Also note that their rebounding has gotten significantly worse with the departure of Taj Gibson.


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I think the Heat might get into the Playoffs. being playing well for a while now.

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I think the Heat might get into the Playoffs. being playing well for a while now.

If they do get in, it will almost certainly be as the 8th seed.  While it's not impossible that the Celts grab the 1 seed from the Cavs (they're 3 games back with 21 games left), I think it's pretty unlikely.

With that said, here's how Miami stacks up:

Offense:

16th - EFG%
12th - ORR
14th - TO per poss.
29th - FTM/100

Defense:

4th - OEFG%
14th - DRR
17th - O. TO per poss.
19th - OFTM/100

Basically, they're a mediocre team, especially in terms of generating points via free throws.  They do defend shots pretty well.

I wouldn't be afraid of the Heat.
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One thing to keep in mind with Washington is how they play with and without a healthy Beal, and how likely it is that he'll stay healthy for the playoffs.

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The latest 538 projections are:

Cavs (55 wins)
Celtics (53)
Wiz (49)
Raptors (48)
Hawks (45)
Pacers (41)
Bulls (41)
Heat (39)
Pistons (39)

So good chance it's one of Pacers/Bulls/Heat/Pistons.

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Big TP for the effort to develop this.

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The surprises this year are that they are a really good shooting team that takes care of the ball, but they don't force very many turnovers.  Last year, they took a good number of threes yet shot poorly.  At the same time, they forced a crazy number of turnovers and generated lots of transition looks.  It's kind of astonishing how much has changed in both of those areas.  The Celts have much of the same personnel but the basis of their success has changed pretty substantially since last season.

I've noticed the team has shifted sharply from last year's balls-to-the-wall hustling attacking defense and transition approach to a more up-tempo possession-based offense with less defensive gambling, and hustle plays are more situational (Smart excluded).

While the new defensive mindset hurt our numbers, especially earlier in the season, I'm a fan of the strategy. Our advantages in effort and transition last year were exactly the ones that don't translate well to more intense playoff atmospheres, but our approach this season seems tailored to perform better. Still deeply flawed, especially on the boards, though.

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The latest 538 projections are:

Cavs (55 wins)
Celtics (53)
Wiz (49)
Raptors (48)
Hawks (45)
Pacers (41)
Bulls (41)
Heat (39)
Pistons (39)

So good chance it's one of Pacers/Bulls/Heat/Pistons.

Outside of getting the one seed, that's about as ideal of a scenario as possible, though I greatly prefer Indy to Chicago in the first round. And Washington would be a really, really fun and contentious second round matchup that I give us the edge in with home court advantage.

With all of our injuries this year, 53 wins would be a great success. I expected 55 or more, but hard to complain about 53, especially with our significant injury concerns this season.
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Big TP for the effort to develop this.

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The surprises this year are that they are a really good shooting team that takes care of the ball, but they don't force very many turnovers.  Last year, they took a good number of threes yet shot poorly.  At the same time, they forced a crazy number of turnovers and generated lots of transition looks.  It's kind of astonishing how much has changed in both of those areas.  The Celts have much of the same personnel but the basis of their success has changed pretty substantially since last season.

I've noticed the team has shifted sharply from last year's balls-to-the-wall hustling attacking defense and transition approach to a more up-tempo possession-based offense with less defensive gambling, and hustle plays are more situational (Smart excluded).

While the new defensive mindset hurt our numbers, especially earlier in the season, I'm a fan of the strategy. Our advantages in effort and transition last year were exactly the ones that don't translate well to more intense playoff atmospheres, but our approach this season seems tailored to perform better. Still deeply flawed, especially on the boards, though.

I have a feeling this is all purposely done. I mean, they are playing 100% defense because it takes a tole on each body throughout the season. It is not a surprise to see AB much better offensively, because he let go defensively a little (specially on full court defense), AB mention that in an interview. Against the Cavs, we have witness that when they really want to defend, they CAN.
The only concern is boxing out for the rebound (as Tommy mention it during the game).
I'm pretty sure our defense will solidify come playoff and that the entire team will be healthy.