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Historic Draft / Re: Any interest in a (historical) fantasy draft?
« Last post by Roy H. on Yesterday at 01:41:27 PM »
I'm still in.  2010 to 2025 works for me, although I'd lobby for 2005 to 2025 only because it opens up more of my favorite players, haha.
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I was not that impressed with DET's starters last year. I thought they got a lot of added-value from their bench that lifted them to a +.500 team.

I didn't think it was the starters that were driving their success. Obviously Cade was. But the rest of the lineup was (and still is) uninspiring. Cade + depth was their calling card more than having a quality starting unit.

The guard and two forward positions (alongside Cade) rate among the lowest in the league. Duren is an average to slightly below average starting center. Cade was the only above average starter in their team.
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Around the NBA / Re: Offseason Thread
« Last post by Who on Yesterday at 01:32:04 PM »
MPJ numbers with / without Jokic

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Over the past three seasons, he?s averaged 17.4 points on .492/.404/.795 splits and .612 true shooting. But in 22 games without Jokic, those figures fell to 15.9 points on .440/.268/.707 splits and .525 true shooting.

He doesn't have much self-creation. It will be interesting to see how he does in Brooklyn without Jokic.
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Detroit has a better starting lineup than Boston in part because they have the best player on either team (without Tatum). And before anyone cries foul, Cade was 3rd Team All NBA last year and finished 7th in MVP voting as a rising 23 year old 4th year player.  He is going to better this year.

Also not sure why Ausar Thompson isn"t starting at SF since he did last year in his 2nd year.

Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Harris, Duren. With Hardaway instead of Ivey starting last year, that team won 44 games.  They should win more than that this year given everyone but Harris is still on the upswing.  And with Strasser, Robinson, LeVert, Stewart, Holland, and Reed on the bench, they might be a sleeper to come out of the East if Cade takes the next step up and the other young guys have their natural progression.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Cs want to sign Damian Lillard
« Last post by Moranis on Yesterday at 01:15:41 PM »
Yeah the Thunder play a very big lineup

PG - SGA 6'6"
SG - Dort 6'4"
SF - Williams 6'6"
PF - Chet 7'1"
C - Hartenstein 7'0"

And Dort and Williams play bigger than they are.  That is part of what makes them so good.  They are just very long, while still being skilled enough to score and defend from anywhere.  I mean even the bench has size as Dort is the smallest guy in the rotation (Wallace is also 6'4")

I think the point was related to the regular season, when Holgrem missed 50 games.  The Thunder didn't use a traditional PF to fill his slot; they usually played an extra guard (Wallace / Wiggins / Joe).

When Holgrem got healthy he took back his spot at PF.  But, the Thunder were highly successful without him for the majority of the season.
the other 2 Williams played a fair amount of minutes when Chet was hurt though.  Jaylin played 47 games, starting 9, at 16.7 mpg and Kenrich played 69 games, starting 7, at 16.4 mpg.  Dieng also upped his time playing just 37 games, 1 start, at 10.9 mpg.  Heck even some guy named Branden Carlson played 32 games at 7.7 mpg.  In the playoffs, Jaylin played 17 games at 8.3 mpg and Kenrich was 16 games at 8.6.  Dieng was just 9 games at 3.6 mpg.  So with the injuries and even with Wallace starting more, they did still play bigger lineups just crappier players.
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Historic Draft / Re: Any interest in a (historical) fantasy draft?
« Last post by smokeablount on Yesterday at 12:57:00 PM »
Other than picking an actual season for each player selected, we need to figure out parameters. Maybe we choose a decade and all seasons must be from that decade (or maybe all players must have played in it, but you can choose any season of the player even if not that decade).

Agreed. Is it easier if I just dictate it and you and whoever is most interested replies and we hash it out?

I figure the overall rules will the same as Gouki?s except the eligible players, saying ?played last year? instead of ?currently under contract? to avoid loopholes, and deciding draft times / frequency.

I would say we do seasons from 2010 on, whether the player is currently active or not. Efficiency is important in the sim and the modern era is significantly higher than the KG/Duncan era. Thoughts?
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Game Threads / Re: Knicks (0-1) vs Celtics (1-0) SL Game #2 7/13/25
« Last post by Who on Yesterday at 12:49:02 PM »
I'd like to see him go to Europe to develop. He needs a lot of teaching. I don't think the G-League is the right place for him.

No offense, but this is just a bad take, as it totally ignores what summer league is about for Amari Williams compared to a guy like Charles Bassey.

Williams will be a on 2-way.  It was decided when the Celtics drafted him this would be the case.  So his summer league is not for showing off, but him working on the things the Celtics want him to get better at in game situations.  Specifically this means getting him on the perimeter more on offense and defense. 

Meanwhile a guy like Charles Bassey, for instance, is playing for a job and is trying to show the Celtics and other NBA teams what he can offer a team today.  Bassey and his ilk are not being put in their worst situations, but asked to show what they can do best.  So Bassey gets to stay near the rim as much as he needs.  He?s doing great there, looks healthy for the first time in years, and I would like to sign him, but the Celtics are keeping him in his comfort zone so far.

