Washburn: safe to say Rozier ready to leave boston

[Silky]

It  is patently absurd to blame Rozier for all the team's woes.  I guess folks need a scapegoat but this is a team sport, and the whole team let us down this year and did not measure up.

Causing a riff in the locker room, or being a part of a rift? - Check
Performing terribly on the court? - Check
Playing for the name on the back of the jersey as opposed to the front? Check


Yeah, Terry is high on the list of faults....and rightfully so.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

It  is patently absurd to blame Rozier for all the team's woes.  I guess folks need a scapegoat but this is a team sport, and the whole team let us down this year and did not measure up.

Causing a riff in the locker room, or being a part of a rift? - Check
Performing terribly on the court? - Check
Playing for the name on the back of the jersey as opposed to the front? Check


Yeah, Terry is high on the list of faults....and rightfully so.

I personally don’t blame Rozier or am I down on him as much as everyone else apparently. I understand things from both Rozier side and the Celtics side. It’s apparent why he didn’t look as good, he’s just not a guy who can operate off the bench. He likes to feel out the game and catch a groove. You got to understand that he was thirsty to learn and thirsty to continue to get better with the crowd and media on his side.

Rozier grew to more than “just a guy” when he became scary terry. His rode to becoming scary terry he was a starter for what felt like half a season if you include the playoffs. A playoffs in which we beat teams we shouldn’t have, but he was OUR STARTING PG, beating, Embiid/Simmons, Gannis/Middleton, and fell short against Lebron(awful series for him).

Him stating he sacrificed the most? True. Media was naming him a great starting PG, but Kyrie felt like he knew better than everyone and played his own game. THE ENTIRE TEAM REGRESSED with Kyrie as the PG. I may be mad at Kyrie but I don’t hate him or think he sucks, he just needs to change his mindset on things. He’s not mature enough to have a team built around him.

[slamtheking]

Glad to see that some people feel the same way.  It would drive me nuts if I was a major part of a team that surpassed expectations, only to lose my role to a group that significantly underachieved the following season.  All I know is that this team gave Terry a reason to be frustrated about his role.

If he didn't regress in defense, shooting, passing, and playmaking all at once I'd be a lot more charitable to him.

His frustrations were understandable, his inability to play team basketball given his role as a backup PG/SG was just as frustrating for us fans.

Rozier didn't regress - this year he was the same player he's always been

His playoff performance last year was an aberation, anyone thinking that he suddenly became a star last year was kidding themselves

I think Rozier in his mind became a star after the playoff run...

that's the key piece.  I don't think anyone else saw him as a star.  a valuable player, sure.  I certainly thought he'd be a good player to have on the roster this season.  very mistaken in that regard.

[Fafnir]

that's the key piece.  I don't think anyone else saw him as a star.  a valuable player, sure.  I certainly thought he'd be a good player to have on the roster this season.  very mistaken in that regard.

National writers were mentioning him for 6th man of the year.

It was thought he'd be a huge positive off the bench to help the C's roll to a 60ish win season. Instead he was a net negative on the court. If his FA was last year he might have gotten a deal as big or bigger than Smart's.

Instead I think he'll be looking at a MLE size deal if not smaller.

[BitterJim]

Glad to see that some people feel the same way.  It would drive me nuts if I was a major part of a team that surpassed expectations, only to lose my role to a group that significantly underachieved the following season.  All I know is that this team gave Terry a reason to be frustrated about his role.

If he didn't regress in defense, shooting, passing, and playmaking all at once I'd be a lot more charitable to him.

His frustrations were understandable, his inability to play team basketball given his role as a backup PG/SG was just as frustrating for us fans.

Rozier didn't regress - this year he was the same player he's always been

His playoff performance last year was an aberation, anyone thinking that he suddenly became a star last year was kidding themselves

I think Rozier in his mind became a star after the playoff run...

that's the key piece.  I don't think anyone else saw him as a star.  a valuable player, sure.  I certainly thought he'd be a good player to have on the roster this season.  very mistaken in that regard.

You're both 100% right. I figured he could fill the same role as last year, but he wanted to be more and as a result the team suffered. He's definitely not to blame for all (or even a majority) of the team's woes, but trading him for a vet (even one who is objectively worse as a player) would have helped

[Sophomore]

Terry was frustrating this entire season but I'm not going to pile on him about his comments from last night.  I sensed a lot of bottled up frustration about things not working in Boston.  It's only natural for the contract situation to be a source of stress in such a toxic environment.  He knows that there's no fit for him as long as Irving as here.  He seemed prepared for it, at least to some degree, before the season began.  I'm guessing that things started to change when Irving was going through his random mood swings. 

