Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?

[Eddie20]

To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

Not bad but unrealistic due to sheer size.

Funny, this is a deal both fan bases will hate, which means it's likely fair.

I'd be in if they gave us an unprotected 1st this season.

Our spacing along the perimeter (MKG, Stephenson, Smart) would still be an issue. We would need a serious knock down shooter at the 3 to space the floor.

[LarBrd33]

I keep trying to think of some way to package both Rondo and Green to the Hornets.  It's a team that needs a shake-up badly.  They have too many big men prospects (Vonleh and Biyombo getting buried).  They severely underuse MKG despite the fact he's 21 and arguably their best player... his PER is the best on the team, he's statistically the best defender on the team... and yet he can't crack 30 minutes consistently because of his lack of offense (which is improving now that he's re-worked his shot).  Stephenson has been a wild disappointment for them... his efficiency has fallen off considerably, but that likely has to do with the system and coach.  I also feel like kemba walker is wildly overrated and overpaid.  He's an inefficient back-up imo.   

But Big Al is solid.  THey made the playoffs last year.  I'd look at their roster, find all the things that aren't working... and steal those assets before they realize what they have.

To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

I do that without blinking.   There's a team option where Lance only has 2 years on his deal... so if this gamble doesn't work for us, we will not be stuck with him long.  Last year he averaged 14 points, 4.6 assists, 7.2 rebounds on 49%/35%/71% shooting.  Despite how horrible he looks in the armpit of Charlotte, that's a player with talent and the size to play SG (6-5 230).   I start him over Bradley and make Smart our starting PG... or keep Smart off the bench this year and give Lance the ball-handling duties.     As for MKG... I'm telling you, that kid is about to break out.  He looks really really good this year.  And I sincerely believe MKG would be an overall improvement over Green despite the fact that Green has been scoring well.  MKG does so many things so well and that offense is coming around (he completely rebuilt his shot this summer and it actually looks good).   He's 21!  Kid is still 2 years younger than Olynyk.   As for Biyombo, maybe I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that he's Ben Wallace on the Magic.  His Per-36 numbers are delightful:  10 points, 14 rebounds, 3.4 blocks on 57% shooting  ... He seems to produce every time he's on the court.  He's got insane length and athleticism and has all the makings of an elite rim protector.  His offense isn't great, but who cares... he can hang around the rim and get dunks.  Worst-case scenario, that kid has a Perk-like career.     Vonleh has potential... solid asset... I know he has a lot of fans here.  He's 19 years old... good project to bring on. 

That would be all about embracing the youth movement.  From Charlotte's perspective, it's a little dicey, though.  Biyombo is expendable for them... they might not make him a qualifying offer this summer, because they already have an all-star big (Jefferson) and a couple higher profile projects (Cody Zeller... now starting... as well as Vonleh if they keep him).  MKG, though... if you ask the fans they'll say he's the most valuable asset on the team.  They seem to think MKG is the best player on the team and just getting held back.   However, if you could sucker them into picking up Jeff Green (and his temporary scoring consistency... which the Hornets desperately need), maybe they'd be open to moving MKG.    Bigger problem is how they feel about Rondo, how Rondo feels about extending in Charlotte, and what they would do with Kemba Walker.  Rondo would be a big boost for them.  Rondo + Al + Green might be an improvement.   But Kemba Walker is a overrated chucker who is too small to play SG.   He just signed a 44 mil contract, so moving him is probably not an option.   That makes this pretty unlikely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbRUTHGLu9s

I assume you mean it's turrible for the Hornets.  I agree.  They'd be getting owned in that deal.  That's way too much to give up for big name overrated veterans like Rondo and Jeff Green. 

[chambers]

No they are not. Jeff Green is a role player that doesn't do anything elite. He can score if he gets the ball put in the right place for him by a point guard like Rondo. He doesn't pass, doesn't rebound, doesn't lock down defensively.
He shoots the three nicely and he has the size to guard most NBA 2's, 3's and some PF's.
He's expiring and the only reason Ainge thinks about keeping him is if he gives us a bargain deal to stay around after we gave him the penthouse suite for 4 years after heart surgery.

On a side note......LarBrd33's trade idea is very fair value. The Hornets are overpaying there actually.

[TheFlex]

I keep trying to think of some way to package both Rondo and Green to the Hornets.  It's a team that needs a shake-up badly.  They have too many big men prospects (Vonleh and Biyombo getting buried).  They severely underuse MKG despite the fact he's 21 and arguably their best player... his PER is the best on the team, he's statistically the best defender on the team... and yet he can't crack 30 minutes consistently because of his lack of offense (which is improving now that he's re-worked his shot).  Stephenson has been a wild disappointment for them... his efficiency has fallen off considerably, but that likely has to do with the system and coach.  I also feel like kemba walker is wildly overrated and overpaid.  He's an inefficient back-up imo.   

But Big Al is solid.  THey made the playoffs last year.  I'd look at their roster, find all the things that aren't working... and steal those assets before they realize what they have.

