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Offline gpap

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I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

Shooting? Come on. Shooting and getting the ball in the net is such a useless trait in basketball (lol.)

It's all about being a facilitator and somewhat good defender, come on ;D

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I think people underestimate just how much an effect starting and playing without Rondo had on Bradley. If you compare Bradley's 2011-12 season with Bledsoe's, which are very similar, you'll see guys with not a lot of difference between them.


Don't get me wrong, Bledsoe has more upside and more well-rounded. But I don't feel Bradley is much inferior.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

This is spot-on accurate. I love Bradley, but I have the sense that his trade value far exceeds his actual basketball value, which is why I wouldn't mind trading him if the right offer came along.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

This is spot-on accurate. I love Bradley, but I have the sense that his trade value far exceeds his actual basketball value, which is why I wouldn't mind trading him if the right offer came along.

I think it will be the opposite. That his trade value is lower than his basketball value and that this would be the wrong time to move him.

I expect Bradley's trade value took a a pretty big dent after his struggles offensively last season (both as a scorer and as a floor general) at the PG position + the continued question mark over whether he can function as a starting NBA two guard.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

This is spot-on accurate. I love Bradley, but I have the sense that his trade value far exceeds his actual basketball value, which is why I wouldn't mind trading him if the right offer came along.

I think it will be the opposite. That his trade value is lower than his basketball value and that this would be the wrong time to move him.

I expect Bradley's trade value took a a pretty big dent after his struggles offensively last season (both as a scorer and as a floor general) at the PG position + the continued question mark over whether he can function as a starting NBA two guard.

I'm still very excited about Bradley whether it's as a starter or off the bench.  I think he's a determined guy who will learn his strengths.  He'll get stronger too which will help him be pushed around less.  If we can get 6' 5"PG Harrison in next year's draft then I see Bradley as our starting SG for the long term.  If we get a stud SG in the draft then I could see starting Shane Larkin, stud SG and Bradley as backup SG and sometimes backup PG.
This is assuming there's legs to the Dallas thing....

I think Bradley should focus on his mid-range jumper where I think he has potential to be a microwave type offensive player..

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

This is spot-on accurate. I love Bradley, but I have the sense that his trade value far exceeds his actual basketball value, which is why I wouldn't mind trading him if the right offer came along.

I think it will be the opposite. That his trade value is lower than his basketball value and that this would be the wrong time to move him.

I expect Bradley's trade value took a a pretty big dent after his struggles offensively last season (both as a scorer and as a floor general) at the PG position + the continued question mark over whether he can function as a starting NBA two guard.

I'm still very excited about Bradley whether it's as a starter or off the bench.  I think he's a determined guy who will learn his strengths.  He'll get stronger too which will help him be pushed around less.  If we can get 6' 5"PG Harrison in next year's draft then I see Bradley as our starting SG for the long term.  If we get a stud SG in the draft then I could see starting Shane Larkin, stud SG and Bradley as backup SG and sometimes backup PG.
This is assuming there's legs to the Dallas thing....

I think Bradley should focus on his mid-range jumper where I think he has potential to be a microwave type offensive player..

Isn't Bradley still only like 18 years old ?

Continue the development.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

This is spot-on accurate. I love Bradley, but I have the sense that his trade value far exceeds his actual basketball value, which is why I wouldn't mind trading him if the right offer came along.

I think it will be the opposite. That his trade value is lower than his basketball value and that this would be the wrong time to move him.

I expect Bradley's trade value took a a pretty big dent after his struggles offensively last season (both as a scorer and as a floor general) at the PG position + the continued question mark over whether he can function as a starting NBA two guard.

I'm still very excited about Bradley whether it's as a starter or off the bench.  I think he's a determined guy who will learn his strengths.  He'll get stronger too which will help him be pushed around less.  If we can get 6' 5"PG Harrison in next year's draft then I see Bradley as our starting SG for the long term.  If we get a stud SG in the draft then I could see starting Shane Larkin, stud SG and Bradley as backup SG and sometimes backup PG.
This is assuming there's legs to the Dallas thing....

I think Bradley should focus on his mid-range jumper where I think he has potential to be a microwave type offensive player..

Isn't Bradley still only like 18 years old ?

Continue the development.

If by 18 you mean he's turning 23 in November this year then yes.

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Bradley is not a starter!! Seems like he is hurt all the time also. Why do ppl like this guy I have no idea why..plus Sully back may give out at any time again...Geez!!!
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Bradley is not a starter!! Seems like he is hurt all the time also. Why do ppl like this guy I have no idea why..plus Sully back may give out at any time again...Geez!!!

Bradley's injury proneness is being completely overstated. Other than the shoulder problems that kept him from playing, which he got fixed in the summer, he's barely missed any games due to injuries. In fact, last year only 1 that I can see.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

Shooting? Come on. Shooting and getting the ball in the net is such a useless trait in basketball (lol.)

It's all about being a facilitator and somewhat good defender, come on ;D

  Sure, shooting the ball is important, and it's great to have them on the team. Good facilitating leads to better shots, but the facilitator doesn't actually score the ball. I think it's that added layer of complexity (leads to the shot that scores instead of putting the ball directly in the hoop) that throws people. For instance, KG's a great shooter, and that shooting (as you noticed) is great for the team. But compare his 2012 playoffs (19 ppg) to his 2013 playoffs (13 ppg) and you see the value of a good facilitator (which you didn't notice).

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

  There's nothing wrong with liking a SG that can shoot and there's nothing wrong with thinking Bledsoe's a better player than Bradley. Neither of these things make him as good a defender as Bradley, which I don't think he is.

  By the way, if you're going to scold other people for not staying up late to watch someone play you should at least be able to identify which position the they play. One of us saw enough of the Clips to know that Bledsoe's a PG, and it's not you.

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  Check out the numbers here, which are based on people watching every play and not on a computer parsing box scores:

I like Bradley, I think we over value him.  I think Bledsoe has better value given it's so close on defense, he is a better athlete and better offensive player not to mention he is more durable.

Call me old fashioned but I like a SG that can shoot.

Shooting? Come on. Shooting and getting the ball in the net is such a useless trait in basketball (lol.)

It's all about being a facilitator and somewhat good defender, come on ;D

I feel like someone should mention the fact that Eric Bledsoe is not a particularly good shooter. 
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Building around Bradley, Green, and Sully probably isn't the correct way to say.  They're all still pretty young (Green is 26) and have value but none of them will ever be the main guy.  Having a Guard that's a game changer on defense, a SF that can play a couple of positions and has developed into a weapon, and a PF that can rebound the ball and score effectively are all pretty valuable when the playoffs roll around.  Now if we can just find our next franchise player at PG or C in the next draft and use our cap on a top guy at the other position then that's a pretty nice line up.  Then throw in signing/drafting some other key role players and we're competing again.  I'm looking at the potential draft class next year and PG's Marcus Smart and Andrew Harrison catch my eye.  At Center Willie Cauley-Stein will probably be the top guy.

I know it's easier said than done but I like the idea of keeping some of our young guys that will help in the future and clear out the older guys for picks and cap space.  It's a big risk but it may pay off.  I don't see us being a team with just one superstar I think we're going to  model ourselves like the Pacers, balanced yet very talented.