Chad Ford tweets about CHA as a possible Celtics trade partner with CBlog's KO

[spikelovetheCelts]

if Ainge somehow trades up for #9....maybe then, that allows him to move up and grab #4 from the Knicks....we got chips.

I expect a ride ride on June 25th. Should be a fun draft night

[Endless Paradise]

Four other teams passed on Noel. If Noel ended up like Embiid, no one would be questioning any of those teams for not drafting him. That was a gamble that paid off for Philly, let's not lose sight of that. We very easily could've been mocking Sam Hinkie for trading away an All-Star point guard for an injury-plagued big.

As for MKG, he's 21 years old and has made significant strides in his offensive capability. Couple that with the fact that he's already a solid defender and it's still much too early to deem it a mistake to have picked him. If Charlotte had their way, they would've drafted Anthony Davis, but the ping pong balls didn't bounce in their favor.

[konkmv]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

[GzUP617]

if Ainge somehow trades up for #9....maybe then, that allows him to move up and grab #4 from the Knicks....we got chips.

I expect a ride ride on June 25th. Should be a fun draft night

 I like this type of thinking right here. 

[slamtheking]

if Ainge somehow trades up for #9....maybe then, that allows him to move up and grab #4 from the Knicks....we got chips.

and the goal for getting #4 is what?  also, what assets are you giving up to get not just #9 but move up again to #4?  is there anyone that will be at 4 that is that much of sure thing to justify giving up a bunch of assets?  IMHO, I don't think there is in this draft.
- Mudiay/Russell - already have Smart.
- Winslow - nice wing prospect but no sure thing to be more than the next Evan Turner
- WCS - defensive-only center.  would plug a defensive hole (presumably) but #4 would seem a bit of a stretch to get him and would you really want to give all those assets up for a 1-way player?
- Porzingis/Hezonja -- speculation they could be good.  could be Euro busts too.
-->after this group now you're at #9 so need to trade up.  Hopefully the assets to get here aren't too costly since the prizes are Johnson and Turner.

[Future Celtics Owner]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

This years draft was also "loaded with centers" then it turned out that there were 2 elite centers going in the top 2, a nutcase and a 1 dimensional defense only athlete. Only one of which could we draft at our slot (him being the nutcase).

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

Maybe Ingram will tear an ACL maybe he will stay in college maybe he will go in the top 3 and we wont get him, maybe he will get to college and become Lebryan Nash or Cliff Alexander.

I mean when we moved on from the big 3 there were people saying "just get Wiggins next year, then Okafor after that, then rebuild around Rondo Wiggins Green Sully/KO Okafor."

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

That poster would be me, but I am sure you already knew that. I also use to end my posts with "next year get Karl Towns" I also liked to keep CB updated with Towns' progression and made many threads for that. You are more than free to pm me. Actually a few people this time last year pm'ed me about Karl Towns . He was ranked 17 on both draft express and not expected to leave until his sop year on nbadraft.net. I exchanged videos with them and some of my predictions.

Quote from: Future Celtics Owner on September 19, 2014, 08:10:42 PM
So Towns has the ability(a lot like D Cousins, but probably more) to play power forward...imo. He really does have such a unique set of skills for a player his size and length (7''  7'4'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach)
I think playing at Kentucky this year is gonna get him super prepared for playing in the NBA. I have to admit I wish he was more athletic, but he is still very young and imo is still more capable than many "centers" in the league today.

What are your thoughts?

Many are talking about Okafor but he just seems like a Carlos Boozer type.

Karl was just one of my favorite prospects, Gobert was another. Both were very longs shots. At the time Myles Turner was the heavily ranked #1 prospect in the class . None of the drafting sites had a lot on Karl, maybe you remember. He was the Gatorade player of the year, but that means little to nothing.
The drafting process is part science and part gut and I love it. Its maybe my favorite part of basketball. Even today I am thinking of starting a draft site with ALL info on prospects. Something much like draft express but with updated measurements logged in quicker(some players have none at all, but a search will find them) and then a mix of nbadraft.net   with all the videos right there so ppl don't have to search. Also I'd like to have another mock draft like the class of 2017 and in a few months the class 2018. Doing a mock draft is hard enough, but doing 2 more classes is very hard and impossible to get correct because kids grow/take a step in their game/get exposure they did not get before. But some kids you can tell: like Dennis Smith Jr in the 2017 draft.

And yes I have high hopes for Ingram. He moves super quick for his length and has great handles. For his height and length he has a great skill set, reminds me of a mix between Durant, Giannis. You also should know that Ben Simmons and Skal are both a year older than him, he is almost a year too young for his class.
Anyway I hope we cleared all that up. I'm not claiming to be an expert but I love the draft process and the hunt for prospects.

