OKC ousted in 7; Russell Westbrook to Celts; swap lottery pick for Love

[pokeKingCurtis]

Only I never used Rondo's record to say anything. Reading comprehension, dude.

Rondo is ALWAYS implied on Celticsblog.

No exceptions.

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Well, the league basically made this impossible with one of the lamest suspensions I've seen in a while (for Z-Bo) to make sure their beloved Thunder get out of the 1st round. Paul George deserved to get suspended more than Z-Bo (btw, neither deserved to be suspended). Shameful.

[D.o.s.]

Only I never used Rondo's record to say anything. Reading comprehension, dude.

Whoops.

D.o.s. uses Rondo's season records as a point against Rondo season records as points against individual players.

BballTim points out other players, good players, have had bad seasons.

D.o.s. just gave a list of extenuating circumstances to excuse certain players from his criterion (that Wade was injured, that it wasn't Melo's fault that his team sucked and it was an anomaly that he had a losing season).

BballTim points out a fallacy that's common in most arguments against Rondo on Celticsblog. That Rondo's judged by one supposedly infallible rule or point, which, upon general application, is amended without a moment's hesitation to become a rule with exceptions or even no rule at all.

Eddie20 uses Rondo's season records as a point against Rondo.

FTFM.

Only I never used Rondo's record to say anything. Reading comprehension, dude.

Rondo is ALWAYS implied on Celticsblog.

No exceptions.

Never!

Anyway, I'm saying that while a player's overall record with a team can be an interesting bit of information, you have to take it on a case-by-case basis.

[Endless Paradise]

Well, the league basically made this impossible with one of the lamest suspensions I've seen in a while (for Z-Bo) to make sure their beloved Thunder get out of the 1st round. Paul George deserved to get suspended more than Z-Bo (btw, neither deserved to be suspended). Shameful.

Yeah, because Paul George barely stepping a foot onto the court during a scrum is far more deserving of a suspension than punching someone in the face.

Do you people even think about what you're saying before you hit "post"?

[Kane3387]

So much for this thread lol

[pokeKingCurtis]

So much for this thread lol

T minus...half a day before the next Rondo Ron-don't thread.

Edit: Ron-don't

[fairweatherfan]

Only I never used Rondo's record to say anything. Reading comprehension, dude.

Rondo is ALWAYS implied on Celticsblog.

No exceptions.

Never!

Just try it this way from now on:

Westbrook had some good numbers last night, but I've always thought triple-doubles from the PG spot are overrated (no Rondo).

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Well, the league basically made this impossible with one of the lamest suspensions I've seen in a while (for Z-Bo) to make sure their beloved Thunder get out of the 1st round. Paul George deserved to get suspended more than Z-Bo (btw, neither deserved to be suspended). Shameful.

Yeah, because Paul George barely stepping a foot onto the court during a scrum is far more deserving of a suspension than punching someone in the face.

Do you people even think about what you're saying before you hit "post"?

Apparently you missed my point. Paul George didn't deserve to get suspended (even though, technically, he should have). Did you watch the Z-Bo "punch"? I was expected something crazy. It's not at all. It's more like a shove. It was a foul, sure, but it seems crazy to call that a "punch" that is worthy of a suspension. His fist never makes contact with Adams...and I don't really see a fist, period.

[Endless Paradise]

I didn't miss your point.  It doesn't matter if it was a weak punch or whatever you want to call it: Z-Bo made no play on the ball and instead attacked someone above the neck.  That is suspension-worthy.  Nene was suspended for it in the playoffs.  DeJuan Blair was suspended for it in the playoffs.  That is easily more worthy of a suspension than Paul George breaking the letter of the law and stepping a foot onto the court.

[mmmmm]

Rubio is a horrible shooter. And yet, he holds a career .330 on three pointers on a non-negligible sample of shots.

  ...which is still below average.

...but yet leaps and bounds above what Rondo was able to muster in his best season.

I'm a little bit late to the party on this one, but let's be clear - there is a lot more to shooting than 3PT%.  And that's an especially poor measure for two players who both take relatively few 3PT shots (arguably because neither of them are good at it).   If you are going to compare their shooting, compare based on the shots they actually rely on.

Rubio's career eFG is .401.

Rondo's career eFG is .486.

On a non-negligible sample of shots.

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Tim, but over the last 2 seasons it's not just that Rondo hasn't led his team to a 500 record, but more importantly is that during that time the team has clearly played better without him.

Last year-
w/out Rondo 21-17
with Rondo 20-23

This year-
w/out Rondo 19-33
with Rondo 6-24

So over the last 2 seasons the team has a combined record of 40-50 without him, while being 26-47 with him.

That seems like to be missing a bit of contextual information.

Last year, with Rondo - no Bradley, Green clearly struggling to get his game going after missing a year and of course Bass, Jason Terry, Courtney Lee and Paul Pierce each, variously, going through really bad personal shooting slumps.

Last year, without Rondo - Bradley healthy, Green healthy, Pierce & KG both playing much better down the stretch.     You might as well say we 'played better without Barbosa and without Sully'.

This year:  TANK.   Drawing conclusions about the meaning of W-L records in a season where 'winning' was clearly not even a secondary priority for the organization -- especially once we failed to get the Asik deal -- seems absurd.

Not to mention the overall massive amounts of turnover to our roster the last few seasons.

I find it a bit bizarre how easily people waive their hands over all the things that have gone on over the last few seasons in an obvious attempt to somehow blame it on one thing or the other.