Adrian Wojnarowski: Celtics "might overvalue some of the players they have"

[chambers]

I'd like to see a reported deal that's fallen through because of Ainge's 'stinginess'. Woj should know the details of examples.
I haven't heard/read any rumors where Ainge was too cheap to get the deal done for an impact player.


Sounds like Woj going at our front office. No love lost here.

[Somebody]

Every team "overvalues" their players. Look at the Kings for not trading DMC even if there's a reasonable package there

[walker834]

The more I think about this I more think a team wants Marcus and DA doesn't want to trade him.  And Woj  is saying we overvalue our players.   I'd give up my left nut and picks and players for Cousins but I would be hesitant to trade marcus too.   Same with jordan etc.. Ainge wants a center.  He wants to go after Hayward this offseason.  So Crowder ad filler would be available plus the nets picks to make a moev for a center.  Possibly IT or Smart.  But I think that's the hold up.  Ainge values his players and rightfully so.  Who's to tell him what a guys value actually is to the celtics.

I will though.   Keep Marcus danny.  You are not overvaluing him.

There are a lot of hyped prospects at the top of this draft but none of them fit the celtics like marcus does.  A lot of hype. Or Brown for that matter.

You also don't trade IT midseason unless you are getting a guy like Hayward to replace his scoring. 

Sac or the clippers can choose all they want between guys like KO, jerebko, Yab, Zizic,  etc as far as decent filler. They'd have to take either Amir or Zeller.

[Celtics18]

Woj got lucky once or twice a long time ago, and now he gets a free pass forever it seems.

He's been mailing it in lately.

[walker834]

We can sign HAyward or a free agent center outright this offseason.  If we can't make a trade we are left with draft picks and can draft the other if need be.

There is no reason to give up anything we don't want to overly that could put us in a bind going forward. 

Marcus gives us leverage with IT too.  IT wants the house.  He might deserve it but Woj is working for another team. Mostly himself probably.

A trade happens he gets to report it and people say Woj bomb yay.......

Dude doesn't give a flying frack about us.

[CelticsJG]

Yes we do.

[walker834]

I really don't think we do.  Mathematically obviously it would be nice to have a trade happen.  But with guys like Hayward and others on the market.  Plus high picks the next year we can't find a center some other way?

DA doesn't have to put this team in a bind to do that.  A trade is probably the best conclusion if it's the right one and Woj probably knows this but there really is no reason for Ainge to put himself or the celtics in any kind of a bind or be forced into making a deal he doesn't want to.

Ainge has the chips here just as much so as any team we deal with or Woj for that matter.

We can simply say no and go into the draft and free agency.

[walker834]

Woj is not doing the celtics many if any favors here.   If anything he's talking trash about players we have every right to value and for good reason. the word might is funny because it's just to avoid libel.

We drafted these guys because we liked them and are tryiing to develop them.  It's good we value the players we take.  That's why we're good. The celtics see players differently than other teams and that's a good thing.  A lot of work goes into scouting and finding players we like that fit what we are trying to do in the larger scheme of things vs going by what chad ford says.  All these guys aren't just chips to the celtics. Woj is just starting to wonder this when it's always been that way. This whole mindset that Ainge would trade anyone is a misnomer.  Ainge values his players moreso than most teams.  He doesn't overvalue them.

[GreenWarrior]

if we needed any proof that ainge is "overvaluing" our players look who he sent to lure kevin Durant at that meeting...

 

[Baystbadger]

How Ainge can overvalue a guy like Marcus Smart is beyond me. I have been so underwhelmed by Smart. He has shown zero improvement on offense since he was drafted and his defense has regressed. If Ainge is able to pull off a trade involving Smart, it would be like being able to sell a ketchup popsicle to a guy in white gloves. Even when he does something right it always looks ugly. I'd love to unload him.

[greece66]

Ehm, it's not like Woj really knows what is going on behind the scenes...

I respect his as a journalist, but when it comes to NBA trades there are no 'insiders'.

Besides, iirc he has specifically complained about Ainge not sharing info with him (good for Ainge).

The article read like the kind of vacuity that journalists throw around when asked for predictions.

If the C's don't make a trade, ppl will say >Woj was right, the Cs do overvalue what they have.

If we do make a trade >Oh look, Danny listened to what Woj was saying.

In either case, Woj got away from a TV without looking like a fool. Good for him, but doesn't add anything new to what we know for the team and our FO.

[Bobshot]

The Celtics are the type of team where the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts. At least that was the case last year. I'm not sure they have recovered the depth they had last year--guys like Sullinger and Turner.

Last year, they could survive an injury to a starter, because they had a Turner to fill the hole.
The backups haven't been as successful this year. Which maybe accounts for their regression when a key starter is injured. Just speculating.

[mr. dee]

The Celtics are the type of team where the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts. At least that was the case last year. I'm not sure they have recovered the depth they had last year--guys like Sullinger and Turner.

Last year, they could survive an injury to a starter, because they had a Turner to fill the hole.
The backups haven't been as successful this year. Which maybe accounts for their regression when a key starter is injured. Just speculating.

They can and will recover it. The team just need some time to develop our picks to be a servicable pieces.

[flybono]

.500 basketball team as constructed. Minus Sully and Turner, add Horford. I believe anyone would take that swap without blinking..

Facts are this, it's a shooters league, we have no wing shooters and no legit power forward who can create space at each end or a legit C.
Big Al Horford needs help, Danny left him at the altar  thus far

[Baystbadger]

.500 basketball team as constructed. Minus Sully and Turner, add Horford. I believe anyone would take that swap without blinking..

Facts are this, it's a shooters league, we have no wing shooters and no legit power forward who can create space at each end or a legit C.
Big Al Horford needs help, Danny left him at the altar  thus far

Agreed 100%. The lack of shooters is astonishing. Still no signs of life on the offensive side of ball from the draft picks that Ainge assured us would develop a shot. When is he going to realize the "physical" guards get you nowhere without a shot and without at least some length?