The Kyrie Irving free agency thread(to sign 4yr/$141M w/Nets page 105)

[jambr380]

its pretty funny. id like to see it just for the spectacle. 

all these kyrie rumors and not one of him staying.  its making me hopeful.

Glad to see we still have fans who hope we become mediocre again

Yeah because Irving put us on the map right?

You are trying to piece together a puzzle (cavs days) that doesnt apply to this situation

You tell me what's better then! Irving or literally nothing. No compensation, just an empty roster spot which doesn't even lead to cap space.

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

TP - I appreciate the effort and have been banging the same drum for months now, but the argument just doesn't resonate with the anti-Kyrie people. They either, A) don't think he is 'real' all-star and is easily replaceable, and/or, B) see him as a cancer and want him off the team asap so the team can be in harmony once again.

They don't seem to care that he is a huge asset that you don't just let go for nothing. As for your last point (because I see it has already been contended), I think if the Cs were to trade Kyrie, it would be because he also would like to be traded, not because Danny went all turncoat on him.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

its pretty funny. id like to see it just for the spectacle. 

all these kyrie rumors and not one of him staying.  its making me hopeful.

Glad to see we still have fans who hope we become mediocre again

Yeah because Irving put us on the map right?

You are trying to piece together a puzzle (cavs days) that doesnt apply to this situation

You tell me what's better then! Irving or literally nothing. No compensation, just an empty roster spot which doesn't even lead to cap space.

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

TP - I appreciate the effort and have been banging the same drum for months now, but the argument just doesn't resonate with the anti-Kyrie people. They either, A) don't think he is 'real' all-star and is easily replaceable, and/or, B) see him as a cancer and want him off the team asap so the team can be in harmony once again.

They don't seem to care that he is a huge asset that you don't just let go for nothing. As for your last point (because I see it has already been contended), I think if the Cs were to trade Kyrie, it would be because he also would like to be traded, not because Danny went all turncoat on him.

I mean Kyrie leaving for nothing is the price you pay for taking a gamble. Trading for him in general was a gamble, then neglecting to not trade him at the deadline or make any trades for that matter was another gamble. I keep telling people, just because they are a great talent doesn’t mean they are a great fit. Y'all are going to have to accept a loss, you can’t always get something. The Pelicans dealt with it for Boogie, the Cavs dealt with it for Lebron, and the Raptors dealt with it for Bosh. It happens, you are supposed to gamble on superstar talent staying.

Just imagine if Kyrie was never here. As special as he is, his ISO ball just doesn’t fit with a team that likes to move. It’s okay guys, wish him the best on the Nets and MOVE ON.

You make it seem like we don’t have the 1st team all defender surrounded by 2 rising star wings, plus a great big who can protect the paint and shoot the 3... plus we have a lot of drafts picks.

Cmon y’all

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Horford
Baynes

BEAT THE BUCKS, 76ers, and took Lebron to game 7. Are future is a lot brighter than y’all are implying.

[Silky]

its pretty funny. id like to see it just for the spectacle. 

all these kyrie rumors and not one of him staying.  its making me hopeful.

Glad to see we still have fans who hope we become mediocre again

Yeah because Irving put us on the map right?

You are trying to piece together a puzzle (cavs days) that doesnt apply to this situation

You tell me what's better then! Irving or literally nothing. No compensation, just an empty roster spot which doesn't even lead to cap space.

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

TP - I appreciate the effort and have been banging the same drum for months now, but the argument just doesn't resonate with the anti-Kyrie people. They either, A) don't think he is 'real' all-star and is easily replaceable, and/or, B) see him as a cancer and want him off the team asap so the team can be in harmony once again.

They don't seem to care that he is a huge asset that you don't just let go for nothing. As for your last point (because I see it has already been contended), I think if the Cs were to trade Kyrie, it would be because he also would like to be traded, not because Danny went all turncoat on him.

I mean Kyrie leaving for nothing is the price you pay for taking a gamble. Trading for him in general was a gamble, then neglecting to not trade him at the deadline or make any trades for that matter was another gamble. I keep telling people, just because they are a great talent doesn’t mean they are a great fit. Y'all are going to have to accept a loss, you can’t always get something. The Pelicans dealt with it for Boogie, the Cavs dealt with it for Lebron, and the Raptors dealt with it for Bosh. It happens, you are supposed to gamble on superstar talent staying.

