Author Topic: If we pair AD/Kyrie, do we really want Stevens as coach given this past year?  (Read 6981 times)

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Offline keevsnick

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JP it’s definitely a question worth asking, but who are the alternatives? Ty Lue, Dave Joerger, Stan van Gundy, Frank Vogel?

Outside of Lue, I think all of those guys would be competent replacements. I've long been a fan of van Gundy, and I think he has the kind of demeanor and experience that would have been good for this particular group.

Another name that I would love to see - Thibs. I think his coaching style would've been perfect for this group. The only concern would be his tendency to ride players too hard during the season, which wouldn't be great with Kyrie and AD both being a bit injury prone.

So your solution is to hire a coach that A) has shown no or limited ability to develop young players B) Caused his superstar to forced his way out of town C) Ruins his players with overuse in an era when he should know better.

Like if you don't want Stevens I can get that, I think he needs one more year but i can see the argument. But hard pass on Thibs.

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I want Brad to be our coach for the next 30 years.  I don't think he'd be a good coach for Kyrie and AD though.  If Danny believes elite players for 5 years is more important than an elite coach for 30 years, then I think we should consider goin a different direction from Brad.  I'd rather us keep Brad and move on from Kyrie.

Brad isn't the one who's going to be playing on the court getting us wins, Kyrie will be.

I'll never understand prioritizing a mediocre coach like Brad over a star player like Kyrie.

Wins?  We made it to the ECF for two straight years behind Brad with no Kyrie.  How many wins did Kyrie get us this postseason?  He shot 37% or below from the field in 7 of our 9 playoff games.

If Brad is a mediocre coach, then name 9 current head coaches who are better than him.

Give credit where credit is due. Milwaukee went from 8 seed to 1 seed. They added good pieces and revamped their style of play. If last year's Boston team played this year's Milwaukee team, ain't no ECF appearance for. People need to stop comparing those teams. The East didn't wait for us.

I will agree with that.  But I also think that last year's playoff team would have performed better than 4-1 in this series that was just played against this Milwaukee team.
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A league source confirms that Celtics assistant coach Micah Shrewsberry is leaving Boston to re-join the coaching staff at Purdue.
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Good, purge the whole lot of them. It's kind of crazy that there's not even a former player on the staff since Walter left.
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A league source confirms that Celtics assistant coach Micah Shrewsberry is leaving Boston to re-join the coaching staff at Purdue.
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Good, purge the whole lot of them. It's kind of crazy that there's not even a former player on the staff since Walter left.

Let's see Assistant Coach Perk!

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Not really. But I'd keep Stevens for now and give him a quick hook if I don't like what I see in the first 25-30 games next season.

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I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

I think the IT and Kyrie comparisons are off-base, as they're two completely different players and characters. IT is a chip-on-his-shoulder, self-motivated type of star who overcame significant obstacles to get where he was, which is a lot easier to coach than an established star like Kyrie. IT also had natural leadership abilities that Kyrie clearly does not. Both of those things are something I greatly underappreciated with IT in his time here.

As for the comparison with last year's team, I see that as also off-base, as it was a completely different context with Hayward's injury. There were no expectations of the team last year, and nobody realized until later in the year the level of talent that we had with our young guys. That's a lot easier to coach than a team with a known high level of talent and high expectations.

I just don't see how anyone can be confident that Brad could manage the egos and talent that we would have with AD and Kyrie together after his complete failure to manage the talent and chemistry with this year's team, which is the primary source of this year's team's dysfunction.
Superstars come in all shapes and sizes and with all types of different attitudes, egos and personalities. Stevens had success with two different superstars over 4 years and those superstars and teams thrived for 3 of those years.

This year Stevens was given a lot more than a problem with one superstar, and let's be perfectly clear, he had only one superstar on this team. He had a couple of youngsters who thought they were superstars weren't and became problems. He had a guy the team thought we be a superstar but was a mediocre, at best role, player. Handling that became a problem. He had Baynes injured half the year. That became a problem.

And we aren't even discussing how the whole Jabari Bird situation affected the team early, how the team's asst. coach got caught up in a college admissions cheating scandal and how that may have affected the team, and dealing with the whole Klutch Sports/Anthony Davis trade/Kyrie pending free agency and what it did to hurt this team.

Stevens had a lot more problems than dealing with a superstar that caused what happened to this team this year. I am not sure how much better a coach who is known for handling superstars could have done any better when you look at the entire situation.

This year where Stevens struggled is in dealing with the myriad of crap he was dealt. The results sucked. Not sure many could have done better. Chalk it up to a learning experience for a very young coach and move on.

