Would you draft-day trade our pick (#7-11) for Nerlens Noel?

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

That's silly.  If you want to go that route, the Knicks are on track for the 4th pick as well.  The Knicks odds of getting the 4th pick are actually slightly higher than the Sixers odds (35.7% to 31.9%).  The Sixers are on track to have a 55.8% chance for a top 3 pick.   

[jonaslopes]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

Saric will probably remain in Europe one more year.  As for the draft, I think there is a good chance they'd draft Towns if he is available.  He'll probably be the best player out of this draft in 3 years. 

[celticsclay]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

Saric will probably remain in Europe one more year.  As for the draft, I think there is a good chance they'd draft Towns if he is available.  He'll probably be the best player out of this draft in 3 years.

Saric is not expected next year, that is correct. They also definitely wouldn't play Noel as a backup. I think they end up with 4 and 19. I don't want to derail the thread but teams with protected pick restrictions very rarely lose them if they don't want to, if you want to look at recent examples teams do the most blatant things to keep these picks. The number of optimists for philly getting these picks is a little ridiculous.

Lets say they end up with Russel and Wood. They presumably would sign a free agent or two this off-season to get above salary floor

Russell/vet/Canaan (not sure if canaan is nba level backup, may need a vet
Wroten/Grant/Filler
Mbah Moute/Covington/Richardson
Noel/vet/Christian Wood
Embiid/vet/Sims

That is probably another 25 win outfit without any vets added.. year 3 of tanking looms with hopes heat and lakers are terrible.

[fandrew]

I feel like Philly may be in a position where they will have almost too many assets after this draft. They are going to have to make trades this summer. Many of their players are at their highest value this summer due to potential and rookie contracts. And Philly will be stocked with these guys. I imagine that they will look at the skillsets of about 3 or 4 guys from the last 3 years that they want (counting this draft) and everyone else will be traded to put together a strong roster that will make the playoffs at the least, and become a contender within a year or two.

[celticsclay]

I feel like Philly may be in a position where they will have almost too many assets after this draft. They are going to have to make trades this summer. Many of their players are at their highest value this summer due to potential and rookie contracts. And Philly will be stocked with these guys. I imagine that they will look at the skillsets of about 3 or 4 guys from the last 3 years that they want (counting this draft) and everyone else will be traded to put together a strong roster that will make the playoffs at the least, and become a contender within a year or two.

That would be a really big turnaround and would benefit the Celtics. If this crazy scenario came to light the Celtics would get the Philly First round pick next year! Hinkie is betting on his team being bad

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

Saric will probably remain in Europe one more year.  As for the draft, I think there is a good chance they'd draft Towns if he is available.  He'll probably be the best player out of this draft in 3 years.

Saric is not expected next year, that is correct. They also definitely wouldn't play Noel as a backup. I think they end up with 4 and 19. I don't want to derail the thread but teams with protected pick restrictions very rarely lose them if they don't want to, if you want to look at recent examples teams do the most blatant things to keep these picks. The number of optimists for philly getting these picks is a little ridiculous.

Lets say they end up with Russel and Wood. They presumably would sign a free agent or two this off-season to get above salary floor

Russell/vet/Canaan (not sure if canaan is nba level backup, may need a vet
Wroten/Grant/Filler
Mbah Moute/Covington/Richardson
Noel/vet/Christian Wood
Embiid/vet/Sims

That is probably another 25 win outfit without any vets added.. year 3 of tanking looms with hopes heat and lakers are terrible.

I fully expect the Sixers to tank again next year unless a star player becomes available for trade.  Hinkie won't waste cap space on mediocre vets that will get a few more wins for no purpose.  The following year is when I think they'll push for the playoffs.

If the Heat were going to tank, why haven't they done so already?  As long as Wade and Dragic are healthy and the Heat are in the playoff hunt, I expect they'll try to make the playoffs.  The Sixers probably won't get the Lakers pick until next year but it still should be a top 10 pick. 

[dreamgreen]

I'd give up our pick and either Sully or KO. We need a center and I assume Danny can get a PF in free agency.

[celticsclay]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

Saric will probably remain in Europe one more year.  As for the draft, I think there is a good chance they'd draft Towns if he is available.  He'll probably be the best player out of this draft in 3 years.

Saric is not expected next year, that is correct. They also definitely wouldn't play Noel as a backup. I think they end up with 4 and 19. I don't want to derail the thread but teams with protected pick restrictions very rarely lose them if they don't want to, if you want to look at recent examples teams do the most blatant things to keep these picks. The number of optimists for philly getting these picks is a little ridiculous.

Lets say they end up with Russel and Wood. They presumably would sign a free agent or two this off-season to get above salary floor

Russell/vet/Canaan (not sure if canaan is nba level backup, may need a vet
Wroten/Grant/Filler
Mbah Moute/Covington/Richardson
Noel/vet/Christian Wood
Embiid/vet/Sims

That is probably another 25 win outfit without any vets added.. year 3 of tanking looms with hopes heat and lakers are terrible.

