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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2013, 11:56:52 AM »

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This team needs scoring flat out. This becomes even more of an issue if Pierce is not on the roster next season. Count me in as someone who is very skeptical of Green being a #1 option on a very good team. Aside from Green, who else on this team can you go to to get buckets?

Danny has tried to address this in the past by bringing in players such as Nate Robinson, Jason Terry, and Jordan Crawford. None of which have really worked out. Whether its through the draft, trade, or free agency this team needs somebody who can carry the offense and scoring load because Pierce's 35 year old legs just can't do it anymore.
Between Green, Rondo, and a couple of outside shooters, I'm considerably less concerned about scoring than I am about rebounding.

I understand your point and you're right, size/rebounding are priority #1, but how many times has this team gone long stretches of solid defense but absolutely horrid scoring?
Not more than in recent years. Most of this was an artifact of trying to go force the issue by going through Pierce and Garnett (and even Terry), who clearly aren't the same players anymore. This team needs to have Rondo figure out how to play with Green.
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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2013, 11:59:04 AM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.
2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, arrive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive reboundsNow, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.

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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2013, 12:01:28 PM »

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There's nothing suspect about Lee's defense.
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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2013, 12:03:22 PM »

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There's nothing suspect about Lee's defense.
It was for the last part of the year and playoffs.

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2013, 12:03:59 PM »

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There's nothing suspect about Lee's defense.

Just his broken form corner three point shot.
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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2013, 12:09:45 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.

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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2013, 12:11:13 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.
in regards to number 1. This team has been trending towards a more athletic squad ever since the Big 3 began to age. My hope is that if they bring in players with elite speed and athleticism that they can both rebound and get back on defense.

Previously Doc went to this strategy to prevent more athletic teams from breaking out on the C's. Maybe as we become more athletic we won't need to concern ourselves with getting back at the expense of rebounds.
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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2013, 12:14:34 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.
in regards to number 1. This team has been trending towards a more athletic squad ever since the Big 3 began to age. My hope is that if they bring in players with elite speed and athleticism that they can both rebound and get back on defense.

Previously Doc went to this strategy to prevent more athletic teams from breaking out on the C's. Maybe as we become more athletic we won't need to concern ourselves with getting back at the expense of rebounds.
Let's hope but once again the numbers this year reflected that philosophy of not going for offensive rebounds, though I guess a case can be made that the team as a whole, especially after Rondo and Sully(both plus plus rebounders) went down, was just a horrid rebounding team.

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2013, 12:28:48 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.
in regards to number 1. This team has been trending towards a more athletic squad ever since the Big 3 began to age. My hope is that if they bring in players with elite speed and athleticism that they can both rebound and get back on defense.

Previously Doc went to this strategy to prevent more athletic teams from breaking out on the C's. Maybe as we become more athletic we won't need to concern ourselves with getting back at the expense of rebounds.
Let's hope but once again the numbers this year reflected that philosophy of not going for offensive rebounds, though I guess a case can be made that the team as a whole, especially after Rondo and Sully(both plus plus rebounders) went down, was just a horrid rebounding team.
agreed but I don't see Doc changing his philosophy regardless of who's playing for him.

on those rare occasion when the C's did crash the offensive boards, they seemed to make out pretty well.  I think that's partly due to the other team relaxing on their boards because the thought of a Doc team trying for an offensive board was just preposterous.

something needs to change because the philosophy of getting back on D to stop the fastbreak sure didn't work for them this year because the other teams were having a lot of layup drills

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2013, 12:32:09 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.
in regards to number 1. This team has been trending towards a more athletic squad ever since the Big 3 began to age. My hope is that if they bring in players with elite speed and athleticism that they can both rebound and get back on defense.

Previously Doc went to this strategy to prevent more athletic teams from breaking out on the C's. Maybe as we become more athletic we won't need to concern ourselves with getting back at the expense of rebounds.
Let's hope but once again the numbers this year reflected that philosophy of not going for offensive rebounds, though I guess a case can be made that the team as a whole, especially after Rondo and Sully(both plus plus rebounders) went down, was just a horrid rebounding team.
agreed but I don't see Doc changing his philosophy regardless of who's playing for him.

on those rare occasion when the C's did crash the offensive boards, they seemed to make out pretty well.  I think that's partly due to the other team relaxing on their boards because the thought of a Doc team trying for an offensive board was just preposterous.
Doc had the C's crash for offensive boards plenty in 07-08, 08-09, and 09-10.

He used Powe/Davis as lower minute big men and both were told to crash. He'd also have Perkins/KG crash fairly frequently, Rondo has always had the freedom to go for them too.

Once we traded Perkins and as KG aged we pulled back, Davis proved he couldn't maintain the same energy level as a big minutes player so Doc had him pull back too. You can see that he set Sullinger loose on the offensive glass this year.

I think if DA acquired another talented OREB big man he'd utilize both him and Sullinger.

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2013, 12:39:41 PM »

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Need an all star low post scoring banging big man to pair along with Rondo... Unfortunately these do not grow on trees.

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2013, 12:45:01 PM »

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The Celtics definitely need some new personnel to help in the offensive end but there are some things they can do to make their offense better.

1. Give up on the "we don't need to offensively rebound the ball" philosophy and send Sully and a guard to the rim to get misses every play.

2. Quicken the pace when you have a younger set of players on the court. Fast break, get to the basket before the defense sets.

3. Once Rondo and a real back up PG are in place, drive the ball to the hole and draw charges, hit layups, or dish out for corner threes. If he is still here next year that goes for Jeff Green who should be working on using his left hand and giving left to the basket.

4.Take better care of the ball.

5. Get better defensively without needing to give up on offensive rebounds

Now, new personnel are necessary. Lee, Crawford, Wilcox, Williams, and Terry just are not good offensive fits and their defense is suspect. But doing these things besides moving some players around should help out offensively.

TP for #1.

Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2013, 12:48:35 PM »

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We need someone who can draw fouls and bring us to the FT line.

Paul is our guy but I dont think he can do that anymore the entire game.

And as Nick already said, we need to change our philosophy and start crashing the boards offensively. In the Playoffs Bass was the only one doing it, we need more players who would.
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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2013, 12:53:00 PM »

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Re: Besides size, the Celtics have another glaring need...
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2013, 12:54:39 PM »

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We definitely have a glaring need on offense and it brings me back to a deal I proposed about a week ago.  Send Avery Bradley and the 16th pick to a team in the 7-10 draft range and select Shabazz Muhammed and start him at the 2 alongside Rondo.  I watched this kid play 10 times this year and he can flat-out score.  He's a legit 6'6 and like Pierce, he can score in a myriad of ways. I also think he's a pure-shooter as well, although some might disagree.  Here's a video that kind of backs up my claim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PawIt4Dd3hg

Shabazz is by far the most talented player in this draft, but he still needs to work on his game.  His handle, defense, and getting others involved are the parts of his game that need some work, but man can he play.  We need to take advantage of the fact that he's slipping and jump on him if he's there at 7-10.