Just imagine if Kyrie was never here. As special as he is, his ISO ball just doesn’t fit with a team that likes to move. It’s okay guys, wish him the best on the Nets and MOVE ON.

You make it seem like we don’t have the 1st team all defender surrounded by 2 rising star wings, plus a great big who can protect the paint and shoot the 3... plus we have a lot of drafts picks.

Cmon y’all

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Horford
Baynes

BEAT THE BUCKS, 76ers, and took Lebron to game 7. Are future is a lot brighter than y’all are implying.

All of those teams were alot different last season.

And team last year with Kyrie had a better record than team with kyrie this year.

[Fafnir]

Most LA/Kobe/Lakers connected people are putting out there Kyrie is considering the Lakers. Windhorst keeps forcing himself to talk up the possibility before agreeing with Jackie Mac that he doesn't think it happens.

Meanwhile those connected to Kyrie or Boston are saying (Jackie and others), no way to LA, even as they also say he's not a lock to stay in Boston.

I think he's saying nice things to LBJ and Kobe as they pitch him, but he's telling others after those conversations are done that he's not going for a reunion tour with LBJ.

But who knows, Kyrie is a weird dude, I can see him doing anything. One more month of this 

[RazzelnoDazzel]

its pretty funny. id like to see it just for the spectacle. 

all these kyrie rumors and not one of him staying.  its making me hopeful.

Glad to see we still have fans who hope we become mediocre again

Yeah because Irving put us on the map right?

You are trying to piece together a puzzle (cavs days) that doesnt apply to this situation

You tell me what's better then! Irving or literally nothing. No compensation, just an empty roster spot which doesn't even lead to cap space.

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

TP - I appreciate the effort and have been banging the same drum for months now, but the argument just doesn't resonate with the anti-Kyrie people. They either, A) don't think he is 'real' all-star and is easily replaceable, and/or, B) see him as a cancer and want him off the team asap so the team can be in harmony once again.

They don't seem to care that he is a huge asset that you don't just let go for nothing. As for your last point (because I see it has already been contended), I think if the Cs were to trade Kyrie, it would be because he also would like to be traded, not because Danny went all turncoat on him.

I mean Kyrie leaving for nothing is the price you pay for taking a gamble. Trading for him in general was a gamble, then neglecting to not trade him at the deadline or make any trades for that matter was another gamble. I keep telling people, just because they are a great talent doesn’t mean they are a great fit. Y'all are going to have to accept a loss, you can’t always get something. The Pelicans dealt with it for Boogie, the Cavs dealt with it for Lebron, and the Raptors dealt with it for Bosh. It happens, you are supposed to gamble on superstar talent staying.

Just imagine if Kyrie was never here. As special as he is, his ISO ball just doesn’t fit with a team that likes to move. It’s okay guys, wish him the best on the Nets and MOVE ON.

You make it seem like we don’t have the 1st team all defender surrounded by 2 rising star wings, plus a great big who can protect the paint and shoot the 3... plus we have a lot of drafts picks.

Cmon y’all

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Horford
Baynes

BEAT THE BUCKS, 76ers, and took Lebron to game 7. Are future is a lot brighter than y’all are implying.

All of those teams were alot different last season.

And team last year with Kyrie had a better record than team with kyrie this year.

And the Celtics will be a lot different to. I wonder what our record was when Kyrie was off the court.... look James Harden and Chris Paul are both phenomenal talents, but it goes to show how just because they are superb talents doesn’t mean they fit. Either you build around James or Paul because the combo isn’t working.

The Celtics either build around the young guys or Kyrie you can’t havw both. If you choose Kyrie you will have far less flexibility. I’ll also admit and EVERY SINGLE CELTICS FAN has to admit that this team was not that exciting to watch. Every game was close, there was way more iso ball (Even from players not names Kyrie) and it was ugly basketball. “To me” that’s not fun basketball to watch.

