Mikki, I hardly knew ye

[BCelts]

We needed a center with length who could hit the outside shot.  Signing Smith would have given us a 5th PF who would have to play out of position at 5, and still leave us with one Center.  Say what you want about Moore, but at least now our c/pf ratio is better at 2/4.

Nobody seems to be able to answer this question:  what good is length / height if it doesn't translate to rebounding, blocked shots, or defense?

Think of someone like Pau Gasol.  If he goes against Leon or Glen, he shoots over them easily all night. 

Now maybe Moore doesn't block his shot when he guards Gasol, but at least Pau doesn't get all those clean looks.  Some things just can't be quantified in statistics, like contesting shots.

Yeah, but the purported lack of clean looks isn't stopping opposing centers from shooting 60% against him.  Maybe being seven feet tall *should* be an asset, but in Moore's case, it isn't (at least on the defensive end).

I agree that Moore's height has not paid dividends defensivly yet, but I can still recall when he played at exit 16W and he was a far better help defender and (not good but) more solid defending opposing centers.  New Jersey's center (drawing a blank right now) is tough for Moore - he is strong and still has agility.  Once Moore learns the defense, I expect some better performance or, as has been said, he will ride the bench.  However, I just don't see Big Baby or Powe properly defending Ilgauskis' pick and pop.  Moore has a better shot in those circumstances.

[Sweet17]

The sample size now is way to small to be attacking Moore. Come on now.. It's not that Moore is so good - it's that Scalabrine, Davis and Powe are actually quite bad. So Moore a legit NBA player will actually do fine.. Watch and see.

[Roy Hobbs]

The sample size now is way to small to be attacking Moore. Come on now.. It's not that Moore is so good - it's that Scalabrine, Davis and Powe are actually quite bad. So Moore a legit NBA player will actually do fine.. Watch and see.

Scal, Powe, and BBD aren't "legit NBA players", but Moore is?  By what measure?

[cordobes]

The sample size now is way to small to be attacking Moore. Come on now.. It's not that Moore is so good - it's that Scalabrine, Davis and Powe are actually quite bad. So Moore a legit NBA player will actually do fine.. Watch and see.

Well, you can use the sample size of his entire NBA career and the conclusions will be the same. Is that still too small?

And since when saying that Moore is a bad rebounder means people are "attacking" him? It's just the truth, I bet even Mikki's mom would agree with that.

[Sweet17]

Scal, Powe, and BBD aren't "legit NBA players", but Moore is?  By what measure?

Well i suppose I shouldn't have implied that they weren't legit NBA players. The are in my view borderline "depth" players. Whereas Moore is an "end of rotation" guy. It's not a huge disctinction. Moore has proven himself as a 8-9-10 guy in a decent teams rotation.  Scalabrine, Davis and Powe are ideally injury replacements. I think only Powe merits serious consideration on most NBA rosters for minutes. Last year for example Scalabrine basically didn't play much. Moore would have played had he been on the team, IMHO.

Not only is Moore taller then any of those guys. He moves better and he shoots a higher percentage. This puts him just a touch over those three. Its for this reason he earned himself quite a contract.

I don't get the Moore bashing with the willingness look the other way on our guys.
Moore doesn't rebound well? Well neither do Scalabrine or BBD. Moore doesn't defend well - sorry but neither do Scalabrine and Davis (at least not by PER numbers). Moore doesn't block shots? Well neither do Powe, Davis and Scalabrine!

Moore brings alot of what Scalabrine does - but at a slightly higher level. He is a bit taller and runs and jumps better. He hustles (good for team D) like Scal does but his superior speed makes him more of a threat. He lacks the three ball but shoots the mid range bettter.


I think Moore might end up as first big off the bench by the end of the season. Its not often you can find a mobile near seven footer with a J.

I think our other bench guys have various strengths. Davis is a real space eater - Powe is good in the post, Scalabrine can spread the floor with the three. But Moore is no worse then those three and likely a touch better.

Doc has always appreciated guys with Moore's kind of game. Bigs with a good J.. Moore will hit more of those Js that Davis takes and you can run the same sets..

[cordobes]

Moore doesn't rebound well? Well neither do Scalabrine or BBD. Moore doesn't defend well - sorry but neither do Scalabrine and Davis (at least not by PER numbers). Moore doesn't block shots? Well neither do Powe, Davis and Scalabrine!

Well, I don't agree with the quoted description: if you put together the flaws of our others backup bigs in a single player and add a midrange shot, that's Mikki Moore.

I think you're way too harsh on Moore by putting things that way. Yeah, it's probably a legit point of view, but Moore provides some intangibles that don't get translated into stats.

Sure the other guys also do that and at they can also do other stuff - Powe can rebound and post up, Baby can defend bigger players and put the ball on the floor, Scal can play perimeter guys and provide spacing - that Moore hasn't the ability to do, but Mikki has the midrange game on them (except maybe on Davis, who's been hitting his jumpers at a decent rate after a slow start), so he's not exactly a Frankenstein built from the worst parts of our remaining backup bigs.

[greenwise]

Some Mikki's vids


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmwsC3mHejk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkhXZMJrO6s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APUwdjbG3zM