Just Keep Jaylen Brown (JKJB) or Just Trade Jaylen Brown (JTJB)?

[Kiorrik]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

The two highlighted lines are why I give up hope for some people.

You can have an opinion, and people will literally tell you to your face that's not your opinion.

That's not debate.

That's how 2 year olds argue.

So everyone is circumspect? What people tell you isn’t always how they demonstrate themselves. I’m simply calling it out.

This dude writes 4+ paragraphs about how it's not absolutism and you go and respond with "yeh it is".

I'm on the JKJB train too (duh) and we've all explained this point of view into infinity. It's annoying that people are still purposefully misreading our opinion with undue hyperbole.

Legit, it's making discussing things with people like you utterly useless.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The fundamental difference between JKJB and JTJB appears to be the question of what is a worthwhile return for him. Most of the JTJB crow would be happy to see us move JB, Schröder, filler and picks for an elite PG like Lillard or Dejounte Murray, either of whom would clearly be a better fit with Tatum (yes, Lillard is older than JB, but his basketball IQ is off the charts, he’s clutch in the playoffs, and he’s a top ten player for those of us who pay attention to the western conference, too). Yes, we would not “win” either trade if winning is defined as absolutely robbing the other team, but trades can be win-win (and both parties clearly think they are when they agree to initiate the trade). There’s just nobody out there to fleece like the Nets circa 2013. That’s been the case for years, which is why we missed out on so many great opportunities in Ainge’s final years. It’s another reason why a lot of JTJB is eager to see us try something that is potentially better than the JT/JB sea of .500…

Here’s the deal: The data shows that Tatum and the team perform better without JB rather than with him. We’ve been mired in .500 territory for over 100 games post-Hayward, the current era of JT/JB without a true number three (Smart will never be the three in a Big 3). It does not make a lot of sense just keeping this arrangement unless it changes and very soon. After the past 100+ games, how much longer must be wait? Especially if Lillard may be available next month? JTJB. 

[GreenlyGreeny]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

Lol wait is this an alt of Larbrd33

todd could be Larbrd33 himself.

For a guy that started posting in 2020 to be so knowledgeable about BBallTim's love for Rondo tells me this isn't todd's first username.

I wonder who he used to be?

To be fair, I was a guest on here for many, many years before actually making time to post (believe I started in 2013 when it was clear we were doing a rebuild). Larbrd33 was a hilarious character, but I’m not sure I posted much if any in his heyday, but I know precisely who that is given his Andie Kauffman avatar (so appropriate) and his bizarre love of Hinkie and The Process (can’t stand anything 76ers related myself).

[todd_days_41]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

The two highlighted lines are why I give up hope for some people.

You can have an opinion, and people will literally tell you to your face that's not your opinion.

That's not debate.

That's how 2 year olds argue.

So everyone is circumspect? What people tell you isn’t always how they demonstrate themselves. I’m simply calling it out.

This dude writes 4+ paragraphs about how it's not absolutism and you go and respond with "yeh it is".

I'm on the JKJB train too (duh) and we've all explained this point of view into infinity. It's annoying that people are still purposefully misreading our opinion with undue hyperbole.

Legit, it's making discussing things with people like you utterly useless.

I read the paragraphs. And I’ve read months of posts before too.

So it bothers you I don’t buy / call out that a fellow poster whose signature is “Just Keep Jaylen Brown” isn’t actually objectively open to trading him, at risk of losing a binky?

Isn’t that just frustration on your part because you share his opinion?  Seems extreme to call “People Like Me Utterly Useless”.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The last vote I saw before reset was 16-5. It could have gotten worse than that.

You could have just added the new option without resetting but that wouldn't have helped your quest to show people feel the same way about trading Jaylen as you do

I stand by my comment. Those concocting ridiculous theories as to why Jaylen HAS to be traded are a very small, very loud minority. The original poll results showed that.

