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Transaction Ideas and Rumors / Re: Would you trade this for Myles Turner
« Last post by ozgod on Today at 01:47:18 AM »....
We might be better off trading Hauser and a second for Day'ron Sharpe and Noah Clowney to bolster our depth in bigs behind Queta, and then move Simons for a two way wing that can fit into the Zinger TPE which is $22m, then we can carry Simons's TPE into next season. The emergence of Walsh and Minott has made me wonder if Hauser and his $10m are expendable to fetch us better backup bigs.
Whats the fascination with Dayron Sharpe lately? The guys just not that good. Id rather have Hauser who has become a very formidable 2 way player.
I don't get it either.
Has the guy massively improved in the last year or so? Because the guy I remember was a below average backup center. Limited on both ends of the court.
I don't understand this idea of trying for a budget option bench center. Like that is how far away the team is from winning a championship. We are so good all we need is a passable bench piece.
I also do not understand the reluctance to pay guys what they are worth. Fair enough to be concerned about a contract if it is a bad deal that you won't be able to move. But Myles Turner + Nic Claxton are both on solid contracts. If you want to trade them, you can move them. Not only can you move them but you will get value in return for them. They are assets. Not liabilities. They are worth their contracts. I have no understanding of this refusal to pay good players fair money. If they are worth it, pay them.
I guess the question is, are they worth it? And is the contract really movable? Because when you look at advanced metrics, there are other, younger, players doing what they are doing for much less. Kind of like Queta and Kornet were, when we signed them. And if we in our lounge rooms can access that type of data I'm sure that every front office in the league can, and probably has access to much more. Of course, for every Queta or Kornet there's a Tillman where it doesn't work out.
I'm not attached to Sharpe by any means, I used him as an example of what could be a better value option than Turner. Here is Sharpe's advanced metrics from Cleaning the Glass (I have a sub and am choosing to share the information and providing credit to them).
Offensive (orange is 50th %ile or above for their position, blue is under 50th %ile).
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Sharpe is in the top 26% of all bigs in terms of his points per shot attempt (128.6), top 13% in assist % (18.5% of all teammate made shots that he assisted on), and his assist to usage ratio where he is in the top 17% of bigs with an assist to usage ratio of 0.95. The big flaw (and there's always a flaw especially at this price point) is his turnover %, where he ranks in the bottom 5% of bigs, turning the ball over 1 in every 4 times when using a possession.
If you compare with Claxton, he compares favorably, his PSA is higher, but Claxton is much better at taking care of the ball.
Then you look at his defensive metrics:
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Again Claxton and Sharpe's metrics are similar, Claxton ranks higher in blocks, Sharpe higher in steals, Sharpe ranks higher in offensive and defensive rebounds (he's in the 80th percentile at least in both metrics, as well as offensive rebounding of free throws, while Claxton is better at staying out of foul trouble.
Then we factor in their contracts:
Claxton: in 2nd year 4y/$97m contract ending in 2027-28 - https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/31590/nicolas-claxton
Sharpe: in 1st year of a 2y/$12.5m contract with a club option for next year - https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74136/dayron-sharpe
Data from www.spotrac.com where I also have a sub
I'm not going to die on the Day'ron Sharpe hill, but I would argue that he represents better value in terms of his production than either Claxton or Turner. The two glaring issues are the turnovers and the fouling, which is probably what is holding him back. Are those fixable? I don't know enough to say. But I would offer that that is why his name keeps getting brought up.
That being said, looking at his shooting tendencies, he seems to be very similar to Queta. He's a rim roller and dunker spot guy. He doesn't shoot from the midrange, he doesn't stretch the floor. Joe seems to like different tools in the toolkit when it comes to his bigs to force the opposition to adapt to different looks. Sharpe is a little bit too similar to Queta, in that he would just be Queta V2. He might have been someone they signed before they saw what Queta has done so far.
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As for whether Myles Turner's contract is tradeable, I wonder about that, given that Indy refused to extend him and Milwaukee was the only one willing to pay him because they needed to show Giannis they were doing everything they could to build a team around him. And given his mediocre numbers this year, he's not doing his trade value any good. But @Vermont Green said, if it became a zero-sum game where we had to get rid of Simons, we had no takers except Milwaukee, would we take on Myles's contract? Probably. But I don't think he would move the needle for us.
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