To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

I do that without blinking.   There's a team option where Lance only has 2 years on his deal... so if this gamble doesn't work for us, we will not be stuck with him long.  Last year he averaged 14 points, 4.6 assists, 7.2 rebounds on 49%/35%/71% shooting.  Despite how horrible he looks in the armpit of Charlotte, that's a player with talent and the size to play SG (6-5 230).   I start him over Bradley and make Smart our starting PG... or keep Smart off the bench this year and give Lance the ball-handling duties.     As for MKG... I'm telling you, that kid is about to break out.  He looks really really good this year.  And I sincerely believe MKG would be an overall improvement over Green despite the fact that Green has been scoring well.  MKG does so many things so well and that offense is coming around (he completely rebuilt his shot this summer and it actually looks good).   He's 21!  Kid is still 2 years younger than Olynyk.   As for Biyombo, maybe I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that he's Ben Wallace on the Magic.  His Per-36 numbers are delightful:  10 points, 14 rebounds, 3.4 blocks on 57% shooting  ... He seems to produce every time he's on the court.  He's got insane length and athleticism and has all the makings of an elite rim protector.  His offense isn't great, but who cares... he can hang around the rim and get dunks.  Worst-case scenario, that kid has a Perk-like career.     Vonleh has potential... solid asset... I know he has a lot of fans here.  He's 19 years old... good project to bring on. 

That would be all about embracing the youth movement.  From Charlotte's perspective, it's a little dicey, though.  Biyombo is expendable for them... they might not make him a qualifying offer this summer, because they already have an all-star big (Jefferson) and a couple higher profile projects (Cody Zeller... now starting... as well as Vonleh if they keep him).  MKG, though... if you ask the fans they'll say he's the most valuable asset on the team.  They seem to think MKG is the best player on the team and just getting held back.   However, if you could sucker them into picking up Jeff Green (and his temporary scoring consistency... which the Hornets desperately need), maybe they'd be open to moving MKG.    Bigger problem is how they feel about Rondo, how Rondo feels about extending in Charlotte, and what they would do with Kemba Walker.  Rondo would be a big boost for them.  Rondo + Al + Green might be an improvement.   But Kemba Walker is a overrated chucker who is too small to play SG.   He just signed a 44 mil contract, so moving him is probably not an option.   That makes this pretty unlikely.

Yes a million times. TP.

[BDeCosta26]

I can't help but feel like the two are connected in regards to this teams plans.

Right now, the Celtics are in limbo teetering between adding some more vets/talent to Rondo/Green and making a run for it, or moving the two and starting from scratch.

I see a lot of posts talking about moving Green while he's playing the best ball of his career. This makes sense, but unless it brings back a bigger name, than Rondo will be more aggressive looking elsewhere this summer. Vice versa as well.

So is their a scenario where Ainge trades one but honestly intends to keep the other one?

I could see Ainge trading Green and keeping Rondo. I could even see him trading Rondo and keeping JG. The Jeff Green that we've seen this year could be a solid #2 or 3 on a good. He's been that good this year.

I remember reading that Zach Lowe believes there's a strong market for JG. And the way he's been playin, it's going to get stronger. Unfortunately he said Rondo is prob worth a late lottery pick. Like 12-23 , that's it. I think if you traded them both together, you might get something close to a lottery pick and some lower class prospects or filler. Or one upper tier young prospect. A Julius Randle type player, and some scraps. Never know though, Danny is a master at getting more than full trade value.

[ssspence]

if we package Rondo and Green together in a package, that better get us a superstar or a near superstar level player

Why would a team trade a star for Rondo and Green? And why would a team trade a star for Rondo and Green when they're both going to be FAs this summer?

This tells you what you need to know about the likelihood the two are packaged together in a trade.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I'd do RR, sully/ KO and Green for Paul George and Ihmini(or another piece). Green and Hibbert are friends. Maybe it gives them negotiating power with those guys bc they would be a great team.

For us we get a top 5 player and he does not play this year meaning we get better chance in the lottery.

Also we can always trade Paul George. In a year his contract will look like a bargain because of the salary cap changes. And he is the closest thing to our Paul Pierce in the league.

[jay]

This post is in reply to two threads.  1. Are Green and Rondo a package deal  2. What is Ainge's strategy.


If we traded Rondo and Green to Indiana for an unprotected first: (or to Charlotte or to Detroit)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o623p73


And say we didnt get a top 4 pick again because lets face it, we wont.


We draft Stanley Johnson at #6 or #7 and we draft Cliff Alexander with our lower lottery pick aquired from Indiana - would those 2 forwards along with Marcus Smart not be a really good trio to build around?  All 3 play defense and they are very athletic.

We have tons of young guys to put around them:  Sullinger, Zeller, Bradley, Olynyk, Turner

Plus we would have tons of cap space next summer because most of the guys coming back from Indiana along with Gerald Wallace would all be free agents in 2016.

Obviously if we get a top 4 pick we would get a center, but Im thinking evenn if we didnt it wouldnt be all that bad.  Theres always the Nets 2016 pick to go after a center.

[CFAN38]

I can't help but feel like the two are connected in regards to this teams plans.

Right now, the Celtics are in limbo teetering between adding some more vets/talent to Rondo/Green and making a run for it, or moving the two and starting from scratch.

I see a lot of posts talking about moving Green while he's playing the best ball of his career. This makes sense, but unless it brings back a bigger name, than Rondo will be more aggressive looking elsewhere this summer. Vice versa as well.

So is their a scenario where Ainge trades one but honestly intends to keep the other one?

I think they are a pair in that if DA plans to keep Rondo then Green stays.