So....if Kyrie walks, what is the plan?

[NKY fan]

Sign Rozier .. trade a late pick for Augustine from the magic and sign robin Lopez to 2 yrs $10M let both jays take 15 shots a game

[Sophomore]

No Kyrie? So what?
Sign Rozier and go forward with our three first round draft picks and the rest of our team.

I would replace Rozier with any league-average point guard. Anybody who would play within the system instead of playing selfish hero-ball he doesn’t have the ability to play.

[gpap]

Danny would probably match $12 million per year for Terry unless there is better value for an equivalent or better PG.  For all of his flaws, Terry would provide a stable presence for the next year or two.  His contract would also be relatively easy to move if a big trade presented itself.

I agree with you on everything else.

Nothing about Terry Rozier says "stable presence" to me.

Same here (lol.) At least not as our starting point guard. As a back-up, maybe.

[Monkhouse]

Danny would probably match $12 million per year for Terry unless there is better value for an equivalent or better PG.  For all of his flaws, Terry would provide a stable presence for the next year or two.  His contract would also be relatively easy to move if a big trade presented itself.

I agree with you on everything else.

Nothing about Terry Rozier says "stable presence" to me.

Same here (lol.) At least not as our starting point guard. As a back-up, maybe.

He's not even a good back up PG.

Beverly/Lin would be perfect here.

[nickagneta]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

[keevsnick]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

[nickagneta]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

Rozier started 12 games this year. He played against
Utah, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas before they traded everyone off and were playing above .500 and Minnesota so clearly half of those games were against just missing playoffs decent to high quality playoff team.

So excuse me if I don't think his very good starting stats are somehow majorly skewed because of stats in 6 games against bad teams. His starting stats are real.

[Chief]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

Rozier started 12 games this year. He played against
Utah, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas before they traded everyone off and were playing above .500 and Minnesota so clearly half of those games were against just missing playoffs decent to high quality playoff team.

So excuse me if I don't think his very good starting stats are somehow majorly skewed because of stats in 6 games against bad teams. His starting stats are real.

I agree with Nick. I think, in this system,  he'd be a very good starting pg.

[SHAQATTACK]

kyrie leaving is too hideous idea to contemplate for me .

[Sophomore]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

Rozier started 12 games this year. He played against
Utah, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas before they traded everyone off and were playing above .500 and Minnesota so clearly half of those games were against just missing playoffs decent to high quality playoff team.

So excuse me if I don't think his very good starting stats are somehow majorly skewed because of stats in 6 games against bad teams. His starting stats are real.

I agree with Nick. I think, in this system,  he'd be a very good starting pg.

His body of work this year is just bad.

PER 13.2, TS% 501 on the season. These are very bad numbers. And the team’s offense hasn’t been good with him in. He holds the ball too long - longer than Kyrie - doesn’t see the floor well, and takes really ill-timed shots. His no-pass pull-up 3 when we have a chance to go on a run is easily my least favorite Celtic shot.

I don’t believe he will just flip the switch. I think he’s shown us what he is. And I don’t agree he plays within the system. I think he breaks down trust in the system by trying to play hero ball.

The Cs offense fell way off last year when he started, too.

[keevsnick]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

Rozier started 12 games this year. He played against
Utah, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas before they traded everyone off and were playing above .500 and Minnesota so clearly half of those games were against just missing playoffs decent to high quality playoff team.

So excuse me if I don't think his very good starting stats are somehow majorly skewed because of stats in 6 games against bad teams. His starting stats are real.

Charlotte, Brooklyn and Dallas and Minnesota are just not good teams. Gonna have to agree to disagree on that.   That Phili game he started he scored 5 points on 2/9. I'm not saying he doesn't play better when he starts, he does. But some of that is the quality of the teams, some of that is small sample size, and some of that is real. I think relying on him to be play like starting Rozier is you sign him long term is a bad bet. Again, I'm fine with bringing him back. It just has to be a quality contract. I think he COULD be a solid starter, but I'm not paying him like he is for sure a solid starter.

[Sophomore]

As a starter, Rozier is a middle of the pack type good point guard. He plays within the system, takes better shots and plays good defense. For his career he is like 15-16 points, 5-6 assists and 5-6 rebounds a game as a starter and that includes 19 playoff games where the competition was at its best.

He is God awful coming off the bench. He forces shots, the ball sticks to him a lot more with more dribbling, and his defense noticibly drops off. It has to be a mental/confidence thing because he is very Jeckyl/Hyde-like as a starter and bench player.

I'm not convinced he is a good starter. His great starting stats are bolstered this year by playing awful teams. As other have pointed out, we have a very high win percentage without Irving. In those games Rozier starts. Those games also happen to be against awful teams by and large. He's has one good run, the end of last year. If you get him on a deal thats tradable for value then sure, otherwise hard pass.

Rozier started 12 games this year. He played against
Utah, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Dallas before they traded everyone off and were playing above .500 and Minnesota so clearly half of those games were against just missing playoffs decent to high quality playoff team.

So excuse me if I don't think his very good starting stats are somehow majorly skewed because of stats in 6 games against bad teams. His starting stats are real.

Charlotte, Brooklyn and Dallas and Minnesota are just not good teams. Gonna have to agree to disagree on that.   That Phili game he started he scored 5 points on 2/9. I'm not saying he doesn't play better when he starts, he does. But some of that is the quality of the teams, some of that is small sample size, and some of that is real. I think relying on him to be play like starting Rozier is you sign him long term is a bad bet. Again, I'm fine with bringing him back. It just has to be a quality contract. I think he COULD be a solid starter, but I'm not paying him like he is for sure a solid starter.

If the team has to settle for TR as its starting PG they have a problem. His ability to create offense for himself or his teammates is below average for a PG. here is a good assessment from the end of last season, still true today:

“He struggles to find his teammates when attacking off the bounce and is often only able to make simple kickout passes. Becoming a more skilled facilitator could be hugely beneficial to his overall offensive game.

Part of the reason Rozier’s shooting percentages are so low inside the three-point arc is due to his inability to make plays for others. Too often he settles for midrange jumpshots or overextended layups because skip passes and delicate lobs aren’t yet in his bag of tricks.”

I just don’t see the player others do when you say he plays w/in the system. Running pick and roll is in the system, and so is making a skip pass - especially for the lead guard. He is clearly below average among starting PGs.

[gouki88]

Tank for Wiseman

[Phantom255x]

I used to think if Kyrie left, then re-signing Rozier would be a solid Plan B (to go along with building around our young core, adding future picks + having a few more years at least of Hayward + Horford). Now I'm beginning to think letting Rozier walk regardless is the way to go. I might change my mind multiple times because that's the nature of sports fans (lol), but Rozier really has been disappointing this season (and frustrating). Plus there's a good chance some desperate team might overpay a bit to sign Rozier once some of the other star PG's sign or re-sign with teams.

[Rosco917]

The game tonight is a good example of what the future holds without Kyrie and Al. We've severely overvalued our three young players. Shhh...Don't tell the Pelicans though.