Tim Duncan Hates KG?

[NoraG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

The Wolves have not had KG for awhile now, what have they done with that extra money they would have had? They have done NOTHING!

That would be a good point if the Wolve FO was competant.

There is a counter argument for everything! We could go on and on.
My goodness I am done with this never ending debate for tonight. Geesh

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

The Wolves have not had KG for awhile now, what have they done with that extra money they would have had? They have done NOTHING!

That would be a good point if the Wolve FO was competant.

This is a different front office and a different team currently, first of all.  And secondly, it would've been pretty easy to just hand out a big contract.  Even incompetenet front offices can get one or two moves right.  Chris Paul plays for the Clippers and Kevin Love plays for the Wolves, correct? That same incompetent front office drafted Kevin Garnett fifth overall and traded for Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell, correct?

It is entirely possible that if not suffocated by Garnett's contract they could've made one or two more moves.

[celtsfan84]

Listen, I respect your opinion and think the margin between Duncan and Garnett is pretty thin.  However, my personal pick is Duncan and I personally feel he has been the better player over their careers.  

While he has had a better front office and teammates, I think the teammate gap isn't as large as some think and I believe he could've advanced in one of those seven first round series.  Just one upset against a higher seed and better team. And Garnett as a Spur wouldn't have netted 4 championships in my opinion.

That is my opinion.  Feel free to disagree.  I have nothing more to add.  If you feel my opinion has no value, feel free to ignore it.

[CelticG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

I don't really get the comment about money. KG is greedy? Or selfish to not take less? Not sure where you are going with that.

To me it seems like your big argument is that KG's wolves teams  (Because his celtics teams have) never beat a higher seed. That's certainly one thing you can say negative about him I just think there are too many variable that are included in that not too mention it doesn't really compare him to TD in the slightest.

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

I don't really get the comment about money. KG is greedy? Or selfish to not take less? Not sure where you are going with that.

To me it seems like your big argument is that KG's wolves teams  (Because his celtics teams have) never beat a higher seed. That's certainly one thing you can say negative about him I just think there are too many variable that are included in that not too mention it doesn't really compare him to TD in the slightest.

I'm saying you can get better players with an extra 16 million.  That's all. Nothing more.

There are indeed plenty of variables there.  And no, that is not my big argument.  That is one though.  And I would say that the 2010 Celtics (his only team ever to beat a higher seed) was a better overall team than the higher seeds anyway.

He never once carried his team over a better overall team.  That is my statement to those who bemoan his quality of teammates.  Carry them once.  Just once. The standards are ultra high when you think a guy is a top ten player of all-time.  Carrying your team against a much better team once in your career should be on that list of standards.

If you think the 2010 Celtics were a worse team than the 2010 Cavs and Garnett carried them past a juggernaut, well, good for you.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

I don't really get the comment about money. KG is greedy? Or selfish to not take less? Not sure where you are going with that.

To me it seems like your big argument is that KG's wolves teams  (Because his celtics teams have) never beat a higher seed. That's certainly one thing you can say negative about him I just think there are too many variable that are included in that not too mention it doesn't really compare him to TD in the slightest.

I'm saying you can get better players with an extra 16 million.  That's all. Nothing more.

There are indeed plenty of variables there.  And no, that is not my big argument.  That is one though.  And I would say that the 2010 Celtics (his only team ever to beat a higher seed) was a better overall team than the higher seeds anyway.

He never once carried his team over a better overall team.  That is my statement to those who bemoan his quality of teammates.  Carry them once.  Just once. The standards are ultra high when you think a guy is a top ten player of all-time.  Carrying your team against a much better team once in your career should be on that list of standards.

If you think the 2010 Celtics were a worse team than the 2010 Cavs and Garnett carried them past a juggernaut, well, good for you.

You're ignoring salary cap. Interestingly enough, the year he finally had a good team around him, it was the year he was making those 28 millions.

You also forget all the idiocy that McHale was involved in, that cost Minnesota good draft picks, trade assets.

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

I don't really get the comment about money. KG is greedy? Or selfish to not take less? Not sure where you are going with that.

To me it seems like your big argument is that KG's wolves teams  (Because his celtics teams have) never beat a higher seed. That's certainly one thing you can say negative about him I just think there are too many variable that are included in that not too mention it doesn't really compare him to TD in the slightest.

I'm saying you can get better players with an extra 16 million.  That's all. Nothing more.

