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Assuming you could protect eight?

Tatum, JB, Neemis, White, PP, Walsh, Hugo, Hauser

Do you take a chance and not protect White, thinking that nobody would want his contract at his age? I think it?s too risky. I guess Garza is gone. I don?t like the idea of leaving Walsh or Hugo exposed.

I'd protect Garza over Walsh.

Why? He plays hard, but he?s not even good enough as a backup C. Walsh is 6 years younger and can guard multiple positions. He?s also shooting over 40% from 3pt.

Mainly because I think Walsh is a bust.  That said, Luka is a big who can also shoot the three. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/uGlLB

Stats are close, but Jordan is getting about 3MPG more right now.  Jordan is shooting over 40% from 3PT, but Luka is even better than that.


Look, wings are a dime a dozen as we should know, both Danny and Brad are infatuated with drafting them.  He might be 6 years older, but he fits in the age bracket for this team, which is also why I would not be upset if they traded White vs Simons.  Another plug and play swap.

In an expansion draft, you need to consider what will make the new team want the player. A young, improving wing on a cheap contract would be way more likely to be taken than an older big on a minimum contract. Walsh's contract is also more team friendly (slightly cheaper, and while both have 1 year left after this Walsh's contract has a team option).

If an expansion team wants a player like Luka Garza, they can sign one in FA for the minimum. If they want a player like Jordan Walsh, they have to hope one is unprotected and use a pick.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Enjoyment as a Celtics fan
« Last post by trickybilly on Today at 08:01:51 AM »
No doubt contract based.

But he listens, he learns, he's smart as a whip, and didn't understand the extent of his offensive and defensive role and technique respectively. Maybe he's found it. Maybe he likes it and will sign for a discount.

Also, yeah, trade Simons. We can't afford him now. This video is a nice breakdown of his historic +/- spike.

https://youtu.be/Sy6N9ogl8C0?si=w_aCsyuYD4LOiZO5

EDIT: I don't know this dude, first vid seen. I don't subscribe and click and all that. Most quasi AI or full AI YouTube stufft sucks. Just a good math vid with good quali (interviews with A) and quan (+/- spike) data. We've found Jamal C.

Still, gotta trade him.

EDIT: Not sure the plus minus being historic is accurate.

EDIT: Oh, OP answer. Maybe like Phil Pressey down slope of zenith. Also, always hated the Sullinger years. Maybe the same years?
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Assuming you could protect eight?

Tatum, JB, Neemis, White, PP, Walsh, Hugo, Hauser

Do you take a chance and not protect White, thinking that nobody would want his contract at his age? I think it?s too risky. I guess Garza is gone. I don?t like the idea of leaving Walsh or Hugo exposed.

I'd protect Garza over Walsh.

Why? He plays hard, but he?s not even good enough as a backup C. Walsh is 6 years younger and can guard multiple positions. He?s also shooting over 40% from 3pt.

Mainly because I think Walsh is a bust.  That said, Luka is a big who can also shoot the three. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/uGlLB

Stats are close, but Jordan is getting about 3MPG more right now.  Jordan is shooting over 40% from 3PT, but Luka is even better than that.


Look, wings are a dime a dozen as we should know, both Danny and Brad are infatuated with drafting them.  He might be 6 years older, but he fits in the age bracket for this team, which is also why I would not be upset if they traded White vs Simons.  Another plug and play swap.

The problem with Garza is that he is not a good defender. Can?t protect the paint at all. This is the main reason why the Celtics biggest need is a backup center.

How can Walsh be a bust at 21 years old when he?s shooting 40%+ from 3pt and arguably the best defender on the team who can guard 1-4. Don?t understand that at all.

Does age matter in believing someone is a bust?

Anthony Bennett - Bust at 20
Kwame - Bust at 22
Darko Milicic - Bust before 20

What do they have in common, two were first overall and Darko was 2nd overall.

Walsh is a second round pick. 

As for his 3PT%, I'll play the wait and see, he's attempted 65 and made 28.  Josh Minott (who) has attempted 73 and made 32 for just a slightly higher % than Walsh in 9 fewer games.

I may eat my words, but third year in and aside from his D, not showing me anything, many times I think he looks lost out there.  He gives me the same deer in the headlights look that Kedrick Brown used to.  Who?  Oh yeah, 11th overall pick, busted out by age 23.

Let's not use age as a bust determining factor.

I do not know what you are watching.  In addition to his defense,  Walsh has the second-highest true shooting percentage on the team behind Luka Garza, and is our best non-center offensive rebounder.  He has been valuable at both ends of the court.

Future star?  Probably not.  Bust?  That label is shed and cannot be put back on.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Who would the Celtics protect in an expansion draft?
« Last post by boscel33 on Today at 07:24:39 AM »
Assuming you could protect eight?

Tatum, JB, Neemis, White, PP, Walsh, Hugo, Hauser

Do you take a chance and not protect White, thinking that nobody would want his contract at his age? I think it?s too risky. I guess Garza is gone. I don?t like the idea of leaving Walsh or Hugo exposed.

I'd protect Garza over Walsh.