For all his flaws as a player, I'm not going to judge Terry off of his worst example in a very difficult season for everyone involved.  In some ways I can empathize with his frustration.  There were never stories about him not working hard of being a team player prior to this season.  Not to mention that the team fell significantly short of expectations.  He would have had no leg to stand on if our best players had played to their potential.

I was going to write something like this but you beat me to it. TP.

It was a bad season for him. He's probably not a fit for this team going forward. But we should acknowledge the good things he gave us on that rookie contract.

Glad to see that some people feel the same way.  It would drive me nuts if I was a major part of a team that surpassed expectations, only to lose my role to a group that significantly underachieved the following season.  All I know is that this team gave Terry a reason to be frustrated about his role.

Compare the way Rozier handled himself to the way Jaylen Brown did. Brown started the year in a funk, but he figured it out and became a better player. He's a professional.

End of the day, Terry was being paid millions of dollars to play basketball, and to play an important role on a team with a shot at the title. His big beef is that he had to play behind one of the best PGs in the game. Poor guy. How did he survive.  His sulking is probably going to cost him millions.

[Sophomore]

Glad to see that some people feel the same way.  It would drive me nuts if I was a major part of a team that surpassed expectations, only to lose my role to a group that significantly underachieved the following season.  All I know is that this team gave Terry a reason to be frustrated about his role.

If he didn't regress in defense, shooting, passing, and playmaking all at once I'd be a lot more charitable to him.

His frustrations were understandable, his inability to play team basketball given his role as a backup PG/SG was just as frustrating for us fans.

Rozier didn't regress - this year he was the same player he's always been

His playoff performance last year was an aberation, anyone thinking that he suddenly became a star last year was kidding themselves

I think Rozier in his mind became a star after the playoff run...

that's the key piece.  I don't think anyone else saw him as a star.  a valuable player, sure.  I certainly thought he'd be a good player to have on the roster this season.  very mistaken in that regard.

You're both 100% right. I figured he could fill the same role as last year, but he wanted to be more and as a result the team suffered. He's definitely not to blame for all (or even a majority) of the team's woes, but trading him for a vet (even one who is objectively worse as a player) would have helped

Yeah. Too bad they didn't trade him to get some value for next year - and possibly addition by subtraction this year.

[cltc5]

Here’s my issue with Rozier and some of the other young players.  Just do your job!  If your’re good enough, your time will come but if you’re gonna sulk everytime you don’t get your own way it’s hard for people to feel bad for you when you go out and play selfishly.  Tatum and rozier both had opportunities to show they were next level guys and they blew it all year. At least Jaylen went out there for the most part and did his job.

[Silky]

It  is patently absurd to blame Rozier for all the team's woes.  I guess folks need a scapegoat but this is a team sport, and the whole team let us down this year and did not measure up.

Causing a riff in the locker room, or being a part of a rift? - Check
Performing terribly on the court? - Check
Playing for the name on the back of the jersey as opposed to the front? Check


Yeah, Terry is high on the list of faults....and rightfully so.

I personally don’t blame Rozier or am I down on him as much as everyone else apparently. I understand things from both Rozier side and the Celtics side. It’s apparent why he didn’t look as good, he’s just not a guy who can operate off the bench. He likes to feel out the game and catch a groove. You got to understand that he was thirsty to learn and thirsty to continue to get better with the crowd and media on his side.

Rozier grew to more than “just a guy” when he became scary terry. His rode to becoming scary terry he was a starter for what felt like half a season if you include the playoffs. A playoffs in which we beat teams we shouldn’t have, but he was OUR STARTING PG, beating, Embiid/Simmons, Gannis/Middleton, and fell short against Lebron(awful series for him).

Him stating he sacrificed the most? True. Media was naming him a great starting PG, but Kyrie felt like he knew better than everyone and played his own game. THE ENTIRE TEAM REGRESSED with Kyrie as the PG. I may be mad at Kyrie but I don’t hate him or think he sucks, he just needs to change his mindset on things. He’s not mature enough to have a team built around him.

If you are going to claim the team regressed with Kyrie as the PG, you have to agree that the team improved WITH Kyrie LAST season.


And I do not think that Rozier is the number on issue, but I firmly believe he is the number 1b or 2.

