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Celtics Talk / Re: I Think I Am Aboard The Tank Train Now
« Last post by Kernewek on Today at 04:01:01 AM »
Let me make sure I understand - To guarantee a lottery spot, the Celts would have to finish outside the top 10 in the East. Correct ?

If we finished 9th or 10th and lost our play-in, would we be placed in the lottery ?
Are the teams with the worst records still given the most ping-pong balls respectively ?
That's correct: the teams that lose the play-in are placed in the lottery, and teams with the worst records are given better odds via more ping-pong balls, like so:
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Each team will be assigned the following odds for teams starting with the reverse order of regular season record. The default odds are as follows:
Team 1: 14.0%
Team 2: 14.0%
Team 3: 14.0%
Team 4: 12.5%
Team 5: 10.5%
Team 6: 9.0%
Team 7: 7.5%
Team 8: 6.0%
Team 9: 4.5%
Team 10: 3.0%
Team 11: 2.0%
Team 12: 1.5%
Team 13: 1.0%
Team 14: 0.5%
Note: The above odds are the default odds should no team finish with an identical record. When teams finish with the same regular season record, tie-breaking procedures are enacted which can slightly shift the odds.
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-lottery-explainer
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Patriots / Football / Re: NFL 2025-26 Season
« Last post by SparzWizard on Today at 02:04:10 AM »
Cam Newton calling the Patriots current 9-2 run "Fool's gold", while giving great praise of the Indianapolis Colts with a 8-2 record. At least the Pats beaten the Bills and Tampa on the road.

I know who was fool's gold tho...Cam Newton playing for the Patriots during their bridge year. That or he was fool's gold.
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Celtics Talk / Re: I Think I Am Aboard The Tank Train Now
« Last post by tenn_smoothie on Yesterday at 11:03:37 PM »
Even right now being 7-7 and just outside the play-in picture as the 11 seed, we're #14 in the draft slot on Tankathon. There's actually a lot of terrible teams this year, including a few unexpected ones like Dallas and LAC who have also dealt with some bad injury luck.

Unless White or Jaylen go down with a significant injury and we hover around .500 our best bet is probably a pick in the 8-14 range, and even the higher end of that relies on some luck

You don?t think we?re due for some luck? AJ Dybansta is destined to be a Celtic.

Feels like our luck ran out after the '86 title.
The greatest team of all time followed by years of one devastating misfortune after another.
Even when we have managed to break through and win a title, the door gets slammed shut the very next season with season-ending injuries to our best player.
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Celtics Talk / Re: I Think I Am Aboard The Tank Train Now
« Last post by tenn_smoothie on Yesterday at 10:57:37 PM »
Let me make sure I understand - To guarantee a lottery spot, the Celts would have to finish outside the top 10 in the East. Correct ?

If we finished 9th or 10th and lost our play-in, would we be placed in the lottery ?
Are the teams with the worst records still given the most ping-pong balls respectively ?
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Patriots / Football / Re: NFL 2025-26 Season
« Last post by SparzWizard on Yesterday at 10:32:51 PM »
Who will be fired after the season?

New York Giants & Tennessee Titans already haves
My predictions:
Bengals fire Zac Taylor pleaseeeee
Arizona fires Johnathon Gannon
Atlanta fires Raheem Morris
Miami fires Mike McDaniels

Cleveland fires Kevin Stefanski

Pittsburgh and Mike Tomlin May part ways by mutual agreement if they don?t make playoffs

New Orleans & New York Jets will keep their coaches

Mike Tomlin might've saved himself with the good early start, but we'll see. Harbaugh could get the hot seat if Baltimore can't get it done
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Celtics Talk / Re: 2026 draft class. Best fit for celtics
« Last post by hwangjini_1 on Yesterday at 09:39:31 PM »
I do think a lot of what the best fit is will depend on where we draft.    I would prefer a PF who can play C, or a SF.  I am assuming we miss out of the lottery as of our record today. This is a realistic best fit.  This assumes Brown moves back to SG.  I don't think Haugh could play C but he is my pick for fit where we are drafting as of today's record.

Thomas Haugh Florida would be the best fit where we are picking.

6'9" 215lbs     19 PPG and 8.5 RPG  and he can shoot the three at 36%

Strengths

    Versatility & Athleticism: Mobile and coordinated 6?9? forward with length, agility, and bounce.

    Finishing & Efficiency: Elite rim runner and transition finisher who plays above the rim and thrives off cuts.

    Defensive Versatility: Switchable defender with good timing, discipline, and lateral quickness.

    Motor & Energy: Relentless competitor who sprints the floor, crashes the glass, and sets the tone with hustle.

    Basketball IQ: Understands spacing, rotations, and makes smart, simple reads.

    Rebounding & Activity: Uses length and anticipation to generate extra possessions and contest shots.

Concerns

    Perimeter Shooting Consistency: Has shown flashes but is still developing as an outside shooter.

    Offensive Creation: Relies more on movement and transition play; limited self-creation off the dribble.

