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Re: C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking
« Reply #480 on: June 22, 2013, 08:18:28 PM »

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clips are imploding. i want the 2014 pick.

Re: C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking
« Reply #481 on: June 22, 2013, 08:27:54 PM »

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clips are imploding. i want the 2014 pick.
I bet they don't offer it. I would be fine with the 2015 pick though.
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Re: C's/Clippers Update, Marc Stein Reporting NBA Office forcing reworking
« Reply #482 on: June 22, 2013, 08:43:47 PM »

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Ok I see.

I could actually see a scenario where Paul goes to Houston first

Then, the Lakers sign and deal Howard for Asik and Lin.

I could see that.

What I don't see is anyone doing a sign and trade with the Clippers because it's obvious working with them is a pain in the as*

Wow, a CP3/Howard/Harden trio would be even nastier.

It would be a nasty trio.

But essentially you sign them at the same time.  You make agreements with both of them, and then go to the Lakers and Clippers, at pretty much the same time, and offer them the same thing.  One of them will bite, because Lin and Asik is a LOT better than nothing.  Then you sign the player from the team who didn't take the deal first, because you've got the cap space, and sign-and-trade for the player with the team who did take the deal second.  After all is said and done they have Paul, Harden, and Howard, while still having players like Parsons, Jones, and Montiejunas to help round out the roster.  They definitely could be setting themselves up to be a top team for a 4-5 year stretch.

Also, there is no way for the Celtics to get in on this, except for maybe getting Robinson for the China 3 and a draft pick.  Any deal in which the Rockets take on salary is completely useless to their end goal.
Um, no.  First, the rockets can't sign both of them.  Second, what's their leverage?  The clippers and the lakers can simply say no.  Then the rockets have no option.  None at all.

And no, Asik and Lin is not nearly enough value for either Howard or Paul, especially when you consider their contracts (and the poison pills).

I'll address the second part first.  The "poison pills" have been addressed by the "Arenas" provision, so their contracts each count $8.374 mil in each of the next two seasons, and not the $15 mil in season three that was in the offer.  So they are not that burdensome.  As to whether or not your think they are worth it, I'm not going to debate, other than to say that those contracts are certainly movable.

Anyway, the order of events goes like this:

1) Rockets agree with Howard and Paul on contracts.
2) Rockets tell Lakers and Clippers that the deal is going down, because it is.  Either one of them can make a trade with the Rockets, or be shut out.
3) One of them should cave, so as to not get nothing for a player they invested a lot in, especially, since they each know there is another team that might cave, and that other team is something of a rival.  In conceding, you may not be in the perfect situation, but you're not in the worst situation, and the other team is.
4) If both hold out, there are enough teams with cap room to absorb Asik and Lin, and would happily do so for free (or more probably Asik, Lin, and Royce White, because since they're not doing a sign-and-trade, they need to clear a little more salary room).  I'm fairly certain a team like the Pistons would take those players on for free in a heartbeat, since what do they have to lose?

If Howard and Paul want to go to Houston and play together, forming a super team with Harden, the obstacles to that occurring are pretty small.

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« Reply #483 on: June 22, 2013, 08:46:52 PM »

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I think both LAC and LAL reject a Rockets offer of Asik + Lin in a sign and trade for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Both teams are better off entering the 2014 free agency market and trying to attract top tier free agents than accepting those two instead.

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« Reply #484 on: June 22, 2013, 08:47:49 PM »

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Celtics Ainge wants deal, has LAC 1s prioritized: No on No. 25 next week. Wants 2014 but can't get it. 2015 may work on chance LAC implodes

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Glad to hear. 2014 1st rounder or no deal Danny, hold firm. Even with Doc, KG, and Pierce, if CP3 somehow goes down next season, that could be a superstar with that pick. If not, late 1st in that draft is still excellent value.

It's rumors like this that make me question the rumor-mongerer.  The Clippers ARE NOT ALLOWED to give away their first-rounder in this draft without getting another 1st rounder in return.  They did not pick in the first round last year (we had that pick), and they are not allowed to skip picks in consecutive drafts.  The pick this week isn't non-negotiable because the Celtics wouldn't take it, it's because the Clippers are not allowed by league rules to give it up.  Whether the Celtics want it or not is irrelevant.

EDIT:  I'm wrong.  The Stepien rule isn't as restrictive as I thought it was.  The Clippers can give up 2013, but I'll be ticked if Danny doesn't get 2014.  Don't make me mad, Danny!!
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« Reply #485 on: June 22, 2013, 08:55:26 PM »

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I think both LAC and LAL reject a Rockets offer of Asik + Lin in a sign and trade for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Both teams are better off entering the 2014 free agency market and trying to attract top tier free agents than accepting those two instead.

