"I was good with the way we ended that" - Brad on no timeout at the end

[Scottiej23]

My post from the game thread after some hysterics from some posters. One of which stated there was zero argument to not call a time out...

"They had a full shot clock, and a guy taking foul shots allowing time to consider and nominate the play, of which they would have dozens to chose from with 24 seconds to play with. Sure, the play didn't pan out to be that great, but it's not an essential time out situation. Houston actually played pretty good defence on that trip, so you have to give them credit."

Fairly similar to what Brad has said.

[RockinRyA]

My only problem with the play is that they took too long before starting their movements. Once they got the ball to hayward, there was not much time to look for other options and if they miss they are screwed. I wouldve wanted them to shoot a few seconds earlier.

[Scottiej23]

My only problem with the play is that they took too long before starting their movements. Once they got the ball to hayward, there was not much time to look for other options and if they miss they are screwed. I wouldve wanted them to shoot a few seconds earlier.

Credit that to some pretty good Houston defence on the play.

[Celtics4ever]

My only problem with the play is that they took too long before starting their movements. Once they got the ball to hayward, there was not much time to look for other options and if they miss they are screwed. I wouldve wanted them to shoot a few seconds earlier.

Some of that is by design too, you don't want to take the shot too early to give them another chance too.

[RockinRyA]

My only problem with the play is that they took too long before starting their movements. Once they got the ball to hayward, there was not much time to look for other options and if they miss they are screwed. I wouldve wanted them to shoot a few seconds earlier.

Some of that is by design too, you don't want to take the shot too early to give them another chance too.

They were down 1, not tied. You don't want to put all eggs on 1 basket. If you make a shot and there's still time, you can still defend and the pressure is on your opponent. If you miss, you still have a chance for a rebound and another shot, or worse case scenario, foul and hope for a desperation 3. You give yourself more outs, and I dont think its by design because down 1 teams make sure they leave time on the clock.

[tonydelk]

I have no problem with what happened.  I thought they got a good shot off.  Jaylen has made that shot numerous times this season.  It's one of his bread and butter moves and he was wide open.  It was just short.  You can't ask for a better look then that. 

If they called a timeout Houston could have pressured the ball and caused a turnover.  If the play was blown up Brad could have used the timeout then. I have no issue with it.

If they would have taken the shot earlier and he made it, it would have given Houston ample time to get a play off and score.  I'd rather one shot and done.  Either win or lose the game.  Don't let the opponent have a chance to do anything.

[mmmmm]

I also have no problem with not using a timeout there.

My only quibble with the way it played out is that I do wish Jayson had recognized and reacted to the double a bit quicker -- but his determination to probe the iso has been a big part of who he is and what has been successful for him the last few weeks so it's probably not a reasonable expectation.   It might have given Theis that extra second he ultimately needed but that's arguably just hindsight and, well, quibbling.

Otherwise, once he passed out of the double we were able to execute one of our most efficient plays (Jaylen is >50% on 10-16ft jumpers and well above even that on that particular shot just inside the FT line).   It just didn't fall.

[celts55]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

[mmmmm]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

[celts55]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

Perhaps it was just my eyeball test, or maybe it was because it was so glaring, but in the forth quarter the Rockets had at least 4 put backs that I can remember. I'm surprised that the stats were so even. Truly appeared to me there were beaten pretty badly. Stand corrected.   

[nickagneta]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

Perhaps it was just my eyeball test, or maybe it was because it was so glaring, but in the forth quarter the Rockets had at least 4 put backs that I can remember. I'm surprised that the stats were so even. Truly appeared to me there were beaten pretty badly. Stand corrected.

At least 4-5 of Houston's offensive rebounds were just long, lucky bounces right to Houston players. But, in that 2nd half, there were also 3-4 offensive rebounds that were just about Houston out hustling and out muscling the Celtics.

You can't really get upset about the 4-5 bad bounce rebounds. They happen, especially against teams that shoot lots of threes.

Those other 3-4 even 5 rebounds, Houston outplayed Boston in those instances. But, Houston is good at getting those rebounds because of the way they are position at the time of the shot and how they crash the boards.

Houston's players are on the perimeter, crashing in with a head of steam and can better gauge where the ball may go. Two of Tucker's rebounds and Westbrook's putback slam were exactly those types of offensive rebounds. It's harder to stop than it looks because of the lanes that are always open to the rim for those without the ball.

[tenn_smoothie]

What I am not good with was blowing a 17-point lead at home. We should not be even having a last shot situation to discuss.