[nickagneta]

I see people here complaining about Kyrie's Iso ball play not fitting into Stevens' system. Which system is that? Is that the same system that had IT going Iso almost all the time? I mean, what successful pro Brad Stevens system have we watched that didn't have an Iso heavy PG? Obviously none in the last 4 years.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I see people here complaining about Kyrie's Iso ball play not fitting into Stevens' system. Which system is that? Is that the same system that had IT going Iso almost all the time? I mean, what successful pro Brad Stevens system have we watched that didn't have an Iso heavy PG? Obviously none in the last 4 years.

Every time I mention fit, people automatically assume I’m talking about the “Brad System”. I’m saying iso basketball does not fit this ROSTER. ISO Isiah worked for that Celtics roster. Plus the only person who was ISO heavy was Isiah, not Tatum, Morris, and Kyrie.

[Tr1boy]

I see people here complaining about Kyrie's Iso ball play not fitting into Stevens' system. Which system is that? Is that the same system that had IT going Iso almost all the time? I mean, what successful pro Brad Stevens system have we watched that didn't have an Iso heavy PG? Obviously none in the last 4 years.

IT4 iso is different than Irving

At times it was a little excessive sure, but at least he got to the line.  He got opposing players in foul trouble and also made defenses "cave" in the middle, opening space/lanes for his teammates

Also IT4 was quick in his decision making.

[footey]

I don't want Kyrie to leave, but if he does go, I would be quite content following a team that starts Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford, with Williams, Ojele, and a FA PG and a couple of rooks coming off the bench. That would be a fun team to watch. I think they could win 50 plus games, and get to the 2nd round.  Anything else would be a bonus. 

[nickagneta]

I see people here complaining about Kyrie's Iso ball play not fitting into Stevens' system. Which system is that? Is that the same system that had IT going Iso almost all the time? I mean, what successful pro Brad Stevens system have we watched that didn't have an Iso heavy PG? Obviously none in the last 4 years.

Every time I mention fit, people automatically assume I’m talking about the “Brad System”. I’m saying iso basketball does not fit this ROSTER. ISO Isiah worked for that Celtics roster. Plus the only person who was ISO heavy was Isiah, not Tatum, Morris, and Kyrie.

Yet you complain about Kyrie while  praising heavy Iso players, Rozier and Tatum, in your wrongly listed starting 5 from the 2018 playoff run(Smart was hurt at first and only started when Brown was out those few games).

Every team needs a couple players that can go Iso. Defenses can break down even the best system offenses, and when they do, you need that Iso guy stepping up to make that defense honest.

I had very little problem with Kyrie's Iso ways this year except in those 4 games against Milwaukee. Kyrie's Iso ways wasn't even close to being the main reason the team won only 49 games instead of 60-65 that so many were dreaming about. If anything this team doesn't win 49 games with Kyrie's Iso game.

[RMO]

I don't want Kyrie to leave, but if he does go, I would be quite content following a team that starts Hayward, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford, with Williams, Ojele, and a FA PG and a couple of rooks coming off the bench. That would be a fun team to watch. I think they could win 50 plus games, and get to the 2nd round.  Anything else would be a bonus.

My only problem with that is I don't think we have much to spend on a free agent if he does leave.  If he's not on the team long term I'd rather it be from signing him and then trade him at some point.  From what I've read on this site the logistics of a sign and trade seem pretty onerous so I don't really consider that an option.

[jambr380]

I mean Kyrie leaving for nothing is the price you pay for taking a gamble. Trading for him in general was a gamble, then neglecting to not trade him at the deadline or make any trades for that matter was another gamble. I keep telling people, just because they are a great talent doesn’t mean they are a great fit. Y'all are going to have to accept a loss, you can’t always get something. The Pelicans dealt with it for Boogie, the Cavs dealt with it for Lebron, and the Raptors dealt with it for Bosh. It happens, you are supposed to gamble on superstar talent staying.

Just imagine if Kyrie was never here. As special as he is, his ISO ball just doesn’t fit with a team that likes to move. It’s okay guys, wish him the best on the Nets and MOVE ON.

You make it seem like we don’t have the 1st team all defender surrounded by 2 rising star wings, plus a great big who can protect the paint and shoot the 3... plus we have a lot of drafts picks.