Why? He plays hard, but he?s not even good enough as a backup C. Walsh is 6 years younger and can guard multiple positions. He?s also shooting over 40% from 3pt.

Mainly because I think Walsh is a bust.  That said, Luka is a big who can also shoot the three. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/uGlLB

Stats are close, but Jordan is getting about 3MPG more right now.  Jordan is shooting over 40% from 3PT, but Luka is even better than that.


Look, wings are a dime a dozen as we should know, both Danny and Brad are infatuated with drafting them.  He might be 6 years older, but he fits in the age bracket for this team, which is also why I would not be upset if they traded White vs Simons.  Another plug and play swap.

The problem with Garza is that he is not a good defender. Can?t protect the paint at all. This is the main reason why the Celtics biggest need is a backup center.

How can Walsh be a bust at 21 years old when he?s shooting 40%+ from 3pt and arguably the best defender on the team who can guard 1-4. Don?t understand that at all.

Does age matter in believing someone is a bust?

Anthony Bennett - Bust at 20
Kwame - Bust at 22
Darko Milicic - Bust before 20

What do they have in common, two were first overall and Darko was 2nd overall.

Walsh is a second round pick. 

As for his 3PT%, I'll play the wait and see, he's attempted 65 and made 28.  Josh Minott (who) has attempted 73 and made 32 for just a slightly higher % than Walsh in 9 fewer games.

I may eat my words, but third year in and aside from his D, not showing me anything, many times I think he looks lost out there.  He gives me the same deer in the headlights look that Kedrick Brown used to.  Who?  Oh yeah, 11th overall pick, busted out by age 23.

Let's not use age as a bust determining factor.
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More about the Ivica Zubac sweepstakes...he just recorded 18 points and 19 boards tonight. Including 10 offensive rebounds. Incredible
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Celtics Talk / Re: Enjoyment as a Celtics fan
« Last post by slightly biased bias fan on Today at 02:07:53 AM »
Any season with Kyrie. The guy constantly did things to detract from team unity. Not showing up on the bench for the Game 7 vs Cleveland and then shooting us out of the game that ended our season vs Bucks and then saying that he should have taken more shots in the post presser are two perfect examples.

The Perk trade in 2011 ruined a team that I loved and took away our one advantage over the other contenders - toughness and interior muscle.
And Danny decided we needed athleticism instead (so we could look like every other top team).


If I remember correctly the Perk trade had more to do with his upcoming free agency.

Contract negotiations revealed that Perkins would cost too much money. Instead of losing him for nothing, Ainge gambled that the Celtics could use multiple veterans to cover for Perk, and get a long term asset in Jeff Green.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Enjoyment as a Celtics fan
« Last post by tenn_smoothie on Today at 12:23:23 AM »
Any season with Kyrie. The guy constantly did things to detract from team unity. Not showing up on the bench for the Game 7 vs Cleveland and then shooting us out of the game that ended our season vs Bucks and then saying that he should have taken more shots in the post presser are two perfect examples.

The Perk trade in 2011 ruined a team that I loved and took away our one advantage over the other contenders - toughness and interior muscle.
And Danny decided we needed athleticism instead (so we could look like every other top team).
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Game Threads / Re: Celltics (27-16) at Nets (12-30) Game #44 1/23/26
« Last post by radiohead on Yesterday at 11:16:00 PM »
Now this is really a good time to rest DW! Hopefully we see lots of Hugo.
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Transaction Ideas and Rumors / Re: Clippers Rumor With Bulls Addition
« Last post by radiohead on Yesterday at 11:15:13 PM »
Our best bet is that another team thinks Simons is a commodity rather than somebody they are agreeing to take on if we give them picks.

I'd still send out our 2026 1st with Simons for Zubac, but would be pretty annoyed if it ended up being like 2032 pick or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but both LA and BOS are 1st apron teams, right?

That means that neither can take on more salary than it sends out?  That would mean we'd need to find a third team to take on some salary.

The Clippers are about $1.1 million under the 1st apron.

Okay.  And they're hard-capped, right?

So, they don't have much flexibility in trading with the Celts without a third team involved.  Simons-for-Zubac, for instance, wouldn't work.

I believe a Hauser+Tillman+Picks for Zubac trade would work.

A team over the 1st apron can't take back more than they send out via salary matching, but we'd be using the TPE to absorb Zubac not using a salary match. The C's would  then have enough room to sign a minimum guy and be just below the 2nd apron.

Of course adding 8 million in salary would be super expensive tax wise, something like 50 million extra in tax+salary (off the top of my head). But they could do it. Tatum could slot into Hauser's minutes when he returns, and maybe you could re-sign Simons this offseason at like 19/per rather than 28 to decrease your tax burden a bit.

Man it would be tough to lose Hauser. He?s a home grown hero. But if it gets you Zubac then you?d have to do it.
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Game Threads / Re: Celltics (27-16) at Nets (12-30) Game #44 1/23/26
« Last post by FLCeltsFan on Yesterday at 09:50:35 PM »
TP to Celtics2021   for being the first to post in the game thread!!!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Celtics!!!!!!

Beat the Nets!!!!!!!
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