The Lakers maybe, because their 2014 salaries would be almost completely clear but for Steve Nash and their 2014 first rounder.  The Clippers, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have room for a max player after extending Bledsoe, which they'd undoubtedly do if Paul leaves.  And after this saga with the Celtics, I can't imagine the Clippers are a top destination.

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« Reply #486 on: June 22, 2013, 09:03:32 PM »

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Propaganda aside, I’m told that the Celtics owners and Ainge recognize it’s time to break this team up and would prefer to get “a piece” for Rivers, rather than pay him $21 mill per to win 20-30 games the next three seasons.

Ainge is big on pieces, having accumulated enough in 2007 to acquire Garnett, even if everyone rolled their eyes at the fact he sent them to Minnesota GM Kevin McHale, the former Celtic great.

As for Donald, who’s not immovable — just the next thing to it — I can’t believe he won’t finally offer a No. 1. Unfortunately, team president Andy Roeser couldn’t put it on the table Friday when talks broke up because Donald, who loves draft picks — think about it, each one bringing a player who works cheap for five years — hadn’t authorized it.

Assuming Donald decides he can live without one of his precious No. 1s, the question will arise, which one?

The Clippers are reportedly okay with giving up next week’s No. 25 pick, but Ainge doesn’t want it.

Ainge wants their No. 1 in the hot 2014 draft but, surprise, so do the Clippers.

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@MarkHeisler Any idea why C's wouldn't want this year's #25 over 2015? This is a deeper draft then normal and would speed up rebuilding.

@SportsNutt50 My guy thinks Clips would give it up, assuming they get to point they give up any No. 1s. Ainge doesn't want it.

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Just in from source close to #Clippers: Talking 4 years, $16-20M w/Byron, 3 worth $9M w/Brian… Byron's the fave if no Doc. Donald loves him
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My No. 1 guy just said #Celtics #Clippers still on--or at least C's hope so as much as LAC, eager to rebuild. not keen to pay Doc $7M

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« Reply #487 on: June 22, 2013, 09:13:26 PM »

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« Reply #488 on: June 22, 2013, 09:29:25 PM »

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I think both LAC and LAL reject a Rockets offer of Asik + Lin in a sign and trade for Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Both teams are better off entering the 2014 free agency market and trying to attract top tier free agents than accepting those two instead.

The Lakers maybe, because their 2014 salaries would be almost completely clear but for Steve Nash and their 2014 first rounder.  The Clippers, on the other hand, probably wouldn't have room for a max player after extending Bledsoe, which they'd undoubtedly do if Paul leaves.  And after this saga with the Celtics, I can't imagine the Clippers are a top destination.

Sorry my mistake. I meant to say 2014 for LAL and 2015 for LAC in my first post up above.

Oh, they would be expiring anyway. They were three year deals. Nevermind. My mistake.

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« Reply #489 on: June 22, 2013, 10:05:33 PM »

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Propaganda aside, I’m told that the Celtics owners and Ainge recognize it’s time to break this team up and would prefer to get “a piece” for Rivers, rather than pay him $21 mill per to win 20-30 games the next three seasons.

Ainge is big on pieces, having accumulated enough in 2007 to acquire Garnett, even if everyone rolled their eyes at the fact he sent them to Minnesota GM Kevin McHale, the former Celtic great.

As for Donald, who’s not immovable — just the next thing to it — I can’t believe he won’t finally offer a No. 1. Unfortunately, team president Andy Roeser couldn’t put it on the table Friday when talks broke up because Donald, who loves draft picks — think about it, each one bringing a player who works cheap for five years — hadn’t authorized it.

Assuming Donald decides he can live without one of his precious No. 1s, the question will arise, which one?

The Clippers are reportedly okay with giving up next week’s No. 25 pick, but Ainge doesn’t want it.

Ainge wants their No. 1 in the hot 2014 draft but, surprise, so do the Clippers.

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@MarkHeisler Any idea why C's wouldn't want this year's #25 over 2015? This is a deeper draft then normal and would speed up rebuilding.

@SportsNutt50 My guy thinks Clips would give it up, assuming they get to point they give up any No. 1s. Ainge doesn't want it.

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Just in from source close to #Clippers: Talking 4 years, $16-20M w/Byron, 3 worth $9M w/Brian… Byron's the fave if no Doc. Donald loves him
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My No. 1 guy just said #Celtics #Clippers still on--or at least C's hope so as much as LAC, eager to rebuild. not keen to pay Doc $7M
Anybody find it strange this guy is the only one with so called in depth "info" from these sources on LAC/BOS? If you look at his timeline on twitter he's got probably a hundred or so tweets on the deal. He's not even a Clipper or Celtic beat guy.
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