Last season team finished the season with a record of 55-27 good for a .671 win percentage. (record dropped some due to Kyrie missing out the end of the season, games with Kyrie team was team was 14-9 with a .609 win percentage.

This season, 49-33. for a .598

Biggest change from last season?

Hayward.

Essentially adding Hayward took the team from being a .671 team to one that was only .598

[Green-18]

Terry was frustrating this entire season but I'm not going to pile on him about his comments from last night.  I sensed a lot of bottled up frustration about things not working in Boston.  It's only natural for the contract situation to be a source of stress in such a toxic environment.  He knows that there's no fit for him as long as Irving as here.  He seemed prepared for it, at least to some degree, before the season began.  I'm guessing that things started to change when Irving was going through his random mood swings. 

For all his flaws as a player, I'm not going to judge Terry off of his worst example in a very difficult season for everyone involved.  In some ways I can empathize with his frustration.  There were never stories about him not working hard of being a team player prior to this season.  Not to mention that the team fell significantly short of expectations.  He would have had no leg to stand on if our best players had played to their potential.

I was going to write something like this but you beat me to it. TP.

It was a bad season for him. He's probably not a fit for this team going forward. But we should acknowledge the good things he gave us on that rookie contract.

Glad to see that some people feel the same way.  It would drive me nuts if I was a major part of a team that surpassed expectations, only to lose my role to a group that significantly underachieved the following season.  All I know is that this team gave Terry a reason to be frustrated about his role.

Compare the way Rozier handled himself to the way Jaylen Brown did. Brown started the year in a funk, but he figured it out and became a better player. He's a professional.

End of the day, Terry was being paid millions of dollars to play basketball, and to play an important role on a team with a shot at the title. His big beef is that he had to play behind one of the best PGs in the game. Poor guy. How did he survive.  His sulking is probably going to cost him millions.

You aren't wrong.  I just choose to praise Brown as opposed to tear down Rozier.  Jaylen's work ethic and level headed approach puts him in the minority for most players his age.  Jaylen has shown more maturity than many of the All-Time greatest Celtics. 

As for Rozier, I'm not absolving him of blame.  All I ask is that we don't pretend that his beef is only about siting behind one of the best PG's in the game.  Kyrie's mood swings and media tirades gave Rozier every reason to become increasingly frustrated.  Rozier would have been on an island by himself if the rest of the team focused on "doing their job".

[td450]

I'll be glad to see him go.

Before the season, I thought they shouldn't keep both Smart and Rozier, and had to choose. There was one nice role to be had, and Smart won it fair and square.

I would be sympathetic if he had played at least a few games the way he did at the end of last season. He played better because he played defense, pushed the ball in transition, didn't force things and moved the ball if nothing developed. He didn't over dribble and he didn't take step back threes. He showed discretion as an offensive player for the first time in his career.

If he continued with that playing style to start this year, he probably would have beaten out Smart. Instead he reverted to all his old habits, and with it he became a very inefficient player. It wasn't the team's fault. It was his.

[footey]

I like Terry.  I feel bad about his struggles this year.

But the Celtics hold his first refusal rights. Unless a team is willing to sign him to a big contract--highly unlikely--he will have to deal with Boston, with the possibility that he will be signed and traded (after the requisite waiting period). I see it unfolding this way whether or not Kyrie stays, unless Terry plays much better in a starting role next season (if Kyrie leaves).

[Bobshot]

Terry Rozier to @YahooSports: "I don't give a ***** what nobody say, I sacrificed the most out of anybody."

https://twitter.com/vincegoodwill/status/1126363196535857152?s=21

To be fair he probably lost the most finanacial wise out of the players on the team. I'll still always appreciate his playoff run for us last year, and I wish him the best in the next chapter of his career.

He cost himself. He should've accepted his role and tried his hardest to excel at it. Make Sixth Man of the Year your goal.

I don't think Stevens has ever accepted the concept of the sixth man.

[Donoghus]

Fine letting him walk.  They'll be much cheaper alternatives out there and players who buy into the team concept. 

It's a shame because of the glimpses we've seen from him in the past but he probably just cost himself a good amount of money due to a p--- poor attitude and not being a team player.

[jpotter33]

Feel like the locker room was split...Kyrie vs Rozier and Brown. Tatum prolly also.

Hayward and Al seem like they were trying to stay above it all.

Total failure.

And that’s on Boy Genius Brad for not being able to overcome. That’s why you take a more authoritative approach early on in defining roles so that crap like this doesn’t happen.