There are indeed plenty of variables there.  And no, that is not my big argument.  That is one though.  And I would say that the 2010 Celtics (his only team ever to beat a higher seed) was a better overall team than the higher seeds anyway.

He never once carried his team over a better overall team.  That is my statement to those who bemoan his quality of teammates.  Carry them once.  Just once. The standards are ultra high when you think a guy is a top ten player of all-time.  Carrying your team against a much better team once in your career should be on that list of standards.

If you think the 2010 Celtics were a worse team than the 2010 Cavs and Garnett carried them past a juggernaut, well, good for you.

You're ignoring salary cap. Interestingly enough, the year he finally had a good team around him, it was the year he was making those 28 millions.

You also forget all the idiocy that McHale was involved in, that cost Minnesota good draft picks, trade assets.

Fair point.  But Minnesota may have been able to add more players via trade or salary dump with that 16 millipon difference.  The luxury tax for that season was 57 million. They were at 70 million.  You can go over the cap via trade.  Well over.    We have seen many teams over the cap go even further and go deep into the tax.  Minnesota still may have found a way to spend that additional money.

And the 28 million to 12 million comparison is just one extreme example of many.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.

I don't really get the comment about money. KG is greedy? Or selfish to not take less? Not sure where you are going with that.

To me it seems like your big argument is that KG's wolves teams  (Because his celtics teams have) never beat a higher seed. That's certainly one thing you can say negative about him I just think there are too many variable that are included in that not too mention it doesn't really compare him to TD in the slightest.

I'm saying you can get better players with an extra 16 million.  That's all. Nothing more.

There are indeed plenty of variables there.  And no, that is not my big argument.  That is one though.  And I would say that the 2010 Celtics (his only team ever to beat a higher seed) was a better overall team than the higher seeds anyway.

He never once carried his team over a better overall team.  That is my statement to those who bemoan his quality of teammates.  Carry them once.  Just once. The standards are ultra high when you think a guy is a top ten player of all-time.  Carrying your team against a much better team once in your career should be on that list of standards.

If you think the 2010 Celtics were a worse team than the 2010 Cavs and Garnett carried them past a juggernaut, well, good for you.

You're ignoring salary cap. Interestingly enough, the year he finally had a good team around him, it was the year he was making those 28 millions.

You also forget all the idiocy that McHale was involved in, that cost Minnesota good draft picks, trade assets.

Fair point.  But we do not have access to the Wolves financial records.  There may well have been a trade or two they could have made that necessitated taking on more salary than Glen Taylor was willing to take on.  Minnesota may have been able to take on even more salary in a trade but that we will never know.  We have seen many teams over the cap go even further and go deep into the tax.  Minnesota still may have found a way to spend that additional money.

And the 28 million to 12 million com[parison is just one extreme example of many.

It's just not that simple. Minnesota had a 71 million salary cap, compare that with San Antonio's 46 million that year. Even if you take out those extra millions you speak off, Minnesota is already spending 10 or so million more than San Antonio.

In all, spending wasn't an issue for Minnesota. They were willing spenders to surround KG. They just made bad personnel choices, among other things.

Also, about carrying a team, it's far easier to carry a team when you're playing a low scoring game-plan with defense dominance.

Had San Antonio's teams not been that great defensively, Duncan is not carrying those teams anywhere. That's why Pops has to get the vast amount of the credit for the Spurs success, their system was pretty much perfect.

[celtsfan84]

All fair points.  

I think you are selling Duncan's offensive prowess a bit short.  And as far as it being easier to carry a low-scoring team, Duncan's average is quite similar to Garnett's.  If Duncan's teams had a slower, more low scoring, and defensive oriented gameplan, wouldn't Duncan's point totals be all the more impressive?  If his games were lower scoring, that gives him a higher % of his team's pffensive production, even with better teammates.

I still prefer Duncan, but all fair points.

TP

[KGs Knee]

Obviously this thread has gone way off-topic.  I'll add my 2 cents though.

While I personally think KG is/was better, Duncan has had the more successful career.  4 rings>1 ring.

Hopefully they face each other in the Finals so KG can finally get the last laugh (so to speak).

[Onslaught]

I don't see a problem with Duncan not liking KG. I'm sick of how all the players are friends on and off the court. And KG hasn't given Duncan a reason to like him from what I can tell.


Also, Duncan is better!