Will Williams make it in the long run?  Who knows, but the place for him is absolutely Maine so he can work on things the Celtics want him to work on.  And those things undoubtedly include jumpers from the pick and pop and getting back defend to the rim after helping on the perimeter following a screen.  But when he has had an opportunity to show his best self, he has made some pretty plays.  He hit a cutter today that 95% of centers in the NBA couldn?t dream of finding.

My comment about preferring Amari to go to Europe than the G-League is because I don't think players develop well in the G-League. Europe is a better teaching ground.

He should go away for a few years. Like Anthony Parker did. And then try to come back if he shows growth. It will be a better path for him.

I am not impressed with the G-League in terms of developing players. Especially big men.

Amari looks too far away from being an NBA player to me. He needs more time. More coaching. More experience. I don't consider the G-League the best place for him to get that.

The G league has turned into a better development league then Europe because teams are investing in it.  Are you saying the g league coaches are bad and can't develop players?  Playing in the G league keeps players around their teams where they practice with both the big club and g league club.  Your right that some European leagues have better competition but the rules are very different.  It doesn't serve them well playing FIBA rules versus NBA.  I think if you have a good organization they will make sure the coaching staff is implementing the same type of sets etc that the parent club is which means their development will be much better locally then overseas.

I don't see many players going down into the G-League and coming out much better. I am mistaken? Have there been more than I realize? Who are the success stories? How many of them are big men?

I haven't paid much attention to the G-League in recent years so maybe I am behind the times. Maybe it is better at developing players than it used to be.

Who are the big men who have developed down there in the last 5-7 years?

It used to be that you would get 2 types of big men in the G-League. The athletes with no skills. The skilled players with no athleticism. All they did by competing against one another was develop bad habits. Hardly any of them developed down there.
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Game Threads / Re: Knicks (0-1) vs Celtics (1-0) SL Game #2 7/13/25
« Last post by tonydelk on Yesterday at 12:47:29 PM »
I just don?t believe Walsh gotta make it in NBA & wouldn?t be surprise if Celtics release him in October

I hate to say it but I agree.  Jordan needs to be an average shooter to be in the rotation.  Defensively he holds up.  He crashes the boards.  Has really good athleticism but can't shoot to save his life.  I will say he's improved attacking the hoop but his shot still doesn't look NBA quality and I don't think it ever will be.
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Game Threads / Re: Knicks (0-1) vs Celtics (1-0) SL Game #2 7/13/25
« Last post by tonydelk on Yesterday at 12:45:49 PM »
Just finished watching SL game 2. My biggest take away was....

Scheirmann is a traffic cone on defense, just cross him over at the top of the key and you can just go by him.

Yeah, I haven?t been impressed. If Baylor is going to be a rotation player this year, he should look much better than he has.  On both ends.

What people have to understand is that a players defense is going to look a lot worse in summer league.  Baylor's team defense was much better in March/April and it's one of the reasons why he got on the floor.  I think Baylor is doing well and I'm please with his progress.  I hate summer league because it's so erratic and there isn't much semblance of team basketball because of the lack of practice time these players get.
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Game Threads / Re: Knicks (0-1) vs Celtics (1-0) SL Game #2 7/13/25
« Last post by tonydelk on Yesterday at 12:43:07 PM »
I'd like to see him go to Europe to develop. He needs a lot of teaching. I don't think the G-League is the right place for him.

No offense, but this is just a bad take, as it totally ignores what summer league is about for Amari Williams compared to a guy like Charles Bassey.

Williams will be a on 2-way.  It was decided when the Celtics drafted him this would be the case.  So his summer league is not for showing off, but him working on the things the Celtics want him to get better at in game situations.  Specifically this means getting him on the perimeter more on offense and defense. 

Meanwhile a guy like Charles Bassey, for instance, is playing for a job and is trying to show the Celtics and other NBA teams what he can offer a team today.  Bassey and his ilk are not being put in their worst situations, but asked to show what they can do best.  So Bassey gets to stay near the rim as much as he needs.  He?s doing great there, looks healthy for the first time in years, and I would like to sign him, but the Celtics are keeping him in his comfort zone so far.

Will Williams make it in the long run?  Who knows, but the place for him is absolutely Maine so he can work on things the Celtics want him to work on.  And those things undoubtedly include jumpers from the pick and pop and getting back defend to the rim after helping on the perimeter following a screen.  But when he has had an opportunity to show his best self, he has made some pretty plays.  He hit a cutter today that 95% of centers in the NBA couldn?t dream of finding.

My comment about preferring Amari to go to Europe than the G-League is because I don't think players develop well in the G-League. Europe is a better teaching ground.

He should go away for a few years. Like Anthony Parker did. And then try to come back if he shows growth. It will be a better path for him.

I am not impressed with the G-League in terms of developing players. Especially big men.

Amari looks too far away from being an NBA player to me. He needs more time. More coaching. More experience. I don't consider the G-League the best place for him to get that.

The G league has turned into a better development league then Europe because teams are investing in it.  Are you saying the g league coaches are bad and can't develop players?  Playing in the G league keeps players around their teams where they practice with both the big club and g league club.  Your right that some European leagues have better competition but the rules are very different.  It doesn't serve them well playing FIBA rules versus NBA.  I think if you have a good organization they will make sure the coaching staff is implementing the same type of sets etc that the parent club is which means their development will be much better locally then overseas.
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