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Something along these lines.

No longer allowing a team to draft in the top four two years in a row.

so bad teams never get better and end up like the Kings forever. 

The best solution is if the league thinks a team is tanking is to fine the ever loving he'll out of them for conduct detrimental to the sport. You start hitting the owners pocketbook and they will listen.  Only thing they will listen to honestly.

and the problem with badly managed teams like the Kings staying bad is what?  They've been bad for about 20 years regardless of how many cracks at the lottery they've had.  They've gotten good players in the draft and none of them are left on the team because they've been dealt away.  that's on their mismanagement.  why should the league coddle incompetence?

Exactly. That?s a management issue.

No, the Kings are a mostly mid lottery team.  Rarely bad enough to get a top tier pick, so they never get the talent to move out of no man's land.  That is the perfect example of what will happen to bad teams that are restricted from actually getting the talent needed to not be bad.  Now sure they've also been poorly managed and took Bagley instead of Doncic the one time they've had a top 3 pick since 1991 (when they had the 4th pick recently they took Murray which is actually a solid pick, he just isnt good enough of a player to move the needle).  But poorly managed isnt tanking.  If the goal is to end tanking then that isnt the right type of team to look at.

The kings have had plenty of top picks and they miss 80% of the time. That?s on management.

2022: #4 overall (K. Murray)

2021: #9 overall (Mitchell)

2018: #2 overall (Bagley)

2017: #5 overall (Fox)

2015: #6 overall (Cauley-Stein)

2014: #8 overall (Staukas)

2013:  #7 overall (McLemore)

2012: #5 Overall (Thomas Robinson)

2010 #5 overall (Cousins)

2009 #4overall (Tyreek Evans)

but that is the point.  How many even all star level players are there.  That is exactly what will happen to a whole bunch of teams of you don't let them pick in the top 4 multiple years in a row because they Kings haven't done that.  Instead of just 1 Kjngs you will have 5 or 6 and they will mostly be the same 5 or 6 every year that won't land free agents and won't ever get better.  You will basically make franchises become the Kings.  And sure had the Kings taken Doncic instead of Bagley they might not be the Kings, but even good drafting teams miss on players time to time.  If they miss in their 1 year they get a top pick, they will be bad for a decade.

and you continue to make the point that bad management shouldn't be continually rewarded.  In all those drafts you can find a better player that they passed on.

in some cases sure, but not in all cases, at least not with players that are reasonable selections for where they picked.  I mean if you have the 5th pick, you can't pick a guy that went 20th.

But just out of curiosity have you actually looked at historical drafts and the players taken in the 5-10 range.  Because that is what this will relegate teams to.  Once every 3 years they move up, but what if that is the Risarcher draft.  None of those guys look like difference makers even Stephon Castle.  You say that it doesn't matter, but it absolutely does if that team can't pick in the top 4 for two or even just the next year. It absolutely matters.  No draft is the same.  The talent disparity is a real thing.

Here are some drafts 5-10 in the last decade
2015 - Hezonja, Cauley-Stein, Mudiay, Stanely Johnson, Kaminsky, Winslow
2016 - Dunn, Hield, Murray, Chriss, Poeltl, Maker
2017 - Fox, Isaac, Markkanen, Ntilikina, Smith Jr., Collins
2018 - Young, Bamba, Carter Jr., Sexton, Knox, Mikal Bridges
2019 - Garland, Culver, White, J. Hayes, Hachimura, Reddish
2020 - Okoro, Okongwu, K. Hayes, Toppin, Avdija, Jalen Smith

So on average about 1 all star player a year and about 2-3 total duds, and 2-3 ok players.  You can go back farther and that is pretty similar with a few real franchise players (like Steph).  By and large that part of the draft is always really bad.  It is hard to draft in that range.  Any system which forces bad to teams to draft there instead of higher, is just going to perpetuate those teams being bad and it won't stop tanking.  Most of the teams that are bad are simply just bad, not tanking.

The way to end tanking is to significantly fine the owners.  I'm talking tens of millions of dollars.  If you don't want teams to tank, give them a financial reason to not do it.

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Boston: Ivica Zubac & Derrick Jones
Clippers: Anfernee Simons & 2nd round pick

Zubac
Tatum
Brown
White
Prichard
Big Q
Walsh
Jones
Minnott
Hauser
Gonzalez
Maybe a buyout candidate