ESPN's Russillo: Latest on Love

[indeedproceed]

Think maybe Thompson doesn't  want to be in Minny so the deal dies.

That doesn't really matter because he's not a free agent.  So he has to play wherever he's dealt.

Would he want to re-sign in Minny? And would Minny give him the max? Think the answer is no to both.

Does anyone want to really sign in Minny? I fail to see what power Minnesota really has when it comes to trading Love. He's made it pretty clear he is gone one way or another. If we are offering a fair deal that's better then what any other team can offer, but they still want more then I say screw em. Let Flip take less from another team or not trade him at all. Lets see how that turns out for him. Seems very obvious to me the only path to success for Minny is through the draft so not sure why they would even be considering another trade partner.

I think Garnett would've reupped a second time in Minnesota if they hadn't been so poorly managed, same with Love. Outside of maybe Milwaukee, a few other franchises, people will reup, and all cities are pretty cool, especially if you really embrace them and let it become "home".

[knuckleballer]

Think maybe Thompson doesn't  want to be in Minny so the deal dies.

That doesn't really matter because he's not a free agent.  So he has to play wherever he's dealt.

Would he want to re-sign in Minny? And would Minny give him the max? Think the answer is no to both.

Does anyone want to really sign in Minny? I fail to see what power Minnesota really has when it comes to trading Love. He's made it pretty clear he is gone one way or another. If we are offering a fair deal that's better then what any other team can offer, but they still want more then I say screw em. Let Flip take less from another team or not trade him at all. Lets see how that turns out for him. Seems very obvious to me the only path to success for Minny is through the draft so not sure why they would even be considering another trade partner.

I think Garnett would've reupped a second time in Minnesota if they hadn't been so poorly managed, same with Love. Outside of maybe Milwaukee, a few other franchises, people will reup, and all cities are pretty cool, especially if you really embrace them and let it become "home".

Players spend nearly half their time on the road in season and they can live wherever they want in the offseason.  The quality of the organization is probably more important than the location.
Minnesota has been a poorly run team which is their biggest problem.  They lost three first round picks for signing an illegal contract with Joe Smith.  That hurt their ability to build a quality team around Garnett as much as anything.  They have also routinely made terrible draft selections.

[droopdog7]

His thoughts on Boston specifically (not overly earth shattering)...He likes Olynyk & Sullinger, but sees them as backups...Green's contract is detrimental to his value b/c he's inconsistent...Basically said that the Warriors deal was the best b/c he's pretty high on Thompson and at least Lee is a starting caliber PF...

i'm not the the biggest sully supporter. but sully is definitely a starter.

Sully is defintely a starter on a bad team.  But I agree that he is no more than a back up on a good team.  Been saying it all along.

Sullinger is skilled enough to be starter on any team good or bad.

Multiple reports have suggested that at least one team does not agree.  I understand that a lot of games are being played in the media right now but if sully was that good, I think the deal would have been made by now.  He's not and it isn't.

[Rondo9]

His thoughts on Boston specifically (not overly earth shattering)...He likes Olynyk & Sullinger, but sees them as backups...Green's contract is detrimental to his value b/c he's inconsistent...Basically said that the Warriors deal was the best b/c he's pretty high on Thompson and at least Lee is a starting caliber PF...

i'm not the the biggest sully supporter. but sully is definitely a starter.

Sully is defintely a starter on a bad team.  But I agree that he is no more than a back up on a good team.  Been saying it all along.

Sullinger is skilled enough to be starter on any team good or bad.

Multiple reports have suggested that at least one team does not agree.  I understand that a lot of games are being played in the media right now but if sully was that good, I think the deal would have been made by now.  He's not and it isn't.

So because one team does not think of Sullinger as highly as the Celtics do, then that means he's a backup for life? Besides all those reports are more suggestive to me that the Timberwolves posturing for better deals and it was reported that the Celtics offered Olynyk instead of Sullinger.

[byennie]

Sullinger isn't a STARTER? People are having a forest vs trees issue here. We're talking about a guy who had lottery talent (and is now healthy). Who averaged 13 and 8 in 27 minutes as a 21 year-old. Who's PER was above league average. Who played good defense. Who was playing out of position much of the time.

His ceiling is debatable, but calling him a backup at this point is laughable.

[ticket18]

His thoughts on Boston specifically (not overly earth shattering)...He likes Olynyk & Sullinger, but sees them as backups...Green's contract is detrimental to his value b/c he's inconsistent...Basically said that the Warriors deal was the best b/c he's pretty high on Thompson and at least Lee is a starting caliber PF...

i'm not the the biggest sully supporter. but sully is definitely a starter.

Sully is defintely a starter on a bad team.  But I agree that he is no more than a back up on a good team.  Been saying it all along.

Sullinger is skilled enough to be starter on any team good or bad.

Multiple reports have suggested that at least one team does not agree.  I understand that a lot of games are being played in the media right now but if sully was that good, I think the deal would have been made by now.  He's not and it isn't.

