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Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« on: December 14, 2014, 04:02:32 PM »

Offline BleedGreen1989

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I can't help but feel like the two are connected in regards to this teams plans.

Right now, the Celtics are in limbo teetering between adding some more vets/talent to Rondo/Green and making a run for it, or moving the two and starting from scratch.

I see a lot of posts talking about moving Green while he's playing the best ball of his career. This makes sense, but unless it brings back a bigger name, than Rondo will be more aggressive looking elsewhere this summer. Vice versa as well.

So is their a scenario where Ainge trades one but honestly intends to keep the other one?

« Last Edit: December 14, 2014, 06:47:02 PM by BleedGreen1989 »
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Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2014, 04:54:27 PM »

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No , Rondo is a top play maker and floor general in the league , Green is a 3rd or 4th option on a good team . No way I am paying Green more than 10 mil a year if I am Ainge . He scores , but is not really efficient , and is a slightly above average defender . Other than that he doesn't bring much to the table .

He is a tradeable asset now because he is an expiring contract (player option) and can be that 3rd or 4th scorer on a championship team . He likely demands 12-15 mil next year in free agency , and once he is signed to that type of deal , he will not be traded for unless the c's are taking back long term salary in exchange .

We are on pace for 27 wins , trade Green now while we can get some assets back , fall deeper into the lottery (trade chip) ,and it also guarantees to free up more money without worrying about Green picking up his option .   

I would want Green on the team if we had a # 1 or #2 scorer because he would be a good third option , but we have neither a # 1 or # 2 . No need to tie up money who is a # 3 option forced to be a go to guy .


Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2014, 04:59:24 PM »

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No , Rondo is a top play maker and floor general in the league , Green is a 3rd or 4th option on a good team . No way I am paying Green more than 10 mil a year if I am Ainge . He scores , but is not really efficient , and is a slightly above average defender . Other than that he doesn't bring much to the table .

He is a tradeable asset now because he is an expiring contract (player option) and can be that 3rd or 4th scorer on a championship team . He likely demands 12-15 mil next year in free agency , and once he is signed to that type of deal , he will not be traded for unless the c's are taking back long term salary in exchange .

We are on pace for 27 wins , trade Green now while we can get some assets back , fall deeper into the lottery (trade chip) ,and it also guarantees to free up more money without worrying about Green picking up his option .   

I would want Green on the team if we had a # 1 or #2 scorer because he would be a good third option , but we have neither a # 1 or # 2 . No need to tie up money who is a # 3 option forced to be a go to guy .

I likely agree with you, but how does Rondo feel if you trade the teams leading scorer for a draft pick or raw prospect?
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Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 05:01:37 PM »

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No , Rondo is a top play maker and floor general in the league , Green is a 3rd or 4th option on a good team . No way I am paying Green more than 10 mil a year if I am Ainge . He scores , but is not really efficient , and is a slightly above average defender . Other than that he doesn't bring much to the table .

He is a tradeable asset now because he is an expiring contract (player option) and can be that 3rd or 4th scorer on a championship team . He likely demands 12-15 mil next year in free agency , and once he is signed to that type of deal , he will not be traded for unless the c's are taking back long term salary in exchange .

We are on pace for 27 wins , trade Green now while we can get some assets back , fall deeper into the lottery (trade chip) ,and it also guarantees to free up more money without worrying about Green picking up his option .   

I would want Green on the team if we had a # 1 or #2 scorer because he would be a good third option , but we have neither a # 1 or # 2 . No need to tie up money who is a # 3 option forced to be a go to guy .

I likely agree with you, but how does Rondo feel if you trade the teams leading scorer for a draft pick or raw prospect?

it clears up more cap space and we gain more assets to use to surround Rondo with the all-star level talent we need . I am sure Ainge would let Rondo know this before he hits free agency .

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 05:22:46 PM »

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Quite possibly.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo, Green and Bass are all gone by the trade deadline.

As for Jeff Green, I could see OKC being a team that might be interested in him.
He used to play there as I am looking at their roster, they really have no back-up 3 for Durant besides Perry Jones.

Maybe something like Green and a future 2nd rounder for Reggie Jackson and Perk's expiring at the trade deadline.

As for Rondo, with the way he's been playing for the most part this season, here's the best I can see at this point.

Something like Rondo to Sacramento for
Stauskas and Derrick William's expiring.

I was listening to the Celts post game show on the way home from the Garden Friday night and Rondo only took 3 shots the whole game!! 3!!

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Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2014, 05:59:56 PM »

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I keep trying to think of some way to package both Rondo and Green to the Hornets.  It's a team that needs a shake-up badly.  They have too many big men prospects (Vonleh and Biyombo getting buried).  They severely underuse MKG despite the fact he's 21 and arguably their best player... his PER is the best on the team, he's statistically the best defender on the team... and yet he can't crack 30 minutes consistently because of his lack of offense (which is improving now that he's re-worked his shot).  Stephenson has been a wild disappointment for them... his efficiency has fallen off considerably, but that likely has to do with the system and coach.  I also feel like kemba walker is wildly overrated and overpaid.  He's an inefficient back-up imo.   