Ball is in Danny's court now to give Stevens more than one superstar and a team hierarchy that won't cause problems. Weed out the problem players and let's go for 18 in 2020.

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Any coach that actually has control of his team will be a step up from brad.

CBS has 0 control of his guys.

The players need a coach, not a buddy.
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Every day and TWICE on Sundays.

Brad Stevens is a QUALITY coach.

Don't forget we were number TWO in the Durant sweepstakes...and weren't we close to getting Kevin Love, too?

Boston is a PREFERRED destination and Coach Stevens is quality.

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Any coach that actually has control of his team will be a step up from brad.

CBS has 0 control of his guys.

The players need a coach, not a buddy.
Yep.  I wonder what Popovich would have done with this group of guys.  Maybe it seems far fetched but it's possible that Pop wins a championship with this team.  Our talent is in the same ballpark as the talent on the best teams- especially given Golden State's injuries.

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Serious question. Stevens wasn't able to manage the level of talent we had this year. How exactly is he going to manage another superstar talent in AD, who as we saw this year also has a bit of a diva streak to him, as well? He's not found a way to connect with Kyrie yet, so why would we expect him to figure that out along with integrating AD?

And for God's sake, I think we all have nightmares about what he'll turn AD into offensively. We'll have an elite, MVP-caliber interior threat who can attack the rim and finish on almost anyone in the league, and Brad will have him hanging out on the three point line.

Yeah, count me out for that.

You realize that's what AD has been doing for the past 2-3 years, right? He's a pretty low-effort player (especially on defense). My Lakers fan friend who follows the Western Conference closely is baffled that AD continually gets a pass for being an unengaged defender and lazy offensive player. (Seriously, he's worked more on face dribbling than post work the past few years.)

Ok, this is just turrible.  So they want to get rid of the best things this team has for a center with weak D, and unite him with Kyrie and Hayward?

I feel as though i'm wasting my time caring about this organization.

And honestly I feel Danny is past his due date too.

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If we pair AD/Kyrie do you think the media will get off Kyrie's nuts and jump on Anthony's?

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Serious question. Stevens wasn't able to manage the level of talent we had this year. How exactly is he going to manage another superstar talent in AD, who as we saw this year also has a bit of a diva streak to him, as well? He's not found a way to connect with Kyrie yet, so why would we expect him to figure that out along with integrating AD?

And for God's sake, I think we all have nightmares about what he'll turn AD into offensively. We'll have an elite, MVP-caliber interior threat who can attack the rim and finish on almost anyone in the league, and Brad will have him hanging out on the three point line.

Yeah, count me out for that.

You realize that's what AD has been doing for the past 2-3 years, right? He's a pretty low-effort player (especially on defense). My Lakers fan friend who follows the Western Conference closely is baffled that AD continually gets a pass for being an unengaged defender and lazy offensive player. (Seriously, he's worked more on face dribbling than post work the past few years.)

Ok, this is just turrible.  So they want to get rid of the best things this team has for a center with weak D, and unite him with Kyrie and Hayward?

I feel as though i'm wasting my time caring about this organization.

And honestly I feel Danny is past his due date too.
You’re reading way too much into what frankly was a nonsensical AD take.
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If we pair AD/Kyrie do you think the media will get off Kyrie's nuts and jump on Anthony's?

Doubtful.  Kyrie likes to talk.  He provides plenty of quotables and says a lot of stupid things that the media loves to blow out of proportion.  He's an easier target.

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I need more Parsells, Red, Doc, and Belichick in a pro team coach. You're not coaching kids here, these players are all pampered millionaires, you have to reach for their self-pride, their personal legacy, their MINUTES!

Being Opie Taylor just won't cut it.


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If we pair AD/Kyrie do you think the media will get off Kyrie's nuts and jump on Anthony's?

Doubtful.  Kyrie likes to talk.  He provides plenty of quotables and says a lot of stupid things that the media loves to blow out of proportion.  He's an easier target.
its not that he likes to talk. He’s one of the 5 most famous people in the league.  He has several million followers on social media.  He talks because they keep shoving mics in his face and asking him questions.   Other players on the team get asked questions too and they often have tough answers - but nobody gives a crap because they aren’t a celebrity like kyrie.   

This is the first time the Celtics have ever had a hugely relevant star in the social media era.  KG was a megastar too but the NBA media wasn’t what it is now back then and KG didnt have to be the face of an overrated roster that failed to live up to unreasonable expectations.