    Foul Discipline: Aggressive instincts can lead to unnecessary fouls when contesting or switching.

    Offensive Confidence: Can be too deferential at times, passing up open looks.

    Ball Security: Ball handling and decision-making can tighten up under pressure.

    Consistency & Assertiveness: Impacts the game more through effort than usage; becoming a consistent offensive presence would elevate his value.

https://youtu.be/ZrSz1cDdyX8

I think this could help us at either spot depending on Tatum's return.   If he can play SF you move him there.    If he is a big slower you play him at PF.   Haugh could play either.  My prediction is based on where we are in the draft today which would be 15th.

Neoklis Avdalas would be nice if he dropped too.  I don't think we will be high enough to get the top guys as we are tanking by roster, and certainly not tanking via effort.  Nate Ament would be a dream pick for me.  I like Caleb Wilson as well.  But these guys won't be where we are picking.
i agree he would be a great pick by the celtics, avdalas looks good on videos. tankathon has him at number 20. other projections range from 10 to 20, so it is possible.
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Last post by Goldstar88 on Yesterday at 09:11:55 PM »
Mitchell is getting shut down by Houston.
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Game Threads / Re: Celtics (7-7) at Nets (2-11) Game #15 11/18/25
« Last post by SHAQATTACK on Yesterday at 07:18:22 PM »
Lol C's are technically just 1 game back for being tied for the 4th seed  :laugh:

We have begun to tank ! 
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics 2025-26 Regular Season Discussion
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 06:55:27 PM »
Really don't think it's wise to trade this year's pick.

Why?  People are already complaining that BOS isn't tanking enough and the pick won't have all that much value if BOS is a 0.500'ish team, which is where this appears to be headed, if not better (worse in terms of the pick odds).  What I am suggesting is to only trade the pick if the return is a legit starting big.  That will make the 2025-26 team even better, but the primary goal is to bolster 2026-27.  Is the, say, 12th or 15th pick going to help the 2026-27 team?  I don't see it.

In fact, I predict that if BOS still has the pick on draft night, and it does end up in the say 12-15 range, that BOS probably trades back and picks up more future firsts, which will drive everyone crazy.  For me, the best thing is to trade Simons and the pick for a real player.  A starting big.  A known quantity.  I get that if BOS is in the lottery, there is like a 1% chance it turns into a top 3 pick, but even that pick doesn't help the Tatum and Brown window for at least a few years.

This is all valid. My thinking is that the Celtics should set themselves up for one more "five year window" with the Jays after this season. And in order to actually compete most of those years, they're going to need some legitimate young and affordable guys to supplement the stars and elevate the roster (the Brandon Bass, Nate Robinson, Big Baby types from the old Big 3 Era).

If somehow Simons + this year's pick can net you a legitimate 3rd star, then obviously you pull the trigger. I just don't see that happening -- so I'm hesitant to get rid of a valuable roster construction piece.

I think this year's pick is a chance to get a solid young guy who could become an affordable rotation piece later on in our second window.

I don't disagree on any of this.  This pick could become a rotation piece, sure, also might not.  That is the inherent risk of drafting.

My thinking on trading the pick is to target a 4th or 5th starter.  Our top 3 starters, Tatum, Brown, White, are fine.  I am not sure if in your mind, an affordable rotation piece is a starter or just a bench player.  And maybe there isn't a good deal out there for Simons and the pick, I don't know, but I would shop for that as Plan A.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics 2025-26 Regular Season Discussion
« Last post by Jiri Welsch on Yesterday at 06:33:33 PM »
Really don't think it's wise to trade this year's pick.

Why?  People are already complaining that BOS isn't tanking enough and the pick won't have all that much value if BOS is a 0.500'ish team, which is where this appears to be headed, if not better (worse in terms of the pick odds).  What I am suggesting is to only trade the pick if the return is a legit starting big.  That will make the 2025-26 team even better, but the primary goal is to bolster 2026-27.  Is the, say, 12th or 15th pick going to help the 2026-27 team?  I don't see it.

In fact, I predict that if BOS still has the pick on draft night, and it does end up in the say 12-15 range, that BOS probably trades back and picks up more future firsts, which will drive everyone crazy.  For me, the best thing is to trade Simons and the pick for a real player.  A starting big.  A known quantity.  I get that if BOS is in the lottery, there is like a 1% chance it turns into a top 3 pick, but even that pick doesn't help the Tatum and Brown window for at least a few years.

This is all valid. My thinking is that the Celtics should set themselves up for one more "five year window" with the Jays after this season. And in order to actually compete most of those years, they're going to need some legitimate young and affordable guys to supplement the stars and elevate the roster (the Brandon Bass, Nate Robinson, Big Baby types from the old Big 3 Era).

If somehow Simons + this year's pick can net you a legitimate 3rd star, then obviously you pull the trigger. I just don't see that happening -- so I'm hesitant to get rid of a valuable roster construction piece.

I think this year's pick is a chance to get a solid young guy who could become an affordable rotation piece later on in our second window.
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