But Big Al is solid.  THey made the playoffs last year.  I'd look at their roster, find all the things that aren't working... and steal those assets before they realize what they have.

To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

I do that without blinking.   There's a team option where Lance only has 2 years on his deal... so if this gamble doesn't work for us, we will not be stuck with him long.  Last year he averaged 14 points, 4.6 assists, 7.2 rebounds on 49%/35%/71% shooting.  Despite how horrible he looks in the armpit of Charlotte, that's a player with talent and the size to play SG (6-5 230).   I start him over Bradley and make Smart our starting PG... or keep Smart off the bench this year and give Lance the ball-handling duties.     As for MKG... I'm telling you, that kid is about to break out.  He looks really really good this year.  And I sincerely believe MKG would be an overall improvement over Green despite the fact that Green has been scoring well.  MKG does so many things so well and that offense is coming around (he completely rebuilt his shot this summer and it actually looks good).   He's 21!  Kid is still 2 years younger than Olynyk.   As for Biyombo, maybe I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that he's Ben Wallace on the Magic.  His Per-36 numbers are delightful:  10 points, 14 rebounds, 3.4 blocks on 57% shooting  ... He seems to produce every time he's on the court.  He's got insane length and athleticism and has all the makings of an elite rim protector.  His offense isn't great, but who cares... he can hang around the rim and get dunks.  Worst-case scenario, that kid has a Perk-like career.     Vonleh has potential... solid asset... I know he has a lot of fans here.  He's 19 years old... good project to bring on. 

That would be all about embracing the youth movement.  From Charlotte's perspective, it's a little dicey, though.  Biyombo is expendable for them... they might not make him a qualifying offer this summer, because they already have an all-star big (Jefferson) and a couple higher profile projects (Cody Zeller... now starting... as well as Vonleh if they keep him).  MKG, though... if you ask the fans they'll say he's the most valuable asset on the team.  They seem to think MKG is the best player on the team and just getting held back.   However, if you could sucker them into picking up Jeff Green (and his temporary scoring consistency... which the Hornets desperately need), maybe they'd be open to moving MKG.    Bigger problem is how they feel about Rondo, how Rondo feels about extending in Charlotte, and what they would do with Kemba Walker.  Rondo would be a big boost for them.  Rondo + Al + Green might be an improvement.   But Kemba Walker is a overrated chucker who is too small to play SG.   He just signed a 44 mil contract, so moving him is probably not an option.   That makes this pretty unlikely.


Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 06:18:37 PM »

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I keep trying to think of some way to package both Rondo and Green to the Hornets.  It's a team that needs a shake-up badly.  They have too many big men prospects (Vonleh and Biyombo getting buried).  They severely underuse MKG despite the fact he's 21 and arguably their best player... his PER is the best on the team, he's statistically the best defender on the team... and yet he can't crack 30 minutes consistently because of his lack of offense (which is improving now that he's re-worked his shot).  Stephenson has been a wild disappointment for them... his efficiency has fallen off considerably, but that likely has to do with the system and coach.  I also feel like kemba walker is wildly overrated and overpaid.  He's an inefficient back-up imo.   

But Big Al is solid.  THey made the playoffs last year.  I'd look at their roster, find all the things that aren't working... and steal those assets before they realize what they have.

To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

I do that without blinking.   There's a team option where Lance only has 2 years on his deal... so if this gamble doesn't work for us, we will not be stuck with him long.  Last year he averaged 14 points, 4.6 assists, 7.2 rebounds on 49%/35%/71% shooting.  Despite how horrible he looks in the armpit of Charlotte, that's a player with talent and the size to play SG (6-5 230).   I start him over Bradley and make Smart our starting PG... or keep Smart off the bench this year and give Lance the ball-handling duties.     As for MKG... I'm telling you, that kid is about to break out.  He looks really really good this year.  And I sincerely believe MKG would be an overall improvement over Green despite the fact that Green has been scoring well.  MKG does so many things so well and that offense is coming around (he completely rebuilt his shot this summer and it actually looks good).   He's 21!  Kid is still 2 years younger than Olynyk.   As for Biyombo, maybe I'm a sucker, but I can't shake the feeling that he's Ben Wallace on the Magic.  His Per-36 numbers are delightful:  10 points, 14 rebounds, 3.4 blocks on 57% shooting  ... He seems to produce every time he's on the court.  He's got insane length and athleticism and has all the makings of an elite rim protector.  His offense isn't great, but who cares... he can hang around the rim and get dunks.  Worst-case scenario, that kid has a Perk-like career.     Vonleh has potential... solid asset... I know he has a lot of fans here.  He's 19 years old... good project to bring on. 