BTW I love Myles Turner and Upshaw for realistic picks. Honestly, feel free to pm me and we can talk about Turner or Upshaw.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

I think those trades would have to get it done. But don;t forget Upshaw late in the first. That would be a great haul.

[slamtheking]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

I think those trades would have to get it done. But dont forget Upshaw late in the first completely. That would be a great haul.

fixed it for you

[LGC88]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

I think those trades would have to get it done. But don;t forget Upshaw late in the first. That would be a great haul.

Hey man, I think the draft night will be stressful for you. You'll have to wait a long time before someone pick Upshaw. And you will obviously be worried somebody else pick him up

[Tr1boy]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

Bad idea

[Ilikesports17]

Bradley and 28 for 9
sully and 16 for 10
get johnson and turner
koufos should be our first target in free agency

Bad idea

Hahaha I'm assuming these are your "nightmare picks" for this year?

For me Id be heated if we sacrifice a bunch of assets to get WCS.

If we get Johnson and turner id be delighted. I think you are underrating their skillets.

[Ilikesports17]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

This years draft was also "loaded with centers" then it turned out that there were 2 elite centers going in the top 2, a nutcase and a 1 dimensional defense only athlete. Only one of which could we draft at our slot (him being the nutcase).

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

Maybe Ingram will tear an ACL maybe he will stay in college maybe he will go in the top 3 and we wont get him, maybe he will get to college and become Lebryan Nash or Cliff Alexander.

I mean when we moved on from the big 3 there were people saying "just get Wiggins next year, then Okafor after that, then rebuild around Rondo Wiggins Green Sully/KO Okafor."

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

That poster would be me, but I am sure you already knew that. I also use to end my posts with "next year get Karl Towns" I also liked to keep CB updated with Towns' progression and made many threads for that. You are more than free to pm me. Actually a few people this time last year pm'ed me about Karl Towns . He was ranked 17 on both draft express and not expected to leave until his sop year on nbadraft.net. I exchanged videos with them and some of my predictions.

Quote from: Future Celtics Owner on September 19, 2014, 08:10:42 PM
So Towns has the ability(a lot like D Cousins, but probably more) to play power forward...imo. He really does have such a unique set of skills for a player his size and length (7''  7'4'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach)
I think playing at Kentucky this year is gonna get him super prepared for playing in the NBA. I have to admit I wish he was more athletic, but he is still very young and imo is still more capable than many "centers" in the league today.

What are your thoughts?

Many are talking about Okafor but he just seems like a Carlos Boozer type.

Karl was just one of my favorite prospects, Gobert was another. Both were very longs shots. At the time Myles Turner was the heavily ranked #1 prospect in the class . None of the drafting sites had a lot on Karl, maybe you remember. He was the Gatorade player of the year, but that means little to nothing.
The drafting process is part science and part gut and I love it. Its maybe my favorite part of basketball. Even today I am thinking of starting a draft site with ALL info on prospects. Something much like draft express but with updated measurements logged in quicker(some players have none at all, but a search will find them) and then a mix of nbadraft.net   with all the videos right there so ppl don't have to search. Also I'd like to have another mock draft like the class of 2017 and in a few months the class 2018. Doing a mock draft is hard enough, but doing 2 more classes is very hard and impossible to get correct because kids grow/take a step in their game/get exposure they did not get before. But some kids you can tell: like Dennis Smith Jr in the 2017 draft.

And yes I have high hopes for Ingram. He moves super quick for his length and has great handles. For his height and length he has a great skill set, reminds me of a mix between Durant, Giannis. You also should know that Ben Simmons and Skal are both a year older than him, he is almost a year too young for his class.
Anyway I hope we cleared all that up. I'm not claiming to be an expert but I love the draft process and the hunt for prospects.

BTW I love Myles Turner and Upshaw for realistic picks. Honestly, feel free to pm me and we can talk about Turner or Upshaw.

I've got no problem with having favorite prospects etc. good on you for scoping out Gobert and Towns.

The thing that seems ridiculous to me is when people build future lineups including players from drafts more than a year in the future. I typically don't start following a class till the college season starts, but if Ingram is half what you predict him to be I don't think he'll be available outside the top 3 and it seems highly highly unlikely we will be able to pick him.

Like i said I remember people including drafting wiggins and okafor as a part of future plans.

[csfansince60s]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast

Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

I'd be happier taking him at 16 than giving up assets to get Stanley J at 9.

Physically, they are close to the same player, but Anderson is the better athlete. Johnson is not anywhere near  explosive vertically as Anderson is.

Also, Johnson's motor doesn't approach Anderson's. But everybody says he has upside and Anderson not so much. I don't think that the potential difference between the two in however many years it takes Johnson to get there, if ever, is worth extra assets to move up to get him. Turner, WCS, Hezonja, Winslow (if any fall, maybe), but for me not Johnson.

