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Celtics Talk / Re: Does This Celtics Season Prove Old Argument?
« Last post by aefgogreen on Today at 08:22:06 AM »
One of the most successful tandems ever was Jordan and Pippen. Aren't they as similar as Tatum and Brown?

IMO, Jordan & Pippen had more defining roles than Tatum & Brown.

Jordan was the pure scorer & secondary defender, Pippen was the ball handling playmaker & lead defender.

I also think the fact that Jordan was the senior of the two helped their dynamic. Jordan was the big brother to Pippen, where as Brown is the big brother, yet plays second fiddle to Tatum.
Plus the fact that Michael Jordan was well, Michael Jordan. :-)
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Patriots / Football / Re: NFL 2025-26 Season
« Last post by ozgod on Today at 04:20:48 AM »
This guy Bill Polian, Colts exec during Belichick's prime...can't remember if he voted for Bill or not. LOL.

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Multiple sources told ESPN that Spygate and Deflategate, the twin cheating scandals during the Patriots' championship run, came up in deliberations among voters. A voter who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Polian, an ardent Kraft supporter and former general manager of the Buffalo Bills and Indianapolis Colts -- a chief Patriots rival during their dynasty -- told some voters he believed Belichick should "wait a year" before induction as penance for Spygate, the 2007 cheating scandal that cost the team a first-round draft pick. Commissioner Roger Goodell also fined the Patriots $500,000 and fined Belichick $250,000.

"The only explanation [for the outcome] was the cheating stuff," a veteran Hall voter told ESPN on Tuesday. "It really bothered some of the guys."

In an interview with ESPN on Tuesday night, Polian denied telling fellow voters that Belichick should serve a one-year penance for Spygate. But he said he heard his fellow voters "float that idea" but he insisted he didn't agree or disagree with the proposal. Polian said he voted for Kraft and even spoke up on his behalf during the deliberations, saying Kraft had no knowledge of the Spygate scheme. Polian added that he could not remember with 100% certainty if he voted for Belichick, saying he was 95% sure he voted for the coach and a player, "most likely" L.C. Greenwood:police:

"I was shocked to learn Bill didn't get in," Polian said. "He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47747076/belichick-not-first-ballot-hall-famer

I know he's old, but still, you'd think you would remember something so important. I'm sure he remembered the 23-10 record Bill had against the Colts  :angel:
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Around the NBA / Re: Allen Iverson Snubs Sick Kids
« Last post by ozgod on Today at 01:31:47 AM »
I read this and it is disgusting. "Having a bad day"...well these kids are having a bad life, and he could have taken 1 hour from his day to bring smiles to their faces. Or if he really didn't want to why even agree to do it and get their hopes up? Pathetic.

Here is the Reddit thread in question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qnek4y/allen_iverson_in_australia_absolutely_disgusting/
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics News
« Last post by keevsnick on Today at 12:59:04 AM »
Hot take maybe: Jaylen Brown is 100% right.

He has absolutely sacrificed; we've seen that this season. Had he been on a different team he's probably have put up more numbers and still had some good team success.

Personally, I'm fine if he's a little in his feelings about it. He was booed on draft night. Relegated to the bench in his 3rd season after being a driving forced in an ECF in his 2nd season. He's had half the fan base try to trade him about half a dozen times. Endured left hand jokes, dunk contest jokes, ect ect ect. There were supposed Celtics fans COMPLAINING about having to watch 1st option Jaylen Brown hoops before this season and projecting 32 wins. They have the 2nd bets offense in the NBA.

JB has gotten a lot of flack, if he wants to throw it back in some people's faces then good for him.

I don't read this as being "anti winning" or whatever. Its just sort of statement of fact, he should absolutely get more credit for being a team guy the last 10 years.
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Around the NBA / Allen Iverson Snubs Sick Kids
« Last post by slightly biased bias fan on Today at 12:56:46 AM »
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/allen-iverson-australia-cancer-charity-challenge-20260127.html

Allen Iverson is being criticized for an allegedly disrespectful visit with a childrens cancer charity in Australia, after a viral Reddit post called out the former Sixer for absolutely disgusting conduct at the hospital.

Challenge, a Melbourne-based charity supporting children with cancer, has hosted NBA players such as Shaquille ONeal, Cameron Johnson, Josh Giddey, Seth Curry, and Carmelo Anthony for visits in the past.

