Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...

[nickagneta]

I don't see where any of this is true Faf. The numbers don't bear out your claims. The Celtics have been an overall poor rebounding team offensively since before 2007-08 and that includes an entire change over of personnel. 2009-10 with JO, Shaq, Perk, KG, Davis, Eden, and Krstic manning 90% of the front court minutes produced the worst rebounding and offensive rebounding team in the league in both RPG, ORPG and OR%.

Then you're not looking Nick.

Boston OReb%
07-08 16th
08-09 7th
09-10 28th
10-11 30th
11-12 30th
12-13 30th

C's weren't bad at offensive rebounding till KG/Powe got hurt. Even in 09-10 it wasn't a tactical choice by Doc. Instead it was playing Rasheed/KG (still gimpy) so many minutes. Perkins/BBD both were solid offensive rebounders (9.1/13.7 respectively) and aggressively were crashing. So were Tony/Rondo and other guards at times.

After 09-10 Doc clearly changed the strategy, one that I think is more talent based than anything. Because Sullinger/Rondo certainly were given the green light to go for boards.

Then I will find a link that states Docs philosophy because I am 100% sure I remember someone stating Docs philosophy on offensive rebounding going all the way back to those years you claim because I just think you are completely wrong on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0aVBbVhf1g&safe=active

About 2:30 in

As Doc's own words state, he doesn't focus on offensive boards or tell guys to go get them. If they happen to be there and get them, great. I think that is what happened in 2008-09 but other than that, this team has been really bad at offensive rebounding .

Just check the pre-Big 3 years. They stunk at it then, too. Its been a long time coaching philosophy that had one year where they were good at it and that probably because they almost always had either Powe or Baby under the basket when someone shot from the outside. Complete aberration, IMHO.

[Chris]

Just check the pre-Big 3 years. They stunk at it then, too. Its been a long time coaching philosophy that had one year where they were good at it and that probably because they almost always had either Powe or Baby under the basket when someone shot from the outside. Complete aberration, IMHO.

I think the aberation is that year they had a player who was a good offensive rebounder. 

Other than Leon Powe, and half a year of Sullinger, the only above average (or maybe even average) offensive rebounder this team has really had was Rondo.  And you can't rely on your high use PG for that, since he needs the ball in his hands. 

[CelticConcourse]

Don't forget we didn't have Rondo for a good portion of the year

[2short]

a vet backup point guard of quality ala andre miller

[vjcsmoke]

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

It was sad how Shumpert was dominating our guards.  Even getting the ball across halfcourt and into our sets was a struggle.  Sloppy passing, taking care of the ball led to a ton of turnovers in crunch time, leading to free points for the Knicks.  And that's what really doomed them in the series.

Face it, Bradley is not a ballhandler.  And when Rondo is out, who's going to do that job of primary ballhandler?  Pierce has a decent handle/pass ability, but his real job is to score.  And he's still not a guy you use to run an offense.

What the Celtics need is a combo guard who can score, handle, and distribute the ball.  Courtney Lee isn't that guy either.  I think you move either Lee or Bradley, decide the guy you keep and get a combo guard who can backup Rondo, handle the ball, and run the offense for the 2nd unit and/or if Rondo gets hurt.

Strangely enough PG and C remain two strong needs for the Celtics simply because they don't have adequate backup guards, and they severely lack size whenever KG has to sit and rest.

[CelticConcourse]

a vet backup point guard of quality ala andre miller

Jason Terry...

[Nerf DPOY]

I used to post here a lot several years ago and since gravitating back have noticed something amusing to me I hadn't before; and that is that a lot of posters' agendas are laughingly transparent and inserted into nearly every thread. I guess it's not surprising or dishonest at all. If someone feels that strongly about one particular thing it'll probably color their opinions on lots of issues.

And with that said, I am exactly the same way, so here goes.

The glaring need is to improve long term roster value, with almost no regard to the 13-14 season. That said, I feel like current team needs and positions of strength should have no bearing on who we draft, sign, or trade for this summer. Forget about 13-14.

Now, that probably wasn't the intention of the OP, so I'll play along and make a pitch for buying low on one of the Bucks disgruntled egomaniac combo guards, and try and turn them into a super 6th man. For Jennings, maybe Terry and our pick could get it done. I know these guys have their warts but at the end of the day they can fill it up in a variety of ways virtually by themselves. Now I will insert a cliche---- Doc/KG/Paul/the Celtic culture can reach them!!!!----- I am serious though about making a move like that if they decide on keeping this cast of C's in tact. Jennings or Ellis are a lot more talented and NBA ready than anyone out there at #16, and still young enough to consider keeping long term.

