How is Sheldon doing in Denver....!!!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

Everyone is looking for threads that i posted that aren't there. I didn't say sheldon should replace anyone on The Celtics, and I have been backing Erden all the way. As for your "uh hello" We HAD LEON POWE that year we won the championship...so "uh hello"..HE was the rebounder that i am taking about. And without our rebounder, we didn't win, so YOU must be wrong, but i don't expect you to realize this.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Sheldon, last night vs Memphis, 23 minutes, 9 rebounds, 9 points.  He would have been a better bench guy than gody, or wafer, and bbd always played a lot harder, after doc put sheldon in HIS spot.....that is all i am saying.

Really dude, I don't think anyone here cares about Shelden Williams.  He's not a difference maker.  Never has been, probably never will be.  The guy is a huge bust for a number 5 pick in the draft. And frankly, I'd rather have Erden.  He is a 7 footer and probably has more potential than Shelden at this point.

Well, you have me wrong, but that is common in email and also here....I never said replace erden, I posted all the time backing erden = 100%, and if no one cared, why all the views and talk..? He is a good rebounder and a role player that I liked...plenty of over reacting on this post, and of course someone went and got his boys to reply for him..,..hahhahaha, almost hurt my feelings..!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...

I think Doc really liked Leon, and wanted him back.  Unfortunately, he blew out his knee, and Danny didn't pick up his qualifying offer (a smart move), causing Leon to take Cleveland's offer. 

Regarding Lasme, he's never been an elite rebounder.  He's decent, but nothing I'd call good, and certainly not great.

As for Shelden...  I liked what he gave us, and wouldn't have minded having him back.  He is a very good rebounder, a hard worker, and he plays above-average defense.  That said, he has some flaws.  He's a poor ball handler, he's undersized, and he often struggled on offense.  I think there's a legit debate over whether he would be more valuable to this team than Harangody, but at the same time I don't think Shelden's absence will impact this season at all.

Also, in terms of bringing him back at least, there's no guarantee that he would have taken a minimum deal from us over Denver's offer.

Well, Sheldon had a great game vs SA late in the season, and never really got constant minutes or chances like bbd did early on...A lot of folks here (though they won't admit it)( I have no idea of your position) were hating on bbd for his first2-3 years also, but the team kept playing him, and he came around. That is what is happening with sheldon in Denver...with the amount of predicted time he would have gotten here, he wouldn't change anything....Aside from all the semi-rabid responses, my post was only..."How is Sheldon doing in Denver" simple question..but I appreciate your civil and even response..I wish most would take note from this..!

[indeedproceed]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

Everyone is looking for threads that i posted that aren't there. I didn't say sheldon should replace anyone on The Celtics, and I have been backing Erden all the way. As for your "uh hello" We HAD LEON POWE that year we won the championship...so "uh hello"..HE was the rebounder that i am taking about. And without our rebounder, we didn't win, so YOU must be wrong, but i don't expect you to realize this.

I'll go with you that you meant it that way, but I read it exactly like guava did. I thought you were implying that Shelden was 'our rebounder' last year.

As far as the 'get back on defense' thing, agree to disagree. We're the number 1 rated defense because our bigs get back, if they didn't there would be a lot more layins and dunks in the "kinda transition" that follows a rebound. I think Ray, Rondo, and Paul are awesome, but if someone outlets to a good strong or fast guard/wing quickly enough, there isn't much our guys can do. Paul/Ray/Rondo's fouls would go up, and there would be more easy buckets. Now, dunking on Shaq/KG/Perkins/JO/even Erden is a little more intimidating.

Now, you could argue any points we'd lose on defense we'd get back in offensive second chance points, but that's a hypothetical, our number 1 defense is real, right now.

Also, this part:

plenty of over reacting on this post, and of course someone went and got his boys to reply for him..,..hahhahaha, almost hurt my feelings..!

That's unnecessary.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

No team to read this whole thread.  But....

1. Sheldon does not play the same positions as Wafer.  Can't replace him.
2. Harangody is barely playing.  We'd need Sheldon for 3 minutes every 3rd game?

so, a whole lotta thread for NOTHING.

Wafer is taking a roster spot...and that is all...it could be filled by any player...he isn't playing, is he..? What was the original post...How is Sheldon doing in DENVER....and if you read into that to suit your side, well fine, you probably jumped in when i was responding to..someone else. So, maybe nothing for YOU, but if you don't like it, don't read it, don't respond, it is really pretty simple, no reason to try to get all big.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I am sorry but did I see a Rodman comparison in there?

Ya, Same height.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

Everyone is looking for threads that i posted that aren't there. I didn't say sheldon should replace anyone on The Celtics, and I have been backing Erden all the way. As for your "uh hello" We HAD LEON POWE that year we won the championship...so "uh hello"..HE was the rebounder that i am taking about. And without our rebounder, we didn't win, so YOU must be wrong, but i don't expect you to realize this.

I'll go with you that you meant it that way, but I read it exactly like guava did. I thought you were implying that Shelden was 'our rebounder' last year.

As far as the 'get back on defense' thing, agree to disagree. We're the number 1 rated defense because our bigs get back, if they didn't there would be a lot more layins and dunks in the "kinda transition" that follows a rebound. I think Ray, Rondo, and Paul are awesome, but if someone outlets to a good strong or fast guard/wing quickly enough, there isn't much our guys can do. Paul/Ray/Rondo's fouls would go up, and there would be more easy buckets. Now, dunking on Shaq/KG/Perkins/JO/even Erden is a little more intimidating.

