The Kyrie Irving free agency thread(to sign 4yr/$141M w/Nets page 105)

[Jiri Welsch]

As I stated on another thread, how anyone can want to keep Irving after what we just witnessed, both on-court and off, not to mention the drama headaches during the regular season and the clash in playing styles, is beyond my comprehension.

I agree. I also don’t get people saying we should re-sign him because letting him walk means we’ve received nothing in return for such a talent.

At a certain point, it becomes a reflection of the organization. Rewarding a guy who acted like a child on and off the court certainly negates almost all of the work Brad has done in building a team culture of professionals.

It sucks that we lost the IT deal. But by God, we need to have some self respect and tell the guy to not let the door hit him on the way out.

[Birdman]

Kyriecis no doubt a great player but the team played better without him..saw it last season when we was one game away from the finals and a second round exit with him..keep same team w/o Kyrie, keep picks, get a legit big guy and we be fine..

[RPGenerate]

I'd rather swing for the fences with AD and Kyrie, then endure mediocrity. We're currently the 4th best team in the East. Letting Kyrie walk for nothing won't get us any closer to the competition. We need star power.

[feckless]

It's not just that Kyrie stunk in the Bucks series but it was just one bad shot after another, one stupid play after another, one shoddy pass after another and one crappy piece of defense after another.  Then the other guys started thinking while maybe I can do it by myself.  Just a ridiculous horror show led by Kyrie Irving.  And I can see no reason to believe that he won't take us to the same place next year.  He has shown me that he is just too selfish to lead and without strong personalities and players with proven results he will remain the selfish leader who blames those around him.  Let him go to LA and take a backseat to Lebron, that's where he belongs.

Listen to Perk!

[drooldaddy]

I wanted Kyrie gone but....
After listening to cooler and wiser minds I’ve decided we have to attempt to resign him.

He is the key to our short term future. He’ll,hopefully,attract Davis. Since the salary cap prohibits us from replacing him with a player of equal monetary value, we must attempt to resign. Even if it’s just to trade him later

[PAOBoston]

The answer isn’t to rid yourself of a talent like Kyrie. He isn’t perfect and has his warts but who are you going to replace his skill level with?? He’s not a 1a type of guy. Okay, we’ve confirmed that. So why not go after a guy who can be a A type of guy and let him settle back into the role we know he was good at (B type)? Getting a legit top 5 talent like Davis would take a pretty big burden off him. Hayward returning to what he was would help as well.

Also, filling out the roster with more veterans who understand their roles that young players trying to make a name for themselves would help also. My guess is Ainge goes that route this summer to fill in those bench spots.

[gouki88]

I wanted Kyrie gone but....
After listening to cooler and wiser minds I’ve decided we have to attempt to resign him.

He is the key to our short term future. He’ll,hopefully,attract Davis. Since the salary cap prohibits us from replacing him with a player of equal monetary value, we must attempt to resign. Even if it’s just to trade him later

Bingo! I don't know why anyone wouldn't want us to try that, because he then turns into a very valuable asset

[RazzelnoDazzel]

 :-XI think I just figured it out... 4 team trade with Kyrie to the Knicks and AD to the Celtics and Jrue Holiday to the Suns and Pels get young+absorb contracts.

Pels do it because they are about to get loaded with draft picks. Getting maybe a combination of 6 draft picks from the Knicks(not Zion pick) Suns, and the Celtics? They will also get the young guys from the Knicks and Suns like Mitchell Robinson, Josh Jackson, and Dennis Smith Jr. to build around plus having the many 1st rounders.

Dennis Smith
Josh Jackson
RJ Barret
Jahil Oakafor
Mitchell Robinson


Knicks do it because they now have Kyrie and enough cap space to be huge players in FA this season.  free agent because they are clearing space and getting Kyrie about 9m under the max. This will be Kyrie’s true dream as he can go home and hand pick his team. A combo of (Tobias Harris, Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, DeMarcus Cousins, Deandre Jordan, Kawhi Leonard) Can all be in play to Join Kyrie.

PG: Kyrie
SG: J.Butler
SF:  Kevin Durant
PF: Zion Williamson
C: Deandre Jordan
Suns do it because they have 2 holes in their roster PG and PF. They can get J.Randal off the Pels and they will now have;

PG: Jrue Holiday
SG: D. Booker
SF: Kelly Obre
PF: J Randal
C: Ayton

Why the Celtics do it? Well they get their guy in AD and didn’t have to sacrifice any of their young core and kept a lot of their draft assets for a future trade down the road. This of course means Terry Rozier is probably staying and if he does he’s starting.

Rozier/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Tatum
AD
Horford

[Tr1boy]

I want to know where the board is on Kyrie.

I think it's a no-brainer for give him the max but I want to take everyone else's temperature.

Yes or no? I added a third option for those who might only want him back if something changes (like AD comes over in a trade or Kyrie decides he'll take a paycut to show his commitment or some other unforeseeable change).

He is not returning

I would be shocked if he does

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Yes -- do not want to lose a talented player for nothing.

Ainge can always trade him later on.

This.

You never let talented players walk away for nothing. He may have had a terrible season. but he's still one of the best players in the league, you don't just let him leave.

[gpap]

Yes -- do not want to lose a talented player for nothing.

Ainge can always trade him later on.

Doesn't make sense to me to re-sign him with the intent of possibly trading him later on. Defeats the purpose of bringing him back in the first place.

If the Celts bring Ky back with the 5 year max and the two sides agree to a mutual opt out after the 3rd year, that's a different story.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Yes -- do not want to lose a talented player for nothing.

Ainge can always trade him later on.

Doesn't make sense to me to re-sign him with the intent of possibly trading him later on. Defeats the purpose of bringing him back in the first place.

If the Celts bring Ky back with the 5 year max and the two sides agree to a mutual opt out after the 3rd year, that's a different story.

The point is to not lose him for nothing. He won't have a no trade clause, so if he still hasn't figured it out, we can trade him, even if it's 50 cents on the dollar, and get something back. There's always going to be interest in a talent like Kyrie Irving.

[Chris22]

Let him leave and become someone else's problem.

[smokeablount]

Max him up.  Then get AD.   I love how the people who say we can’t fire Brad because there’s no one better to hire conveniently ignore that if Kyrie walks, we lose a top 15 player and replace him with... nothing.  Or Rozier, who is worse than nothing at this point.

[ozgod]

Think about this pragmatically. If he wants to re-sign we re-sign him so that we have an asset that can be moved in return for other assets later. Even if we lose on a trade at the deadline next year, we still get something for him. We are over the cap so losing him for nothing doesn't free up any salary for us to sign anyone else. Him walking and us getting nothing back would be the worst case scenario for us. Unless people think we must, must, must win a championship next year and I'm tired of waiting, it makes no sense to let an asset walk for nothing.