If we pair AD/Kyrie, do we really want Stevens as coach given this past year?

[nickagneta]

I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

[Chef Parish]

We won't have AD and Kyrie. Nothing to discuss.

What are the lotto numbers for tomorrow?

Don't know the winning numbers. But don't pick 11, you'll definitely lose.

[action781]

I want Brad to be our coach for the next 30 years.  I don't think he'd be a good coach for Kyrie and AD though.  If Danny believes elite players for 5 years is more important than an elite coach for 30 years, then I think we should consider goin a different direction from Brad.  I'd rather us keep Brad and move on from Kyrie.

[RJ87]

I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

Kyrie played last year?

[SparzWizard]

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[jambr380]

Yeah, Stevens has been too good for too long to not give him a chance with a roster that actually works together and where players actually know their roles. I know you have been critical for a long time, jpotter, so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but I think people are victims of the moment with regards to Stevens.

Players seem to like playing for him and respect his knowledge. He isn't the very best motivator so maybe we could use an assistant coach who has more energy. Unless Ainge has an ace up his sleeve, I hate to think who we would actually bring in.

[celticinorlando]

I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

Stevens has to shoulder a bit of the blame this season. I certainly don't want him to leave but if he is going to get Kyrie and AD he might have to change some of his offensive schemes

[flybono]

After this evenings effort makes you wonder ?

[Erik]

There isn’t much to change with the system with AD. You just add a post threat that can kick out to an open 3 on a double. So instead of having to run around for 12 seconds to get an open 3, you go through AD. Simplifies a lot. I know that some of you guys don’t think shooting a bunch of 3s is a good strategy, but with the percentages rising, it’s the best shot, statistically. Sign a few Jared Dudleys and it should work well, a la Kobe and Shaq.

[jpotter33]

I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

I think the IT and Kyrie comparisons are off-base, as they're two completely different players and characters. IT is a chip-on-his-shoulder, self-motivated type of star who overcame significant obstacles to get where he was, which is a lot easier to coach than an established star like Kyrie. IT also had natural leadership abilities that Kyrie clearly does not. Both of those things are something I greatly underappreciated with IT in his time here.

As for the comparison with last year's team, I see that as also off-base, as it was a completely different context with Hayward's injury. There were no expectations of the team last year, and nobody realized until later in the year the level of talent that we had with our young guys. That's a lot easier to coach than a team with a known high level of talent and high expectations.

I just don't see how anyone can be confident that Brad could manage the egos and talent that we would have with AD and Kyrie together after his complete failure to manage the talent and chemistry with this year's team, which is the primary source of this year's team's dysfunction.

[jpotter33]

Yeah, Stevens has been too good for too long to not give him a chance with a roster that actually works together and where players actually know their roles. I know you have been critical for a long time, jpotter, so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but I think people are victims of the moment with regards to Stevens.

Players seem to like playing for him and respect his knowledge. He isn't the very best motivator so maybe we could use an assistant coach who has more energy. Unless Ainge has an ace up his sleeve, I hate to think who we would actually bring in.

I mean, that's the thing, though. That's on Stevens and the coaching staff for not clarifying and enforcing early on. His "equal opportunity" offense just exacerbated these issues, too.

[seancally]

Find some former Celtic player who wants a bench job. Find ex-nba guys to come in and be another voice of wisdom and motivation.

[RJ87]

I have no probs with Stevens and really feel that the whole "Stevens can't coach superstars" line is a load of nothing. The guy had IT playing like a superstar and the team thrived. Last year, after Hayward got hurt, the team with Kyrie, a superstar, was 46-22 when Kyrie went down for the year. Obviously another example of a superstar thriving under Stevens.

I think the IT and Kyrie comparisons are off-base, as they're two completely different players and characters. IT is a chip-on-his-shoulder, self-motivated type of star who overcame significant obstacles to get where he was, which is a lot easier to coach than an established star like Kyrie. IT also had natural leadership abilities that Kyrie clearly does not. Both of those things are something I greatly underappreciated with IT in his time here.

As for the comparison with last year's team, I see that as also off-base, as it was a completely different context with Hayward's injury. There were no expectations of the team last year, and nobody realized until later in the year the level of talent that we had with our young guys. That's a lot easier to coach than a team with a known high level of talent and high expectations.

I just don't see how anyone can be confident that Brad could manage the egos and talent that we would have with AD and Kyrie together after his complete failure to manage the talent and chemistry with this year's team, which is the primary source of this year's team's dysfunction.

I mostly agree with this.

And one thing I think Brad needs to figure out is that when you have stars, you have to make the other guys comfortable in their respective roles. That's something I think he flat out failed at this year.

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Brad Stevens said this has been the most trying season of his coaching career.

“I did a bad job.”

[ozgod]

JP it’s definitely a question worth asking, but who are the alternatives? Ty Lue, Dave Joerger, Stan van Gundy, Frank Vogel?