This from Draftexpress:

Johnson's potential as a defender didn't always translate into production on this end of the floor. He has a tendency to take plays off at times, getting beat off the dribble a little more than you'd like, and not always quite showing that junkyard dog mentality he gives you in small doses. He's at times too focused on showing off his potential as a scorer, which appeared to be a source of frustration for his coaches and teammates at times, getting tunnel vision as a passer and not looking locked in consistently defensively.


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3dGC6wF4j
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Future Celtics Owner]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

This years draft was also "loaded with centers" then it turned out that there were 2 elite centers going in the top 2, a nutcase and a 1 dimensional defense only athlete. Only one of which could we draft at our slot (him being the nutcase).

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

Maybe Ingram will tear an ACL maybe he will stay in college maybe he will go in the top 3 and we wont get him, maybe he will get to college and become Lebryan Nash or Cliff Alexander.

I mean when we moved on from the big 3 there were people saying "just get Wiggins next year, then Okafor after that, then rebuild around Rondo Wiggins Green Sully/KO Okafor."

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

That poster would be me, but I am sure you already knew that. I also use to end my posts with "next year get Karl Towns" I also liked to keep CB updated with Towns' progression and made many threads for that. You are more than free to pm me. Actually a few people this time last year pm'ed me about Karl Towns . He was ranked 17 on both draft express and not expected to leave until his sop year on nbadraft.net. I exchanged videos with them and some of my predictions.

Quote from: Future Celtics Owner on September 19, 2014, 08:10:42 PM
So Towns has the ability(a lot like D Cousins, but probably more) to play power forward...imo. He really does have such a unique set of skills for a player his size and length (7''  7'4'' wingspan, 9'5'' standing reach)
I think playing at Kentucky this year is gonna get him super prepared for playing in the NBA. I have to admit I wish he was more athletic, but he is still very young and imo is still more capable than many "centers" in the league today.

What are your thoughts?

Many are talking about Okafor but he just seems like a Carlos Boozer type.

Karl was just one of my favorite prospects, Gobert was another. Both were very longs shots. At the time Myles Turner was the heavily ranked #1 prospect in the class . None of the drafting sites had a lot on Karl, maybe you remember. He was the Gatorade player of the year, but that means little to nothing.
The drafting process is part science and part gut and I love it. Its maybe my favorite part of basketball. Even today I am thinking of starting a draft site with ALL info on prospects. Something much like draft express but with updated measurements logged in quicker(some players have none at all, but a search will find them) and then a mix of nbadraft.net   with all the videos right there so ppl don't have to search. Also I'd like to have another mock draft like the class of 2017 and in a few months the class 2018. Doing a mock draft is hard enough, but doing 2 more classes is very hard and impossible to get correct because kids grow/take a step in their game/get exposure they did not get before. But some kids you can tell: like Dennis Smith Jr in the 2017 draft.

And yes I have high hopes for Ingram. He moves super quick for his length and has great handles. For his height and length he has a great skill set, reminds me of a mix between Durant, Giannis. You also should know that Ben Simmons and Skal are both a year older than him, he is almost a year too young for his class.
Anyway I hope we cleared all that up. I'm not claiming to be an expert but I love the draft process and the hunt for prospects.

BTW I love Myles Turner and Upshaw for realistic picks. Honestly, feel free to pm me and we can talk about Turner or Upshaw.

I've got no problem with having favorite prospects etc. good on you for scoping out Gobert and Towns.

The thing that seems ridiculous to me is when people build future lineups including players from drafts more than a year in the future. I typically don't start following a class till the college season starts, but if Ingram is half what you predict him to be I don't think he'll be available outside the top 3 and it seems highly highly unlikely we will be able to pick him.

Like i said I remember people including drafting wiggins and okafor as a part of future plans.

Of course. The thing with Ingram is that he is very young for his class. Jaylen, Simmons, and skal are all a year older. Ingram is skinny and being younger may limit what he can physically do against college kids. We will see.

Also I believe we will not make the playoffs next year and probably will have a much worse record. This year solidified CBS as a legit coach and no matter what team we put out there I know he will have them working hard, but I am hoping Danny is looking to trade role players and get better draft order.

[greece66]

if Ainge somehow trades up for #9....maybe then, that allows him to move up and grab #4 from the Knicks....we got chips.

and the goal for getting #4 is what?  also, what assets are you giving up to get not just #9 but move up again to #4?  is there anyone that will be at 4 that is that much of sure thing to justify giving up a bunch of assets?  IMHO, I don't think there is in this draft.
- Mudiay/Russell - already have Smart.

Use  circularity and problem solved 
You just give up the player you will have replaced through the draft.