That would be all about embracing the youth movement.  From Charlotte's perspective, it's a little dicey, though.  Biyombo is expendable for them... they might not make him a qualifying offer this summer, because they already have an all-star big (Jefferson) and a couple higher profile projects (Cody Zeller... now starting... as well as Vonleh if they keep him).  MKG, though... if you ask the fans they'll say he's the most valuable asset on the team.  They seem to think MKG is the best player on the team and just getting held back.   However, if you could sucker them into picking up Jeff Green (and his temporary scoring consistency... which the Hornets desperately need), maybe they'd be open to moving MKG.    Bigger problem is how they feel about Rondo, how Rondo feels about extending in Charlotte, and what they would do with Kemba Walker.  Rondo would be a big boost for them.  Rondo + Al + Green might be an improvement.   But Kemba Walker is a overrated chucker who is too small to play SG.   He just signed a 44 mil contract, so moving him is probably not an option.   That makes this pretty unlikely.

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Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 06:26:25 PM »

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To Hornets:

Rondo - 12 mil
Jeff Green - 9 mil
Pressey - 0.8mil
Powell - 0.5mil

To Celtics:

Lance - 9 mil
MKG - 5 mil
Biyombo - 3.9 mil
Vonleh - 2.5 mil

Not bad but unrealistic due to sheer size.

Funny, this is a deal both fan bases will hate, which means it's likely fair.
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Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 06:42:37 PM »

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I see a lot of posts talking about moving Green while he's playing the best ball of his career. This makes sense, but unless it brings back a bigger name than Rondo will be more aggressive looking elsewhere this summer. Vice versa as well.

So is their a scenario where Ainge trades one but honestly intends to keep the other one?

Yes, and you kind of allude to the scenario.

Something like Green and whatever else it takes to get Melo (if he's available) or some other established star to contend now.

« Last Edit: December 14, 2014, 07:00:30 PM by csfansince60s »

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 07:04:09 PM »

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I don't think Charlotte would want Rondo because they have Walker but this could work too:

Celts get: Stephenson, MKG and Vonleh
Hornets get: Bradley and Green.

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2014, 07:16:57 PM »

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if we package Rondo and Green together in a package, that better get us a superstar or a near superstar level player

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2014, 07:19:11 PM »

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if we package Rondo and Green together in a package, that better get us a superstar or a near superstar level player

You might be a tad disappointed then.

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2014, 07:56:06 PM »

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No , Rondo is a top play maker and floor general in the league , Green is a 3rd or 4th option on a good team . No way I am paying Green more than 10 mil a year if I am Ainge . He scores , but is not really efficient , and is a slightly above average defender . Other than that he doesn't bring much to the table .

He is a tradeable asset now because he is an expiring contract (player option) and can be that 3rd or 4th scorer on a championship team . He likely demands 12-15 mil next year in free agency , and once he is signed to that type of deal , he will not be traded for unless the c's are taking back long term salary in exchange .

We are on pace for 27 wins , trade Green now while we can get some assets back , fall deeper into the lottery (trade chip) ,and it also guarantees to free up more money without worrying about Green picking up his option .   

I would want Green on the team if we had a # 1 or #2 scorer because he would be a good third option , but we have neither a # 1 or # 2 . No need to tie up money who is a # 3 option forced to be a go to guy .

I likely agree with you, but how does Rondo feel if you trade the teams leading scorer for a draft pick or raw prospect?

it clears up more cap space and we gain more assets to use to surround Rondo with the all-star level talent we need . I am sure Ainge would let Rondo know this before he hits free agency .

Yeah right!
Hey Rondo we got mega cap space, no players, but we got the space, still want to stay?

Come on man, no legit FA is coming here. Im sure your a great guy but on this topic your delusional.

Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2014, 08:00:18 PM »

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No , Rondo is a top play maker and floor general in the league , Green is a 3rd or 4th option on a good team . No way I am paying Green more than 10 mil a year if I am Ainge . He scores , but is not really efficient , and is a slightly above average defender . Other than that he doesn't bring much to the table .

He is a tradeable asset now because he is an expiring contract (player option) and can be that 3rd or 4th scorer on a championship team . He likely demands 12-15 mil next year in free agency , and once he is signed to that type of deal , he will not be traded for unless the c's are taking back long term salary in exchange .

We are on pace for 27 wins , trade Green now while we can get some assets back , fall deeper into the lottery (trade chip) ,and it also guarantees to free up more money without worrying about Green picking up his option .   

I would want Green on the team if we had a # 1 or #2 scorer because he would be a good third option , but we have neither a # 1 or # 2 . No need to tie up money who is a # 3 option forced to be a go to guy .

I likely agree with you, but how does Rondo feel if you trade the teams leading scorer for a draft pick or raw prospect?

it clears up more cap space and we gain more assets to use to surround Rondo with the all-star level talent we need . I am sure Ainge would let Rondo know this before he hits free agency .

Yeah right!
Hey Rondo we got mega cap space, no players, but we got the space, still want to stay?

Come on man, no legit FA is coming here. Im sure your a great guy but on this topic your delusional.

It's not just signing players , with cap space you can trade for all-star players without the other team having to take back salary , which makes it much more attractive to them . So they are getting assets back without having to take back any big money long term salary .

Try learning about the salary cap before you start calling people delusional .


Re: Are Rondo and Green a "package deal"?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2014, 08:20:43 PM »

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You mean because they're like the only two who can rent a car?
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