Adrian Wojnarowski: Celtics "might overvalue some of the players they have"

[walker834]

A lot of guys can be mixed and matched.  If anyone is overvalued on the team it's IT because we have other guards.  Also the draft picks we have are somewhat overvalued.  The C's should be holding out though for a superstar level talent.  The issue is durant is gone. 

IT is a star player though. That's not overvaluing him.  Where he is overvalued is that he is completely not tradeable.

[walker834]

The wya the nba is now  IT is very valuable to us though because you want guards who can score.  That's not to say we couldnt go with someone else though.  IT is very valuable to us and around the  league and should be.  Same with Smart for that matter.  Same with AB and Horford.  Even Crowder. We might not need a kg level talent because we have IT and Horford who can score but we need better than Amir and Crowder probably starting if we go with those guys.

Where our roster is weak is Green, KO, Zeller, etc... Yab, Zizic and Young really could replace these guys at the end of the bench and we might actually do better there. Mickey and jackson are basically useless except added depth right now.

[TrueFan]

It is his opinion

“I do wonder sometimes if Boston might overvalue some of the players they have compared to what the rest of the league sees in them. I think Marcus Smart might be starting to fall into that category. His name’s been in some talks previously, and they’ve been pretty careful about who they’d give him up for.”

I love his breaking news, his opinions, not so much.

Unless he has heard rumors of Ainge turning down a Noel for Smart trade because Ainge wanted more back or because he asked for Okafor instead.

Woj's opinions might hold more weight then most since he's privy to so much info.

You would think so, but he has a reputation for letting his biases heavily influence his opinion pieces.  Just look at anything he's ever written about Lebron - it's barely based in reality and mostly comes from how much Woj hates Lebron.  His personal biases come in a lot with other pieces, too.

And don't get me started about his relationships with certain teams and agents and the puff pieces that come from it.  His breaking news is top notch, but his opinion and speculation pieces are mostly crap

You could be right. He has to make a living and draw viewers so it very well could be made up.

[aingeforthree]

The Celtics are careful about who they would trade Smart for? Is that a bad thing?

Nope. They should be careful. Talent like Smart & Rozier doesn't grow on trees. Still raw & very young. Could come back to bite you

[bdm860]

It is his opinion

“I do wonder sometimes if Boston might overvalue some of the players they have compared to what the rest of the league sees in them. I think Marcus Smart might be starting to fall into that category. His name’s been in some talks previously, and they’ve been pretty careful about who they’d give him up for.”

I love his breaking news, his opinions, not so much.

Unless he has heard rumors of Ainge turning down a Noel for Smart trade because Ainge wanted more back or because he asked for Okafor instead.

Woj's opinions might hold more weight then most since he's privy to so much info.

You would think so, but he has a reputation for letting his biases heavily influence his opinion pieces.  Just look at anything he's ever written about Lebron - it's barely based in reality and mostly comes from how much Woj hates Lebron.  His personal biases come in a lot with other pieces, too.

And don't get me started about his relationships with certain teams and agents and the puff pieces that come from it.  His breaking news is top notch, but his opinion and speculation pieces are mostly crap

This exactly, the people he writes positive stories on are the people who feed him info, and he's never been very complimentary of Ainge.

Not that he's bashing Ainge here, but he definitely doesn't have any sources with the Celtics front office.

[BitterJim]

It is his opinion

“I do wonder sometimes if Boston might overvalue some of the players they have compared to what the rest of the league sees in them. I think Marcus Smart might be starting to fall into that category. His name’s been in some talks previously, and they’ve been pretty careful about who they’d give him up for.”

I love his breaking news, his opinions, not so much.

Unless he has heard rumors of Ainge turning down a Noel for Smart trade because Ainge wanted more back or because he asked for Okafor instead.

Woj's opinions might hold more weight then most since he's privy to so much info.

You would think so, but he has a reputation for letting his biases heavily influence his opinion pieces.  Just look at anything he's ever written about Lebron - it's barely based in reality and mostly comes from how much Woj hates Lebron.  His personal biases come in a lot with other pieces, too.

And don't get me started about his relationships with certain teams and agents and the puff pieces that come from it.  His breaking news is top notch, but his opinion and speculation pieces are mostly crap

You could be right. He has to make a living and draw viewers so it very well could be made up.

Some of the puff pieces he rights are suspiciously close to insider info he gets about players with the same teams/agents, so it seems to be about keeping his sources happy, too

I don't blame him at all, I just ignore most of his speculation stuff

[pearljammer10]

IT, Smart, Bradley, Brown, Horford are not overvalued.  IT maybe by some.  Even Crowder isn't.  These guys are championship caliber pieces although none of them may be superstars there are stars there.  There are also championship level top of the bench roleplayers there and quality championship level starters..

Guys like Zeller, KO, Green and Amir are basically about as average to below average placeholders and vets as they come.  Honestly any big man of quality would  be an upgrade to any of these guys.  KO has the most value here.

Zizic, Yab and Young actually have nba level upside and could replace any of the above in the future.

Jackson, Mickey etc are about as average d-league fringe roster average prospects as they come.  Jackson out of the two probably has more nba level upside. Rj Hunter was this too. Any of these guys could be cut without thinking twice minus maybe jackson. These guys are really no better than Gabe Pruitt.

This is the biggest problem with this team. They do have many championship pieces however they are playing out of place. Bradley as a championship piece is a 6th man. Crowder a 7th. IT and Horford 2a's and 2b's. We need that superstar to bump the other guys to roles more comfortable for their skill sets.

[Smitty77]

Way I see it is this...