All I know is that JKJB/JTJB is 50-50 right now 🤷‍♂️ Reset it because this is a living, breathing poll and agree it needed that third choice due to concerns about absolutism. Even I would be JKJB if someone proposed Brown for a 35 year old star.

[todd_days_41]

It’s a little surprising that anyone would vote “Just Trade Jaylen Brown”. That’s far more extreme than JKJB.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

Lol wait is this an alt of Larbrd33

todd could be Larbrd33 himself.

For a guy that started posting in 2020 to be so knowledgeable about BBallTim's love for Rondo tells me this isn't todd's first username.

I wonder who he used to be?

Man that was 10 years ago, takes me back man takes me back, Bballtim and larbrd33 going at it on every thread , was quite something

[todd_days_41]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

Lol wait is this an alt of Larbrd33

todd could be Larbrd33 himself.

For a guy that started posting in 2020 to be so knowledgeable about BBallTim's love for Rondo tells me this isn't todd's first username.

I wonder who he used to be?

Man that was 10 years ago, takes me back man takes me back, Bballtim and larbrd33 going at it on every thread , was quite something

My posts are way too short to be LarBrd33!

[mobilija]

Greenly, just so you know, #JKJB was never and will never be an absolutism.

#JKJB was simply my response to the ludicrous trade proposals, the off the wall methodologies for needing to trade Jaylen, the absolutely absurd realities people dreamt up about Jaylen being hated or had no respect in the locker room, the pathetic hatred toward Jaylen for wanting people like himself to be treated equally in the world and for the unreal downplaying of his skills on the court

I got sick of defending Jaylen from this raft of pure negativity. Thread after thread after thread of horrid trade proposals or posts that attacked Jaylen as a man and Celtic. It just got easier to dismiss them with #JKJB Just Keep Jaylen Brown. Because in the long run, it will be worth it.

I stand by that. Would I trade Jaylen? Yup! But for an upgrade. For a player that makes the Celtics clearly, with little doubt, a better team. But I will absolutely throw out #JKJB for every trade that trades our Jaylen Brown dollar bill for 4 quarters, and that is 99.9% of the trade proposals I see on this site.

If you're trading away a 25 year old All-Star averaging over 23 PPG, that's one of the better 2 way wings in the game, a player that has a history of just getting better and better every year and who raises his game even higher in the playoffs, you best be getting someone special back in return.

And that's all I have to say about that!

…. yet you are an absolutist about Brown, like BBallTim was about Rondo.

Let’s hope the Cs are smarter with Brown than they were with Rajon. Because even tho they “won” that trade, they didn’t end up with much.

The two highlighted lines are why I give up hope for some people.

You can have an opinion, and people will literally tell you to your face that's not your opinion.

That's not debate.

That's how 2 year olds argue.

So everyone is circumspect? What people tell you isn’t always how they demonstrate themselves. I’m simply calling it out.

This dude writes 4+ paragraphs about how it's not absolutism and you go and respond with "yeh it is".

I'm on the JKJB train too (duh) and we've all explained this point of view into infinity. It's annoying that people are still purposefully misreading our opinion with undue hyperbole.

Legit, it's making discussing things with people like you utterly useless.

I read the paragraphs. And I’ve read months of posts before too.

So it bothers you I don’t buy / call out that a fellow poster whose signature is “Just Keep Jaylen Brown” isn’t actually objectively open to trading him, at risk of losing a binky?

Isn’t that just frustration on your part because you share his opinion?  Seems extreme to call “People Like Me Utterly Useless”.

Todd, I've read a bunch of your posts. Your opinions are often of high bball IQ and I appreciate that. However, You do have a habit of misconstrueing and misrepresenting peoples opinions, even after they explain them a second time. I previously took it as you not listening/reading well but I guess if you think they are lies, after all its the internet people lie and misrepresent who they are all the time, then....ok? But it doesn't make for interesting or healthy debate. In fact it is kind of boorish and "useless".

Btw, Larbrd33 was crafty and sly. I miss his style of contrarianism here.