Now, you could argue any points we'd lose on defense we'd get back in offensive second chance points, but that's a hypothetical, our number 1 defense is real, right now.

Also, this part:

plenty of over reacting on this post, and of course someone went and got his boys to reply for him..,..hahhahaha, almost hurt my feelings..!

That's unnecessary.

Well, looking at all these replies...Roy H, set a good standard for a reply...nothing personal...I am glad when some disagree, but all the extra stuff, you wouldn't "let it go" if it was at you. I never go after anyone, but I give as i get. Heck, the original post was only just, how is the guy doing. I liked sheldon, he was a rebounder, who i felt didn't get much aof a chance here, maybe i am wrong...but so. Nothing for folks to get all heated over. And having one guy go to the hole when the ball is up isn't a bad idea...(for the rebound, i didn't say the whole team).

[barefacedmonk]

I am sorry but did I see a Rodman comparison in there?

Ya, Same height.

Wasn't Rodman only 6'6? Shelden is listed at 6'9.

EDIT: Nevermind, ESPN has Rodman at 6'8. Pretty close.

[indeedproceed]

Well, looking at all these replies...Roy H, set a good standard for a reply...nothing personal...I am glad when some disagree, but all the extra stuff, you wouldn't "let it go" if it was at you. I never go after anyone, but I give as i get. Heck, the original post was only just, how is the guy doing. I liked sheldon, he was a rebounder, who i felt didn't get much aof a chance here, maybe i am wrong...but so. Nothing for folks to get all heated over.

I'm not sure everyone is getting as heated as you think. If I missed something that was out of line, I apologize, but I'm not seeing where anyone is going after you, personally. I see a lot of disagreeing, and some debating, but nothing personal.

And having one guy go to the hole when the ball is up isn't a bad idea...(for the rebound, i didn't say the whole team).

Well, that might be part of the problem. You didn't say one guy, you said:

it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship.

The way I read that (and I imagine a lot of other people too) was that you want the bigs to put more effort into rebounding on offense instead of getting back. You didn't say "I'd like it if we had an 'assigned' offensive rebounder", which is apparently what you meant. Maybe part of the problem is that you're not fully expressing your ideas, and people are misunderstanding you.

[wdleehi]

I am sorry but did I see a Rodman comparison in there?

Ya, Same height.

There were a lot of SGs the same height as Jordon.  Do we compare them?


Rodman was the best rebounder in the NBA when he played.  He was able to be a top defender at three positions.  And he was crazy.


Sheldon is an average rebounder.  He is less then an average rebounder.


He is an extra big man on a good team. 


And Scali played ahead of him because he is a good defender.  Notice he was the PF that was asked to follow the defensive coach to Chicago, not Sheldon.  That's two coaches that thought Scali was the better defender.

[guava_wrench]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

Everyone is looking for threads that i posted that aren't there. I didn't say sheldon should replace anyone on The Celtics, and I have been backing Erden all the way. As for your "uh hello" We HAD LEON POWE that year we won the championship...so "uh hello"..HE was the rebounder that i am taking about. And without our rebounder, we didn't win, so YOU must be wrong, but i don't expect you to realize this.

The "uh hello" is about getting back on defense. That is how we played, even with Powe on the roster.

I definitely did not say that our defensive philosophy was to have bad rebounders on the floor. I have no reason to believe that Doc thinks that rebounding is evil. I was critiquing your comment against Doc's philosophy of having guys get back on defense. You invoked a cliche, so I invoked the reality that the defensive philosophy of emphasizing getting back on defense over offensive boards got us a championship, not the reciting of a sports cliche mantra.

[gar]

Sure, like some have said, his bad games include 12 points in 10 minutes vs SA...which then doc sat him all game thereafter, odd, well, doc did get rid of powe, then sheldon, then lasme...all rebounders...it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship. Yes, i am glad, KG is healthy, and shaq is doing great, also, again i have seen "when" bbd goes after rebounds, he can get a good amount of them..why he doesn't do it more often....?

   Sheldon did NOT get hardly ANY playing time here, don't gloss it over, doc played that fool scal instead....for no basketball reason. and at 6'9"...don't say you can't get it done at that height, uh, Dennis Rodman...if you didn't appreciate him, you prob didn't play bball ever, rebounding is neccessary, Leon Powe was the X factor in why we won that championship, we were beaten down by the dirt the lakers got away with in #6, but with stronger rebounding, we could have put it away b4 that.

You point out something important. His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

Everyone is looking for threads that i posted that aren't there. I didn't say sheldon should replace anyone on The Celtics, and I have been backing Erden all the way. As for your "uh hello" We HAD LEON POWE that year we won the championship...so "uh hello"..HE was the rebounder that i am taking about. And without our rebounder, we didn't win, so YOU must be wrong, but i don't expect you to realize this.

The "uh hello" is about getting back on defense. That is how we played, even with Powe on the roster.

I definitely did not say that our defensive philosophy was to have bad rebounders on the floor. I have no reason to believe that Doc thinks that rebounding is evil. I was critiquing your comment against Doc's philosophy of having guys get back on defense. You invoked a cliche, so I invoked the reality that the defensive philosophy of emphasizing getting back on defense over offensive boards got us a championship, not the reciting of a sports cliche mantra.

Good point; but when Powe and Gomes were here there was definitely a different philosophy in place. They both were able to get offensive board in spite of being undersized. Youth also has something to do with it. If you are a younger team you can run the floor and gamble on getting the offensive rebounds.