Above Average starters:

IT
Horford

Average starters:

Bradley
Crowder

Bench pieces:

Smart
Jerebko

Young-n-hopefully studs:

Brown
Rozier

Deadweight:
everyone else not drafted this year. Guys like DJ, Nader, Zizic still hold value.

I would disagree with your assessment of AB being an average starter.  Him being a first-team All-NBA Defender and his huge improvement in rebounding and three point shooting make him slightly above average.  Not where Horford and IT are, but your list creates the illusion of a gap.  I would rate AB quite a bit higher than Jae this year!!!

Smitty77

[PhoSita]

Other teams "might" undervalue what the Celts have in terms of assets, too.

[TrueFan]

It is his opinion

“I do wonder sometimes if Boston might overvalue some of the players they have compared to what the rest of the league sees in them. I think Marcus Smart might be starting to fall into that category. His name’s been in some talks previously, and they’ve been pretty careful about who they’d give him up for.”

I love his breaking news, his opinions, not so much.

Unless he has heard rumors of Ainge turning down a Noel for Smart trade because Ainge wanted more back or because he asked for Okafor instead.

Woj's opinions might hold more weight then most since he's privy to so much info.

You would think so, but he has a reputation for letting his biases heavily influence his opinion pieces.  Just look at anything he's ever written about Lebron - it's barely based in reality and mostly comes from how much Woj hates Lebron.  His personal biases come in a lot with other pieces, too.

And don't get me started about his relationships with certain teams and agents and the puff pieces that come from it.  His breaking news is top notch, but his opinion and speculation pieces are mostly crap

You could be right. He has to make a living and draw viewers so it very well could be made up.

Some of the puff pieces he rights are suspiciously close to insider info he gets about players with the same teams/agents, so it seems to be about keeping his sources happy, too

I don't blame him at all, I just ignore most of his speculation stuff

TP for the heads up.

[Jon]

I don't doubt Wojo. That said, I think it's wise for Danny to essentially wait for the perfect move. As we saw with this past draft, we don't need more assets; we already have more than we know what to do with. So really, we just need to wait until the right star becomes available. Then I think Danny will throw the kitchen sink at that team. Look how much he was going to give up to trade up for Justise Winslow and he is far from a superstar.

I have a feeling Wojo is more talking about some sort of Smart for Noel/Okafor-ish type of trade. Sure, you can talk about the merits of that trade and how it would help the front court, but you would have to have the greenest tinted glasses on earth to think that made the C's a contender. So as long as he's only overvaluing in situations like that, I see no problem with it.

[perks-a-beast]

It does feel a little reminiscent of the Baby Bulls era in mid-00s.

Smart = Hinrich

I would MUCH rather have 3rd year Hinrich than 3rd year Smart

Hinrichs stats in his 3rd year:
42%FG , 37%3PT , 16 PPG , 6 APG , 4 RPG

Smarts offense is so bad that hes a liabilty out there alot of times.

[gift]

It is his opinion

“I do wonder sometimes if Boston might overvalue some of the players they have compared to what the rest of the league sees in them. I think Marcus Smart might be starting to fall into that category. His name’s been in some talks previously, and they’ve been pretty careful about who they’d give him up for.”

I love his breaking news, his opinions, not so much.

Unless he has heard rumors of Ainge turning down a Noel for Smart trade because Ainge wanted more back or because he asked for Okafor instead.

Woj's opinions might hold more weight then most since he's privy to so much info.

You would think so, but he has a reputation for letting his biases heavily influence his opinion pieces.  Just look at anything he's ever written about Lebron - it's barely based in reality and mostly comes from how much Woj hates Lebron.  His personal biases come in a lot with other pieces, too.

And don't get me started about his relationships with certain teams and agents and the puff pieces that come from it.  His breaking news is top notch, but his opinion and speculation pieces are mostly crap

This exactly, the people he writes positive stories on are the people who feed him info, and he's never been very complimentary of Ainge.

Not that he's bashing Ainge here, but he definitely doesn't have any sources with the Celtics front office.

This is true which is why I always pay attention not only to what he says about the Celtics, but the timing. You can read between the lines and sometimes figure out what direction his info is coming from. Then you think about why they might be expressing an opinion about the Celtics when they are.

[celticsclay]

Way I see it is this...

Above Average starters:

IT
Horford

Average starters:

Bradley
Crowder

Bench pieces:

Smart
Jerebko

Young-n-hopefully studs:

Brown
Rozier

Deadweight:
everyone else not drafted this year. Guys like DJ, Nader, Zizic still hold value.

I would disagree with your assessment of AB being an average starter.  Him being a first-team All-NBA Defender and his huge improvement in rebounding and three point shooting make him slightly above average.  Not where Horford and IT are, but your list creates the illusion of a gap.  I would rate AB quite a bit higher than Jae this year!!!

Smitty77

yeah even against a top notch team like the Spurs he was extremely effective. He would be their 3rd best player by a decent amount and they are a great team. Definitely above average with elite defense, great guarding rebounding and 15ppg

[bdm860]

It does feel a little reminiscent of the Baby Bulls era in mid-00s.

Smart = Hinrich

I would MUCH rather have 3rd year Hinrich than 3rd year Smart

Hinrichs stats in his 3rd year:
42%FG , 37%3PT , 16 PPG , 6 APG , 4 RPG

Smarts offense is so bad that hes a liabilty out there alot of times.

Some ESPN writer came up with this perfect line last year to describe Smart's game.  Every time I really think about Smart's offensive production, I always think back to this:

Marcus Smart plays offense as if he's being defended by Marcus Smart."