Challenge chief executive officer David Rogers told The Inquirer in a statement on Tuesday that Iverson spent almost two hours engaging with media, executives, and high-profile sports figures, but in stark contrast, described the Hall of Famers conduct with the children and families as unacceptable.

Iverson was set to do a 45-minute meet-and-greet with children and families supported by Challenge. Iverson was more than 90 minutes late, and according to the Reddit post, decided not to sign anything or speak to anyone, adding that his security said he was having a bad day.

My little brother who is 12 years old and is currently receiving chemotherapy for ALCL lymphoma, was so excited to meet one of his idols, the Reddit post reads. He came out to be extremely disgusted and disappointed in Allen Iversons [behavior], and so were the other [families].

Iverson took one group photo and then ended the visit.

Challenge was deeply disappointed with the meet and greet involving Allen Iverson, Rogers said in the statement. There was nothing further we could have done as an organization to improve the experience and, despite working diligently on the day to manage a challenging and at times disrespectful approach from his management team, we believe Allen Iverson ultimately let down the children and families who came to meet him.
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Patriots / Football / Re: NFL 2025-26 Season
« Last post by SparzWizard on Today at 12:50:10 AM »
Ipf Bill didn't get in on the first ballot for allegedly the cheating scandals, then why should Brady?

If the NFL Hall of Fame wants any credibility going forward, they need to revamp their process.

If they pinned Spygate on Belichick, then they're gonna pin Deflategate on Brady.

BTW, both scandals were a sham esp Deflategate. Brady and co got railroaded on that Ideal Gas Law.

With Spygate, everyone else was stealing signals but it's just the Pats got caught on it and media blew it out of proportion cuz they were on a dynasty run at the time lol
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics News
« Last post by Goldstar88 on Today at 12:43:05 AM »
Jaylen Brown: I feel like I?ve sacrificed over the years in order for us to be a championship-caliber team. And I think now, I think we?re getting to see that a little bit. What exactly, you know, I was capable of and what I was sacrificing. I think before maybe it wasn?t so obvious. I think now, I think being able to be at the helm of things and, um, us being the second seed in the East?versus last year we finished second seed in the East. it?s almost been no drop-off with four players, five players that are essentially gone. Um, I feel like that the work from the coaching staff, the work from our leadership has?has been great. And, um, you know, I just tried to make myself available every single night.

I've never loved this mentality.  "Sacrificing" touches and stats to win a championship isn't a sacrifice at all.

Also, there *has* been a drop off.  Our defense has dropped from 5th to 12th.  Our offense, defense, and net rating are all worse than last year.  The Celtics have overachieved to a large degree, but JB seems to be saying that JT and others aren't the true difference makers, and that's nonsense.

EDIT:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_-1ORYB9mw  Context @ 3:20

100% agree with you.  They actually are not a championship team right now with him at the helm.  Better than expected and he is a major reason why (not the only reason - Q, Simons, Walsh, Hugo, Garza, Sam and PP).  But they aren?t winning a championship without JT and I hope he know that what he?s calling *sacrifice* is actually just being a teammate. I think they?ll be fine (hopefully kick it up) when JT returns but that will be him and JT doing what they should do, for which both of them earn an ungodly fortune.

How about Tatum sacrificing in the playoffs during their championship season. He was shooting less and focusing more on assists and rebounds. Brown won the Finals MVP. You never hear JT talking about this stuff.
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Around the NBA / Re: Real Sliding Doors Moment
« Last post by ozgod on Today at 12:29:03 AM »
Sliding doors moment for who? You think Orlando would be better off with Holmgren as their primary option instead of Banchero? Or you mean OKC would have preferred to have Paolo as a duo with SGA over Chet?
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Around the NBA / Real Sliding Doors Moment
« Last post by slightly biased bias fan on Today at 12:13:19 AM »
I do not think this gets talked about enough, the 2022 NBA draft, and Orlando selecting Paolo Banchero with the first pick over Chet Holmgren.
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One of the most successful tandems ever was Jordan and Pippen. Aren't they as similar as Tatum and Brown?

IMO, Jordan & Pippen had more defining roles than Tatum & Brown.

Jordan was the pure scorer & secondary defender, Pippen was the ball handling playmaker & lead defender.

I also think the fact that Jordan was the senior of the two helped their dynamic. Jordan was the big brother to Pippen, where as Brown is the big brother, yet plays second fiddle to Tatum.
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