[CelticConcourse]

I used to post here a lot several years ago and since gravitating back have noticed something amusing to me I hadn't before; and that is that a lot of posters' agenda's are laughingly transparent and inserted into nearly every thread. I guess it's not surprising or dishonest at all. If someone feels that strongly about one particular thing it'll obviously color their opinions on lots of issues.

And with that said, I am exactly the same way, so here goes.

The glaring need is to improve long term roster value, with almost no regard to the 13-14 season. That said, I feel like current team needs and positions of strength should have no bearing on who we draft, sign, or trade for this summer.

Now, that probably wasn't the intention of the OP, so I'll play along and make a pitch for buying low on one of the Bucks disgruntled egomaniac combo guards. For Jennings, maybe Terry and our pick could get it done. I know these guys have their warts but at the end of the day they can fill it up in a variety of ways virtually by themselves. Now I will insert a cliche---- Doc/KG/Paul/the Celtic culture can reach them!!!!----- I am serious though about making a move like that if they decide on keeping this cast of C's in tact. Jennings or Ellis are a lot more talented and NBA ready than anyone out there at #16, and still young enough to consider keeping long term.

That's pretty smart. TP

What if we did buy low on Jennings?

[LGC88]

The best teams have all the same pattern. A PG that can enter in the paint to find a big or to score himself. If the paint gets too crowded, it spread the floor for perimeter shots.
That said, we simply need Rondo back and play this way. With Sully inside, KG and Bass on jump shot and on the perimeter PP, JG, Jet, Lee, Bradley, Crawfish are all very good to decent 3s shooters. Barbosa and T-will can be nice backup guards for rondo. You associate that with the usual celtics defence and attitude... You have your shot for banner 18.

[SHAQATTACK]

After we draft 7 footish Center.....Plumlee, Deng


we need " SIZE " with a sec pick.....



.then we stlll have yet another glaring need






MORE SIZE......   



Thanks for listening.

[nickagneta]

After we draft 7 footish Center.....Plumlee, Deng


we need " SIZE " with a sec pick.....



.then we stlll have yet another glaring need






MORE SIZE......   



Thanks for listening.

Size is good. rebounding is better. Brooks Lopez is big. He is a lousy rebounder. Jeff green is 6'9", he's at best, an okay to bad rebounder.

Dennis Rodman and Bill Russell are two of the greatest rebounders ever. One is 6'7" and the other 6'9". Any list of great rebounders are going to have a bunch of guys between 6'6" and 6'9".

Size is great but I want rebounding. If that comes with size, even better.

Oh, and you are 1000% correct, once we get one great rebounder, yeah, we need another.

[badshar]

I hope the Celtics can find a good low post scorer. I'm loving watching the Grizz play inside out right now. KG could do this, but likes to shoot too many jumpers and plays limited minutes.

He doesn't like to shoot too many jumpers.

If you have ever played basketball and had to play as a big man down low, you would realize that it is very energy-consuming.

It drains a lot of energy to get physical down low and post up.

Similarly, KG is not young, in case you didn't notice. For him to play down low, it would drain all the energy he brings onto the court.

As a result, that intensity and defense goes away and it becomes more of a struggle to get down the court and be able to play until the coach doesn't sub you out.

So you either compromise on his intensity and his energy to get low-post scoring from him or you compromise on his low-post scoring to generate points from him in any possible way and be efficient on the floor with his defense and intensity.

[Chief]

I hope the Celtics can find a good low post scorer. I'm loving watching the Grizz play inside out right now. KG could do this, but likes to shoot too many jumpers and plays limited minutes.

He doesn't like to shoot too many jumpers.

If you have ever played basketball and had to play as a big man down low, you would realize that it is very energy-consuming.

It drains a lot of energy to get physical down low and post up.

Similarly, KG is not young, in case you didn't notice. For him to play down low, it would drain all the energy he brings onto the court.

As a result, that intensity and defense goes away and it becomes more of a struggle to get down the court and be able to play until the coach doesn't sub you out.

So you either compromise on his intensity and his energy to get low-post scoring from him or you compromise on his low-post scoring to generate points from him in any possible way and be efficient on the floor with his defense and intensity.

100% correct. Having played and now coach, I know exactly what you are talking about. But that becomes the problem. KG is our only efficient low post scorer. Yet, to save his legs so we can get knocked out in the 1st round, Doc limits his minutes and allows him to be a stretch 5. Which hurts the team, IMO. I hate to say it, but it maybe time for KG to go.

How long did Kareem and Parish play 20-30 minutes in the post?