[tenn_smoothie]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

Perhaps it was just my eyeball test, or maybe it was because it was so glaring, but in the forth quarter the Rockets had at least 4 put backs that I can remember. I'm surprised that the stats were so even. Truly appeared to me there were beaten pretty badly. Stand corrected.

At least 4-5 of Houston's offensive rebounds were just long, lucky bounces right to Houston players. But, in that 2nd half, there were also 3-4 offensive rebounds that were just about Houston out hustling and out muscling the Celtics.

You can't really get upset about the 4-5 bad bounce rebounds. They happen, especially against teams that shoot lots of threes.

Those other 3-4 even 5 rebounds, Houston outplayed Boston in those instances. But, Houston is good at getting those rebounds because of the way they are position at the time of the shot and how they crash the boards.

Houston's players are on the perimeter, crashing in with a head of steam and can better gauge where the ball may go. Two of Tucker's rebounds and Westbrook's putback slam were exactly those types of offensive rebounds. It's harder to stop than it looks because of the lanes that are always open to the rim for those without the ball.

Especially when you don't turn and find somebody and put a body on them.

[RockinRyA]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

Perhaps it was just my eyeball test, or maybe it was because it was so glaring, but in the forth quarter the Rockets had at least 4 put backs that I can remember. I'm surprised that the stats were so even. Truly appeared to me there were beaten pretty badly. Stand corrected.

At least 4-5 of Houston's offensive rebounds were just long, lucky bounces right to Houston players. But, in that 2nd half, there were also 3-4 offensive rebounds that were just about Houston out hustling and out muscling the Celtics.

You can't really get upset about the 4-5 bad bounce rebounds. They happen, especially against teams that shoot lots of threes.

Those other 3-4 even 5 rebounds, Houston outplayed Boston in those instances. But, Houston is good at getting those rebounds because of the way they are position at the time of the shot and how they crash the boards.

Houston's players are on the perimeter, crashing in with a head of steam and can better gauge where the ball may go. Two of Tucker's rebounds and Westbrook's putback slam were exactly those types of offensive rebounds. It's harder to stop than it looks because of the lanes that are always open to the rim for those without the ball.

Especially when you don't turn and find somebody and put a body on them.

its hard to put a body on someone crashing from the outside. For one you have to keep your eyes on the ball to see where it bounces. Its easier to box out someone who is in the paint without looking. Smart used to get a lot of offensive rebounds this way when we played similar to Houston during IT days when Kelly was our big.

[Somebody]

No problem whit the last shot. Brown had a really good look, it just didn't fall.

I had a HUGE problem with the Celtics getting killed on the offensive boards by a team that is known for being a small ball team. Everyone is talking about how they play without a big, yet they destroyed the C's off the glass. They were a number of plays who could see 2 or more Celtics looking up at the glass, while House, PJ, or Westbrook crashed the boards. No one seemed interested in boxing out at all. No way they win anything if they don't choice to play physical.

Also not missing clutch free throws would help.

'Not sure I understand your concern here. 

On their side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 40 DRB and the Rockets grabbed 12 ORB.

On our side of the court, the Celtics grabbed 14 ORB and the Rockets grabbed 41 DRB.

How is that getting 'killed'?

While shooting better on FTAs would always be nice (and clearly, making just one more FT would have been huge in this game), we shot 76% (19 of 25).   That isn't exactly bad by any stretch.  For what it's worth, HOU shot 14 of 18 (77.8%).

To me the thing that "killed" us (as if anything really "killed" in a virtual tie game) was our inability to keep up with Westbrook's explosiveness to the hoop in the second half.   This allowed them far too many easy baskets and got HOU back into the game.

Perhaps it was just my eyeball test, or maybe it was because it was so glaring, but in the forth quarter the Rockets had at least 4 put backs that I can remember. I'm surprised that the stats were so even. Truly appeared to me there were beaten pretty badly. Stand corrected.

At least 4-5 of Houston's offensive rebounds were just long, lucky bounces right to Houston players. But, in that 2nd half, there were also 3-4 offensive rebounds that were just about Houston out hustling and out muscling the Celtics.

You can't really get upset about the 4-5 bad bounce rebounds. They happen, especially against teams that shoot lots of threes.

Those other 3-4 even 5 rebounds, Houston outplayed Boston in those instances. But, Houston is good at getting those rebounds because of the way they are position at the time of the shot and how they crash the boards.

Houston's players are on the perimeter, crashing in with a head of steam and can better gauge where the ball may go. Two of Tucker's rebounds and Westbrook's putback slam were exactly those types of offensive rebounds. It's harder to stop than it looks because of the lanes that are always open to the rim for those without the ball.

Especially when you don't turn and find somebody and put a body on them.

They could've easily found me behind a monitor yelling at them to box out!