I fully expect the Sixers to tank again next year unless a star player becomes available for trade.  Hinkie won't waste cap space on mediocre vets that will get a few more wins for no purpose.  The following year is when I think they'll push for the playoffs.

If the Heat were going to tank, why haven't they done so already?  As long as Wade and Dragic are healthy and the Heat are in the playoff hunt, I expect they'll try to make the playoffs.  The Sixers probably won't get the Lakers pick until next year but it still should be a top 10 pick.

They probably quietly already have. Last Thursday the team announced that Wade would not play because of an injured hip. Wade disputed that report saying he didn't. From rotoworld:

"It's just the NBA season," Wade said. "It's my whole body. So you pick the one when you don't play." In other words, it sounds like the Heat rested Wade in the first half of a back-to-back set on Friday. Although, it's worth a mention that the Heat are just 1.5 games back for the No. 10 spot in the lottery, which is important because their first-round pick going to Philly is top-10 protected. Wade is questionable tonight and we should know more in a couple hours. Mar 7 - 4:13 PM"

For tonight they have whiteside, deng and haslem and dragic as game time decisions. If they lose tonight you may see some more of this. A lot of the wind went out of their sails the moment Bosh went out as he was their most irreplaceable player.

[tazzmaniac]

The Sixers are currently on track for the 2nd, 12th and possibly 19th (coin flip).

Correction: The Sixers are currently on track for the 4th, 12th and possibly 19th pick. Remember, the lotteries odds as to where the Sixers pick will land are highest in finishing 4th even though they have the 2nd worst record. Also remember 2007. The C's ended up 5th even though they had the 2nd worst record.

They could draft Russell, Winslow, Wood and second rounds. Interesting young roster:

D'Angelo Russell / Isaiah Canaan
Tony Wroten / Jerami Grant / 2nd round shooter (Rashad Vaughn?)
Justise Winslow / Robert Covington / 2nd round SF (say, Alexander Vezenkov)
Dario Saric / Christian Wood
Joel Embiid / Nerlens Noel

Saric will probably remain in Europe one more year.  As for the draft, I think there is a good chance they'd draft Towns if he is available.  He'll probably be the best player out of this draft in 3 years.

Saric is not expected next year, that is correct. They also definitely wouldn't play Noel as a backup. I think they end up with 4 and 19. I don't want to derail the thread but teams with protected pick restrictions very rarely lose them if they don't want to, if you want to look at recent examples teams do the most blatant things to keep these picks. The number of optimists for philly getting these picks is a little ridiculous.

Lets say they end up with Russel and Wood. They presumably would sign a free agent or two this off-season to get above salary floor

Russell/vet/Canaan (not sure if canaan is nba level backup, may need a vet
Wroten/Grant/Filler
Mbah Moute/Covington/Richardson
Noel/vet/Christian Wood
Embiid/vet/Sims

That is probably another 25 win outfit without any vets added.. year 3 of tanking looms with hopes heat and lakers are terrible.

I fully expect the Sixers to tank again next year unless a star player becomes available for trade.  Hinkie won't waste cap space on mediocre vets that will get a few more wins for no purpose.  The following year is when I think they'll push for the playoffs.

If the Heat were going to tank, why haven't they done so already?  As long as Wade and Dragic are healthy and the Heat are in the playoff hunt, I expect they'll try to make the playoffs.  The Sixers probably won't get the Lakers pick until next year but it still should be a top 10 pick.

They probably quietly already have. Last Thursday the team announced that Wade would not play because of an injured hip. Wade disputed that report saying he didn't. From rotoworld:

"It's just the NBA season," Wade said. "It's my whole body. So you pick the one when you don't play." In other words, it sounds like the Heat rested Wade in the first half of a back-to-back set on Friday. Although, it's worth a mention that the Heat are just 1.5 games back for the No. 10 spot in the lottery, which is important because their first-round pick going to Philly is top-10 protected. Wade is questionable tonight and we should know more in a couple hours. Mar 7 - 4:13 PM"

For tonight they have whiteside, deng and haslem and dragic as game time decisions. If they lose tonight you may see some more of this. A lot of the wind went out of their sails the moment Bosh went out as he was their most irreplaceable player.

They managed Wade's minutes last year and this year and will do so next year.  His body can't handle an 82 game regular season anymore.  He sat out the Wizards game but then he played 35 minutes in the overtime win against Sacramento.  They're now tied for 8th seed and 2.5 games out of 10th.  Wade doesn't have too many more seasons in him so I don't see him shutting it down until they are out of the playoff hunt.  The Heat pick is top 10 protected in 2015 and 2016 and then unprotected in 2017.  So its not like our Philly or Minny picks that revert to 2nd rounders.