Cmon y’all

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Horford
Baynes

BEAT THE BUCKS, 76ers, and took Lebron to game 7. Are future is a lot brighter than y’all are implying.

But it doesn't have to be a gamble. He is here, right now, possibly ready to sign a long-term max contract. I will just post this one more time from gouki:

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

It doesn't matter if you absolutely despise the guy, just get him signed and figure out the rest later. If other blogs are anything like this one, however, and Kyrie is paying any attention, then we should all be prepared to lose our best player for nothing. Awesome 

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I see people here complaining about Kyrie's Iso ball play not fitting into Stevens' system. Which system is that? Is that the same system that had IT going Iso almost all the time? I mean, what successful pro Brad Stevens system have we watched that didn't have an Iso heavy PG? Obviously none in the last 4 years.

Every time I mention fit, people automatically assume I’m talking about the “Brad System”. I’m saying iso basketball does not fit this ROSTER. ISO Isiah worked for that Celtics roster. Plus the only person who was ISO heavy was Isiah, not Tatum, Morris, and Kyrie.

Yet you complain about Kyrie while  praising heavy Iso players, Rozier and Tatum, in your wrongly listed starting 5 from the 2018 playoff run(Smart was hurt at first and only started when Brown was out those few games).

Every team needs a couple players that can go Iso. Defenses can break down even the best system offenses, and when they do, you need that Iso guy stepping up to make that defense honest.

I had very little problem with Kyrie's Iso ways this year except in those 4 games against Milwaukee. Kyrie's Iso ways wasn't even close to being the main reason the team won only 49 games instead of 60-65 that so many were dreaming about. If anything this team doesn't win 49 games with Kyrie's Iso game.

I’m just going to let this go, because 1 thing I have NEVER done in any thread anywhere was praise Tatum, EVER.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I mean Kyrie leaving for nothing is the price you pay for taking a gamble. Trading for him in general was a gamble, then neglecting to not trade him at the deadline or make any trades for that matter was another gamble. I keep telling people, just because they are a great talent doesn’t mean they are a great fit. Y'all are going to have to accept a loss, you can’t always get something. The Pelicans dealt with it for Boogie, the Cavs dealt with it for Lebron, and the Raptors dealt with it for Bosh. It happens, you are supposed to gamble on superstar talent staying.

Just imagine if Kyrie was never here. As special as he is, his ISO ball just doesn’t fit with a team that likes to move. It’s okay guys, wish him the best on the Nets and MOVE ON.

You make it seem like we don’t have the 1st team all defender surrounded by 2 rising star wings, plus a great big who can protect the paint and shoot the 3... plus we have a lot of drafts picks.

Cmon y’all

Rozier
Smart
Tatum
Horford
Baynes

BEAT THE BUCKS, 76ers, and took Lebron to game 7. Are future is a lot brighter than y’all are implying.

But it doesn't have to be a gamble. He is here, right now, possibly ready to sign a long-term max contract. I will just post this one more time from gouki:

The people who want Irving to walk for nothing time and again show that their asset management skills are frankly terrible. Everyone should want us to sign him even if it's so we can trade him later.

It doesn't matter if you absolutely despise the guy, just get him signed and figure out the rest later. If other blogs are anything like this one, however, and Kyrie is paying any attention, then we should all be prepared to lose our best player for nothing. Awesome 

I’m just attempting to look on the bright side of things. All is not loss for wiffing on Kyrie. I get it you want to get “something” rather than nothing, who doesn’t. 

[Monkhouse]

After going through more than half of these posts, I can deduce half of these people are just posting on irrational dislike, and not thinking rationally.. You guys wouldn't last a single day in Ainge's shoes, which is good quite frankly, because operating on blind hate is just foolish. Re-signing Kyrie gives us another star, plus an attractive trade asset...

Isaiah Thomas's playing style wasn't that much different, and don't tell me he moved the ball more, because that isn't true statistically...

He also averaged less assists, but got to the line more. One difference. They were both ball dominant players that used iso heavy.

Stevens system may be built on motion offense, but we barely have half the personnel to even pull that ball swinging motion offense anyways... Our best passer is probably Irving, Smart, Hayward, and then Horford. Who are basically our entire starting five this year, and it wasn't that pretty this year.