Minn not agreeing that Sully is a starter is probably the reason they are in said situation. They are/have not been a very good franchise. To use their word as an assessment tool to measure a players value is not a very good idea or basis for an argument.

[jambr380]

Sullinger isn't a STARTER? People are having a forest vs trees issue here. We're talking about a guy who had lottery talent (and is now healthy). Who averaged 13 and 8 in 27 minutes as a 21 year-old. Who's PER was above league average. Who played good defense. Who was playing out of position much of the time.

His ceiling is debatable, but calling him a backup at this point is laughable.

Yeah, I tend to agree. Frankly, Bass was a starter on championship contending team and I think most people think that Sully is better (or at least has more potential) than Bass. He doesn't necessarily have superstar potential, but he certainly could be a consistent starter for many years - especially if he got in better shape.

[droopdog7]

His thoughts on Boston specifically (not overly earth shattering)...He likes Olynyk & Sullinger, but sees them as backups...Green's contract is detrimental to his value b/c he's inconsistent...Basically said that the Warriors deal was the best b/c he's pretty high on Thompson and at least Lee is a starting caliber PF...

i'm not the the biggest sully supporter. but sully is definitely a starter.

Sully is defintely a starter on a bad team.  But I agree that he is no more than a back up on a good team.  Been saying it all along.

Sullinger is skilled enough to be starter on any team good or bad.

Multiple reports have suggested that at least one team does not agree.  I understand that a lot of games are being played in the media right now but if sully was that good, I think the deal would have been made by now.  He's not and it isn't.

So because one team does not think of Sullinger as highly as the Celtics do, then that means he's a backup for life? Besides all those reports are more suggestive to me that the Timberwolves posturing for better deals and it was reported that the Celtics offered Olynyk instead of Sullinger.

Well, the one team we are trying to convince to take sully apparently doesn't think he's worth it.  So that one out of one.  We don't know what the other teams think.  And of course the celts are talking up sully.  That means nothing. 

[Rondo9]

His thoughts on Boston specifically (not overly earth shattering)...He likes Olynyk & Sullinger, but sees them as backups...Green's contract is detrimental to his value b/c he's inconsistent...Basically said that the Warriors deal was the best b/c he's pretty high on Thompson and at least Lee is a starting caliber PF...

i'm not the the biggest sully supporter. but sully is definitely a starter.

Sully is defintely a starter on a bad team.  But I agree that he is no more than a back up on a good team.  Been saying it all along.

Sullinger is skilled enough to be starter on any team good or bad.

Multiple reports have suggested that at least one team does not agree.  I understand that a lot of games are being played in the media right now but if sully was that good, I think the deal would have been made by now.  He's not and it isn't.

So because one team does not think of Sullinger as highly as the Celtics do, then that means he's a backup for life? Besides all those reports are more suggestive to me that the Timberwolves posturing for better deals and it was reported that the Celtics offered Olynyk instead of Sullinger.

Well, the one team we are trying to convince to take sully apparently doesn't think he's worth it.  So that one out of one.  We don't know what the other teams think.  And of course the celts are talking up sully.  That means nothing.

But the report said that the Celtics apparently offered Olynyk instead of Sullinger. It could also mean that the Celtics are higher on Sullinger than they are with Olynyk. And how do you know that the Wolves doesn't think that Sullinger is starter material. He may not be as established as Thompson, but that doesn't mean he won't be. The Wolves are presumably trying to win now, instead of rebuilding which is foolish move in my opinion.

[joepatsfan]

I don't know if it was mentioned here, but Reports say that the Celtics have yet to offer the Brooklyn picks or Jared Sullinger to Minnesota for Kevin Love. (Source of this: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/06/celtics_waiting_game_is_labor_of_love)


This makes it a little more obvious as to why we have being left way behind in this race for Love.Once the BKN picks are on the table and Sully, its gametime

Flip Saunders is way off if he wants a package of Lee/Thompson and a Warriors pick for Klove and Martin.

Lee and Thompson are combined worse than Love-Martin (mainly because of Love). The Warriors pick will be nothing better than a early 20s selection.

Lee/Thompson will give the Warriors less wins if anything and maybe keep them even. If the deal includes Lee/Thompson/Barnes then ok, I see where he's going with it but Lee and Klay will make them even if not worse and the pick isn't close to valuable.

We can offer #6/#17 and BKN picks in the future which is probably be lottery picks by then and Sullinger, who I really like but he's never going to turn into some All-NBA guy, just a 16-10 at best, can replace Love at the 4 for the time being.. Olynyk is another piece that could turn into something decent as well.

I honestly think Saunders is just blowing smoke right now. He knows that Klay/Lee doesn't put Minny anywhere and they wont even resign in Minny too.

Saunders knows that the Celtics have the best assets to offer but he and the owner cannot stand that they may give their best player to Boston again for the second time in 7 years. Their in denial over there folks.

