Quote from: aefgogreen on January 20, 2026, 03:25:44 PM

Quote from: jambr380 on January 20, 2026, 12:48:38 PM

I feel like people don?t understand the impact White has out there even when he?s not shooting well. We?ve basically been amazing since the moment he arrived at the trade deadline in 2022 and it?s not like he even has a bad contract. 29/29 other teams would gladly take White off our hands at his given salary

I think they got it. I put him in my eight. I only asked if it's worth risking leaving him as other teams might not take a 31 year old. But I agree, it would be a mistake to not protect him.

He also is a guy a new team may want to establish expectations and culture on what should be a younger team.   And he is a guy they could get a lot back for in a trade.

White has been great for us.  And at the end of the day, I would protect him. However, I think if we were to trade him, we'd get less in return.

Quote from: Celtics2021 on Today at 03:06:42 PM

Quote from: Roy H. on Today at 02:45:55 PM

Quote from: jambr380 on Today at 02:18:52 PM

Our best bet is that another team thinks Simons is a commodity rather than somebody they are agreeing to take on if we give them picks.

I'd still send out our 2026 1st with Simons for Zubac, but would be pretty annoyed if it ended up being like 2032 pick or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but both LA and BOS are 1st apron teams, right?

That means that neither can take on more salary than it sends out?  That would mean we'd need to find a third team to take on some salary.

The Clippers are about $1.1 million under the 1st apron.

Okay.  And they're hard-capped, right?

So, they don't have much flexibility in trading with the Celts without a third team involved.  Simons-for-Zubac, for instance, wouldn't work.

I believe a Hauser+Tillman+Picks for Zubac trade would work.

A team over the 1st apron can't take back more than they send out via salary matching, but we'd be using the TPE to absorb Zubac not using a salary match. The C's would  then have enough room to sign a minimum guy and be just below the 2nd apron.

Of course adding 8 million in salary would be super expensive tax wise, something like 50 million extra in tax+salary (off the top of my head). But they could do it. Tatum could slot into Hauser's minutes when he returns, and maybe you could re-sign Simons this offseason at like 19/per rather than 28 to decrease your tax burden a bit.

Quote from: Celtics2021 on Today at 03:06:42 PM

Quote from: Roy H. on Today at 02:45:55 PM

Quote from: jambr380 on Today at 02:18:52 PM

Our best bet is that another team thinks Simons is a commodity rather than somebody they are agreeing to take on if we give them picks.

I'd still send out our 2026 1st with Simons for Zubac, but would be pretty annoyed if it ended up being like 2032 pick or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but both LA and BOS are 1st apron teams, right?

That means that neither can take on more salary than it sends out?  That would mean we'd need to find a third team to take on some salary.

The Clippers are about $1.1 million under the 1st apron.

Okay.  And they're hard-capped, right?

So, they don't have much flexibility in trading with the Celts without a third team involved.  Simons-for-Zubac, for instance, wouldn't work.

Correct.  They are actively looking to dump Chris Paul, of course, so I think it reasonable to view them as having closer to $3.5 million to play with, but the dollars need to be pretty tight.  Without dumping Paul, Zubac + Derrick Jones Jr. would fit for Simons if no third team was involved.

Quote from: jambr380 on Today at 02:18:52 PM

Our best bet is that another team thinks Simons is a commodity rather than somebody they are agreeing to take on if we give them picks.

I'd still send out our 2026 1st with Simons for Zubac, but would be pretty annoyed if it ended up being like 2032 pick or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but both LA and BOS are 1st apron teams, right?

That means that neither can take on more salary than it sends out?  That would mean we'd need to find a third team to take on some salary.

The Clippers are about $1.1 million under the 1st apron.

I guess I don't completely understand the hand-ringing about trading for another max player. In fact, I see a salary cap way the Cs could trade for a player like Giannis and get out of the 1st apron this season. That would reset the apron penalties. If we then used the big trade exception in the off-season for another solid rotation player, we'd be looking at a 2-3 year window with the Giannis-Tatum-Brown core. We'd be the favorites.

The trade idea would be something like White, Simons, Hauser, and Minott (plus draft picks, and possibly one of Hugo or Walsh) for Anthony and the 3 brothers. We'd then sign Ron Harper Jr. to a team-friendly contract.

We'd start Pritchard-Brown-Tatum-Walsh-Giannis with Queta-Hugo-Baylor-Garza-Anthony off the bench.

Don't get lost on the trade idea primarily here. My main point is that it is possible to add another all-star player while getting out of the 1st apron and resetting the apron penalties.