Unless Minny gets Lee/Klay/Barnes and a 1st (which is highly unlikely), then the Celtics are the frontrunners or Minny just keeps him

[chambers]

I don't know if it was mentioned here, but Reports say that the Celtics have yet to offer the Brooklyn picks or Jared Sullinger to Minnesota for Kevin Love. (Source of this: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/06/celtics_waiting_game_is_labor_of_love)


This makes it a little more obvious as to why we have being left way behind in this race for Love.Once the BKN picks are on the table and Sully, its gametime

Flip Saunders is way off if he wants a package of Lee/Thompson and a Warriors pick for Klove and Martin.

Lee and Thompson are combined worse than Love-Martin (mainly because of Love). The Warriors pick will be nothing better than a early 20s selection.

Lee/Thompson will give the Warriors less wins if anything and maybe keep them even. If the deal includes Lee/Thompson/Barnes then ok, I see where he's going with it but Lee and Klay will make them even if not worse and the pick isn't close to valuable.

We can offer #6/#17 and BKN picks in the future which is probably be lottery picks by then and Sullinger, who I really like but he's never going to turn into some All-NBA guy, just a 16-10 at best, can replace Love at the 4 for the time being.. Olynyk is another piece that could turn into something decent as well.

I honestly think Saunders is just blowing smoke right now. He knows that Klay/Lee doesn't put Minny anywhere and they wont even resign in Minny too.

Saunders knows that the Celtics have the best assets to offer but he and the owner cannot stand that they may give their best player to Boston again for the second time in 7 years. Their in denial over there folks.

Unless Minny gets Lee/Klay/Barnes and a 1st (which is highly unlikely), then the Celtics are the frontrunners or Minny just keeps him

I just made a topic about something similar.
Everything you have said is 100% right my man, TP.
Complete bargain-muling by Saunders.

Danny won't flinch either, he knows exactly what's happening.
As Austin Ainge said. 'It's all planted for a reason'.

[j804]

I don't know if it was mentioned here, but Reports say that the Celtics have yet to offer the Brooklyn picks or Jared Sullinger to Minnesota for Kevin Love. (Source of this: http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/06/celtics_waiting_game_is_labor_of_love)


This makes it a little more obvious as to why we have being left way behind in this race for Love.Once the BKN picks are on the table and Sully, its gametime

Flip Saunders is way off if he wants a package of Lee/Thompson and a Warriors pick for Klove and Martin.

Lee and Thompson are combined worse than Love-Martin (mainly because of Love). The Warriors pick will be nothing better than a early 20s selection.

Lee/Thompson will give the Warriors less wins if anything and maybe keep them even. If the deal includes Lee/Thompson/Barnes then ok, I see where he's going with it but Lee and Klay will make them even if not worse and the pick isn't close to valuable.

We can offer #6/#17 and BKN picks in the future which is probably be lottery picks by then and Sullinger, who I really like but he's never going to turn into some All-NBA guy, just a 16-10 at best, can replace Love at the 4 for the time being.. Olynyk is another piece that could turn into something decent as well.

I honestly think Saunders is just blowing smoke right now. He knows that Klay/Lee doesn't put Minny anywhere and they wont even resign in Minny too.

Saunders knows that the Celtics have the best assets to offer but he and the owner cannot stand that they may give their best player to Boston again for the second time in 7 years. Their in denial over there folks.

Unless Minny gets Lee/Klay/Barnes and a 1st (which is highly unlikely), then the Celtics are the frontrunners or Minny just keeps him

I just made a topic about something similar.
Everything you have said is 100% right my man, TP.
Complete bargain-muling by Saunders.

Danny won't flinch either, he knows exactly what's happening.
As Austin Ainge said. 'It's all planted for a reason'.

I read a globe article earlier that says Danny has yet to show his best hand yet no doubt this is far from over. We are offering a future 1st of our own as part of the package and none of the Brooklyn picks YET.....

[JBcat]

As much as I want Love this summer if Saunders wants to hold on to him to start the season his value will only go down by the trade deadline, or a sign and trade next summer.  It gives us more time to see how Sully and KO develops, and even Bradley for that matter.  Plus if Embiid slides to 6 or if we can move up I think we should take that risk.  Rondo would have to buy in to be patient for another year.

[jambr380]

As much as I want Love this summer if Saunders wants to hold on to him to start the season his value will only go down by the trade deadline, or a sign and trade next summer.  It gives us more time to see how Sully and KO develops, and even Bradley for that matter.  Plus if Embiid slides to 6 or if we can move up I think we should take that risk.  Rondo would have to buy in to be patient for another year.

Yeah, if Embiid is on the board, then [I hope] all deals are off.

I would much rather trade for Love mid-season next year as his value would be considerably lower (if nothing else, we keep our 6th pick).

But if a deal is to happen this offseason, I really hope Danny holds firm on those Brooklyn picks. Getting Love 'at all costs' would be a really dumb way to run an organization.